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or part of a hug warehouse in the third that's their real beauty
Are Hug Warehouses prevalent in Deadzones? I saw an episode of Adventure Time my kids were watching that had Hug Wolves. Maybe thats what the Plague is all about: zombies wanting hugs
See picture of 1st Plague, arms outstretched, happily offering free hugs to all those who covet them....
or part of a hug warehouse in the third that's their real beauty
Are Hug Warehouses prevalent in Deadzones? I saw an episode of Adventure Time my kids were watching that had Hug Wolves. Maybe thats what the Plague is all about: zombies wanting hugs
See picture of 1st Plague, arms outstretched, happily offering free hugs to all those who covet them....
I'm picturing a warehouse full of nasty, chemical-tasting artificial fruit drinks.
Personally, I'm looking forward to playing Deadzone at the 2'x2' level and expanding to 4'x4' in time. Going to 6'x4' or larger seems like too much for a skirmish game. At that scale, you might as well be playing Warpath or 40K.
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2013/05/09 15:54:22
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Deadzone Kickstarter - coming soon!
Breotan wrote: As interesting as this is, I really wish they'd fullfill outstanding Kickstarter projects before starting new ones.
I'll second that.
I myself never pledged on the zombie section 'cause I don't really find it intelligent throwing money on things that still need be produced in a (long) waiting line...
As interesting as this is, I really wish they'd fullfill outstanding Kickstarter projects before starting new ones.
all of season 2 have shipped apparently and KOW ships in June. there's then two shipments remaining, all of which is sculpted and waiting to come back from the manufacturer. there sculptors and concept artists have finished on those projects so they need to be put to work on something and that's deadzone.
torment kickstarter explained this really well. there previous kickstartered game was with the developers, but they had artists sitting around doing nothing, so they started a second project which makes sense.
2013/05/09 16:37:54
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Deadzone Kickstarter - coming soon!
Breotan wrote: As interesting as this is, I really wish they'd fullfill outstanding Kickstarter projects before starting new ones.
I'll second that.
I myself never pledged on the zombie section 'cause I don't really find it intelligent throwing money on things that still need be produced in a (long) waiting line...
I got my first KoW shipment on time.
I got my first Dreadball shipment on time.
I received my second Dreadball shipment today (on time).
There have been many pictures of the concept art, greens, and now painted versions of the models inthe second KoW shipment, which is due next month.
When people say "I'd like them to concentrate on existing projects", what do they mean exactly? The games designers and concept artists? Should they be chasing suppliers for the components? Or should they in fact be doing their jobs and creating new projects, whilst other people get on with theirs and fulfill existing ones?
I would certainly agree that it makes sense to look at KS project creators and judge whether you feel the project is actually feasible, but ask some of the people (on this thread) who missed out on the Dreadball KS (for example) and ask them if the feel so 'intelligent' now, or if they regret holding off/missing it.
In summary - don't paint every KS project with the same brush, judge them on their own merits. And don't expect a company to sit idly by and not work on new stuff in the meantime, especially if they're continually showing off progress on the first project.
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Amera to provide roads and craters. Antenocities to provide interior detailing. Ruined building Battlezones and Alien Battlezones to follow.
How cool does that sound! I don't know much about Amera, but I do know that Antenociti have produced some awesome terrain in the past, they can only make Deadzone better.
As interesting as this is, I really wish they'd fullfill outstanding Kickstarter projects before starting new ones.
all of season 2 have shipped apparently and KOW ships in June. there's then two shipments remaining, all of which is sculpted and waiting to come back from the manufacturer. there sculptors and concept artists have finished on those projects so they need to be put to work on something and that's deadzone.
torment kickstarter explained this really well. there previous kickstartered game was with the developers, but they had artists sitting around doing nothing, so they started a second project which makes sense.
For me, the 'failure' they are having is in the sculpting department. Because they have to make so many sculpts to fulfill the kickstarter, they are employing unqualified, substandard artists to bang out models. Remy is fantastic, but Remy cannot sculpt all of KOW, all Dreadball and All of Deadzone. As a dreadball backer, I am kinda annoyed Remy has been pulled from Dreadball and put on Deadzone when there are still Dreadball models to sculpt, and sculpt well. And since they lack the track record of having a whole studio of artists equally as skilled as Remy, I feel like once they 'gots our moneyz' they then take their A game to make prototypes for the new KS and leave their second stringers to finish the required sculpts.
Normally, I don't care who is sculpting for other companies because they have a track record of all their sculptors being able to reproduce concept art faithfully. But Mantic has shown they have artists who are unwilling or incapable of sculpting models which match the concept art.
So we are not talking about 'production or shipping' bandwidth, the issue is they have more models needing sculpting than qualified high quality artists and they seem to reserve the good artists for new KS while old KS gets less quality sculpts due to lack of resources.
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For me, the 'failure' they are having is in the sculpting department. Because they have to make so many sculpts to fulfill the kickstarter, they are employing unqualified, substandard artists to bang out models. Remy is fantastic, but Remy cannot sculpt all of KOW, all Dreadball and All of Deadzone. As a dreadball backer, I am kinda annoyed Remy has been pulled from Dreadball and put on Deadzone when there are still Dreadball models to sculpt, and sculpt well. And since they lack the track record of having a whole studio of artists equally as skilled as Remy, I feel like once they 'gots our moneyz' they then take their A game to make prototypes for the new KS and leave their second stringers to finish the required sculpts.
Normally, I don't care who is sculpting for other companies because they have a track record of all their sculptors being able to reproduce concept art faithfully. But Mantic has shown they have artists who are unwilling or incapable of sculpting models which match the concept art.
So we are not talking about 'production or shipping' bandwidth, the issue is they have more models needing sculpting than qualified high quality artists and they seem to reserve the good artists for new KS while old KS gets less quality sculpts due to lack of resources.
Haven't the consensus best sculpts for both the KoW and Dreadball kickstarters been sculpts that have been done after the kickstarter was done? The season 2 and 3 sculpts (which we've seen) for dreadball are the most popular ones, and were only concept art during the actual kickstarter. Likewise, I feel like the real 'hits' for the KoW kickstarter are all more recent sculpts, rather than things we had seen during the kickstarter. I acknowledge that there's sculpts that are weaker, or more stylistically divisive, but you're inventing things with this most recent criticism.
Project Update #28: A word from the Boss PLUS Stretch Goal preview and The Army Painter! Posted by Mantic Games
In today’s update, Ronnie – big boss man here at Mantic Games – hi-jacks the camera from Jake and shows off the new Core Worlds Building Tiles and the Deluxe Gaming Mat…
[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7kS1zaGZ3Q[/url]
Note – we’re sorry for the sound quality on this one - we'll look at getting it boosted!
The video gives a great sense of scale on the buildings (we love the jokes about the size of Ronnie’s head being a unit of measurement in the comments by the way!) and the quality of the gaming mat – it really is a fantastic bit of kit.
As Ronnie mentions, we’ll be working with a number of great partners and we’re pleased to say that we have some fantastic painting and tool kit bundles - including a special Scenery Painting Kit built especially for you guys - from our friends Bo and Jonas at The Army Painter, perfect for painting all of your scenery and models!
IMPORTANT - please note that we can only ship the Army Painter Deadzone Scenery Painting Kit, Army Painter Mega Hobby Set and Army Painter Wargames Hobby Tool Kit to the UK, USA and Europe. Please add $5 for shipping if not adding to a pledge of $100 or up.
… of course, you’ll be needing something to paint. If you haven’t already seen them then check out our great Scenery Add-ons:
(then the terrain pledge levels posted previously)
And finally… Our next stretch goals will be miniatures related… and here’s a sneaky preview!
This brute dwarfs even the Ripper Suits...
There's a new troop type coming for each of the four factions - let's get the landing pad in and get to some miniatures goodness!
Great to see some hobby-related stuff being included from Army Painter (I've always found their stuff to be perfectly serviceable). I'm guessing though the first hobby pack is a misprint at $100 for that amount of stuff?
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Remy is fantastic, but Remy cannot sculpt all of KOW, all Dreadball and All of Deadzone. As a dreadball backer, I am kinda annoyed Remy has been pulled from Dreadball and put on Deadzone
remy only sculpted the 1st gen for deadzone. i also don't understand how what youre saying relates to my post sorry...
also, new marauder concept for upcoming stretch goal
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Welp, in for the Army Painter Mega Hobby Set. I don't have most of those hobby materials since I'm fairly new to it, and I'm actually a fan of Army Painter's paints, so I wouldn't mind having more on my table.
Haven't the consensus best sculpts for both the KoW and Dreadball kickstarters been sculpts that have been done after the kickstarter was done? The season 2 and 3 sculpts (which we've seen) for dreadball are the most popular ones, and were only concept art during the actual kickstarter. Likewise, I feel like the real 'hits' for the KoW kickstarter are all more recent sculpts, rather than things we had seen during the kickstarter. I acknowledge that there's sculpts that are weaker, or more stylistically divisive, but you're inventing things with this most recent criticism.
A lot of the 'misses' for KOW were post KS. The Troll is the newest example of inability to match the concept art.
They are not consistantly putting out sculpts which match the concept art or are are top-notch quality. Some of them are, some of them are not. They seem to have one Artist who is consistant and reliable and anything he makes is looking to be quality. So unless he is sculpting every model they make, they can't keep up with their promises and recreate the concept art.
It seems like they have more sculpts to create than they have artists who can make quality models.
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MODELING FOR ADVANTAGE TEST: rigeld2: "Easy test - are you willing to play the model as a stock one? No? MFA."
OK well, that's just your impression of it Nkelsch. These things are pretty subjective, personally I've really liked most of the 2nd season Dreadball stuff for instance.
Also, any correction yet on that first $100 paint + spray can pledge level?
Pacific wrote: OK well, that's just your impression of it Nkelsch. These things are pretty subjective, personally I've really liked most of the 2nd season Dreadball stuff for instance.
Also, any correction yet on that first $100 paint + spray can pledge level?
I liked a lot of season 2. It was the rest of season 1 special characters who were not sculpted by Remy which failed. And if there is any Season 3 models which fail because Remy wasn't available, I will be disappointed.
KOW has had its share of let downs too. For every Bazuzu there is a troll/cathorse. Remy could have totally sculpted a model in proportions with the troll concept art in both size and armory/details. So when I see a model which could have been done well and wasn't due to lack of top tier sculptors because they are on the new KS, that equates to neglect to me.
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RULE OF COOL: When converting models, there is only one rule: "The better your model looks, the less people will complain about it."
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MODELING FOR ADVANTAGE TEST: rigeld2: "Easy test - are you willing to play the model as a stock one? No? MFA."
I hope the model doesn't end up with the tiny, tiny legs that were just shown over in the Kings of War thread for an equally cool looking mini shown last year. Looks like yesterday was a whopper of a day for the kickstarter... I'm guessing necromunda style terrain was a much anticipated item?
A word from the Boss PLUS Stretch Goal preview and The Army Painter!
Update #28 · May 9, 2013 · 38 comments
In today’s update, Ronnie – big boss man here at Mantic Games – hi-jacks the camera from Jake and shows off the new Core Worlds Building Tiles and the Deluxe Gaming Mat…
Note – we’re sorry for the sound quality on this one - we'll look at getting it boosted!
The video gives a great sense of scale on the buildings (we love the jokes about the size of Ronnie’s head being a unit of measurement in the comments by the way!) and the quality of the gaming mat – it really is a fantastic bit of kit.
As Ronnie mentions, we’ll be working with a number of great partners and we’re pleased to say that we have some fantastic painting and tool kit bundles - including a special Scenery Painting Kit built especially for you guys - from our friends Bo and Jonas at The Army Painter, perfect for painting all of your scenery and models!
IMPORTANT - please note that we can only ship the Army Painter Deadzone Scenery Painting Kit, Army Painter Mega Hobby Set and Army Painter Wargames Hobby Tool Kit to the UK, USA and Europe. Please add $5 for shipping if not adding to a pledge of $100 or up.
… of course, you’ll be needing something to paint. If you haven’t already seen them then check out our great Scenery Add-ons:
Strike Team + Urban Skirmish gives you everything you need to cover a 2'x2' Gaming Board.
Strike Team + Urban Battle gives you everything you need to heavily populate a 2'x2' gaming board or cover a 4'x4' with terrain.
Strike Team + Urban War gives you everything you need to heavily populate a 4'x4' gaming table or cover a 6'x4' with buildings.
Don't forget our fantastic Deluxe Gaming Mat too!
And finally…
Our next stretch goals will be miniatures related… and here’s a sneaky preview!
This brute dwarfs even the Ripper Suits...
There's a new troop type coming for each of the four factions - let's get the landing pad in and get to some miniatures goodness!
decker_cky wrote: I like it except for both head options. The orc head doesn't look great, and the mask seems too similar to enforcer heads (possibly intentional?)
Won't matter. The final sculpt will only vaguely look like the concept art.
decker_cky wrote: I like it except for both head options. The orc head doesn't look great, and the mask seems too similar to enforcer heads (possibly intentional?)
Look at the whole suit. That looks like Enforcer armor fitted for an ogre!!
You're taking such a narrow view of things these days... almost like you are viewing the world through a very small donut...
Hah!
With the Deadzone stuff, I unfortunately have to echo nklech's (sp?) posts on the Ork battle armour guy where it went from a heavy exo-suit to a tight form-fitting bodysuit. Anyway, there's a whole bunch of threads where I'm fairly-to-completely positive.
I might add on an army painter hobby tool kit. I love their file and probably over use that thing since its almost the only one I use these days. Best thing for most Restic mould lines. More Super Glue can't hurt either. Gotta check my modeling stuff to see if I really have a use for the remainder.
That concept picture looks like artwork from a 1980's-early '90's roleplaying game rulebook.
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Earth Dragon wrote: I might add on an army painter hobby tool kit. I love their file and probably over use that thing since its almost the only one I use these days. Best thing for most Restic mould lines. More Super Glue can't hurt either. Gotta check my modeling stuff to see if I really have a use for the remainder.
I don't need either of them, but I might add the paint set and/or the hobby tool kit.
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