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I agree that perhaps a mech/walker is the way to go. Infinity has proven that it can work pretty well (although the use of one is not to be taken lightly in that game!)

Certainly a walker might be too much in a 2x2 game. Maybe a vehicle might be something to think about for a second season, when lots of people have masses of terrain and can start think about 6x4 terrain set-ups and the like?

 Compel wrote:
With the exception of small walkers (EG star wars style AT-PT's), the way I see it, if there's a vehicle on the gamefield, which I'm perfectly happy for there to be, the Vehicle would end up being the reason for the game.

EG, with the Landing Pad battlezone now in the game, an evacuation mission based on a shuttle around the pad (which would be a glorified terrain piece with a couple of guns), would be pretty awesome.

Or, perhaps one team having to escort an APC filled with retrieved tech out of an ambush and off the other side of a board.

And that kind of thing was really the creative options I was pushing for. I'm not looking to make rules for adding vehicles to an army-builder, etc.... for the game... I just like the options it could bring, the aesthetics, etc... I just like giving players the choice.

As you can guess, i'm one of the people who most vocally wanted something resembling a drop-ship, etc... in the Kickstarter. The thing is, I never called for it to be anything more than terrain, an option, etc... Rather than demonize anyone, I just genuinely asked the question as to why a few voices (as few in number as those of us who DID want the option), should be allowed to take an option out of a game, the creator's hands, etc....? Its an option.... for a game.... Its not serious business, or worth arguing about. If anything I felt like I was throwing out this casual, fun, call for prospective neat OPTIONS, and all I got met with was some incredibly rude, angry folks, who don't always extend their courtesy to others, despite acting as if i'd committed a major social faux-pau....

Mind you, many of these same individuals have posted dozens, and dozens of posts demanding that an actor with a cult-of-personality, be turned into an in-game OPTION.... which I have never felt compelled to call out, or deny them.

Eh... I'm just going to throw my arms up, and chalk this up to passionate people on all sides (myself as well), just taking a fun hobby a little too seriously. :-p

Well, for starters a vehicle is too big for a skirmish game, walkers because we are talking about a slow vehicle designed for troops support would fit, but anything else is too fast and too outlandish to fit in a skirmish game.

When you realize that vehicles slam each-other to metal scraps from a few kilometers away you realize why two seem odd to be at pistols range from each-other, when you add up the usual speeds they move its odd to see them in an infantry skirmish game.

the result to cram vehicles in such systems are usually rules that do not fit the vehicles.

Now why not a dropship, while cool and all that and while it could effectively be a terrain piece it is a really big investment for mantic to put it in thei kickstarter, it would help more the kickstarter to have the resources deviated in new battlezones terrain and miniatures, mantic has no practical experience we have seen so far in designing big vehicles and while they may turn out to be really capable of, its not a reason for them to risk it on this kickstarter.

Which actor?

 warboss wrote:
Which actor?

Not sure if serious. :-p


And to the above poster... You're right, and the ONLY reason i'd be ok with a sole stretch-goal being one cool, cosmetic, terrain-only, vehicle, would be as it serves double-duty as terrain-option here, AND because Mantic has flat-out said Warpath Kickstarter is coming, and that they will be doing all kinds of big vehicles, etc... for that system. So its an option here, AND a preview. :-)

 warboss wrote:
Which actor?

No idea

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Which actor?

Not sure if serious. :-p

I was. I learned to stay away from the comments section of kickstarters the hard way after trying to shovel through the slop on the Robotech comments page. Some people have way too much vested interest in minutiae and they're not shy about expressing it by drowning out all other commenters so I tend to only surf comments under individual updates most days.

Alfndrate wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Which actor?

No idea

Thanks. Is it bad that the only thing I recognize him from is voicing the second worst character in the worse set of star wars movies?

 warboss wrote:


Thanks. Is it bad that the only thing I recognize him from is voicing the second worst character in the worse set of star wars movies?

No, because outside of the UK, and the few crazies on Kickstarter, no one in the US knows the guy outside of Flash Gordon. :-p

My favorite role of his is King Richard in Blackadder. He was awesome. Still don't want a mini of him in DeadZone

Can we not recreate the KS comments thread and get back to discussing Deadzone?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Which actor?

Not sure if serious. :-p


And to the above poster... You're right, and the ONLY reason i'd be ok with a sole stretch-goal being one cool, cosmetic, terrain-only, vehicle, would be as it serves double-duty as terrain-option here, AND because Mantic has flat-out said Warpath Kickstarter is coming, and that they will be doing all kinds of big vehicles, etc... for that system. So its an option here, AND a preview. :-)

it would be nice but, what they do with the buildings is clever its terrain that has many reusable parts and with minimal additions (a sprew) can be altered to many things a vehicle would need a bigger investment as its sprews would be unique.

 pretre wrote:
Can we not recreate the KS comments thread and get back to discussing Deadzone?

What's to discuss? I will keep throwing money at this thing until the wife kills me.... That's all I know. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Can we not recreate the KS comments thread and get back to discussing Deadzone?

What's to discuss? I will keep throwing money at this thing until the wife kills me.... That's all I know. :-p

Can I have your stuff when you're dead?

And, yeah, I've caught that homicidal gleam in my wife's eyes ever since I discovered KS.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Well, for starters a vehicle is too big for a skirmish game, walkers because we are talking about a slow vehicle designed for troops support would fit, but anything else is too fast and too outlandish to fit in a skirmish game.

When you realize that vehicles slam each-other to metal scraps from a few kilometers away you realize why two seem odd to be at pistols range from each-other, when you add up the usual speeds they move its odd to see them in an infantry skirmish game.

the result to cram vehicles in such systems are usually rules that do not fit the vehicles.

Now why not a dropship, while cool and all that and while it could effectively be a terrain piece it is a really big investment for mantic to put it in thei kickstarter, it would help more the kickstarter to have the resources deviated in new battlezones terrain and miniatures, mantic has no practical experience we have seen so far in designing big vehicles and while they may turn out to be really capable of, its not a reason for them to risk it on this kickstarter.

Again, mode of movement is silly to use as a discriminator. Ever since armored vehicles existed, they have been used to support infantry, including in current wars. A tank can move as slow as any walker. So can an infantry fighting vehicle or armored car. They can and are used against infantry targets in urban and other close terrain. Why a walker is any different really mystifies me... If a walker would work, why not an MRAP or armored hummer type vehicle? Why not a Bradley or Marder or Scorpion or BMP type? What is the difference between a heavy machinegun mounted on a tripod or powered armor trooper or walker different from one on the top of a wheeled or tracked vehicle?

Cptjake, it ought to act the same, a HMG is a HMG, is a HMG, but can have some ability change imparted with stabilizers, coolers, range finders and laser sighting with computer enhancements so a crew manned tripod may act more the basic HMG, a power suit or walker may have the stabilizers and range finders for the on the move fire, and a larger vehicle might use the coolers to keep the weapon firing longer. Most present day HMGs are air cooled anyway, so only the furture may have some vehicle based coolers for more dice worth of shots fired as opposed to the crew manned tripod based HMG.Once you toss in laser rangefinders/stabilizers/computer enhancements on vehicles or powered armor, well, that may or may not alter things but only slightly.

Vehicles don't seem like they'd be out of place. They might be limited in where they could go (if you want to climb those stairs, you probably are going to need to get out and walk,) but it seems reasonable to have support vehicles. Heck, aircraft like helicopters could even make sense. Planes would be downright silly, but nobody would design a game where you have aircraft 'zooming' around infantry fighting at close range though.

 Lansirill wrote:
Vehicles don't seem like they'd be out of place. They might be limited in where they could go (if you want to climb those stairs, you probably are going to need to get out and walk,) but it seems reasonable to have support vehicles. Heck, aircraft like helicopters could even make sense. Planes would be downright silly, but nobody would design a game where you have aircraft 'zooming' around infantry fighting at close range though.

LOL! I see what you did there!

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 warboss wrote:


Thanks. Is it bad that the only thing I recognize him from is voicing the second worst character in the worse set of star wars movies?

No, because outside of the UK, and the few crazies on Kickstarter, no one in the US knows the guy outside of Flash Gordon. :-p

duke of exeter in henry v!

Any idea when we get to see the Space Dwarfs and Elves for Deadzone? Sadly, terrain isn't doing anything for me at the moment.

 Lansirill wrote:
Vehicles don't seem like they'd be out of place. They might be limited in where they could go (if you want to climb those stairs, you probably are going to need to get out and walk,) but it seems reasonable to have support vehicles. Heck, aircraft like helicopters could even make sense. Planes would be downright silly, but nobody would design a game where you have aircraft 'zooming' around infantry fighting at close range though.

Its funny... I play a LOT of Dust Warfare. For good or ill, its become my favorite game for that scale. It works beautifully, even on a smaller table, with walkers, helicopters, etc... There is definitely a healthy place for vehicles at 4x4 sizes (which, whatever those against wish, IS coming as confirmed by Ronnie Renton). At 2x2... yeah, vehicles are tricky. That isn't to say they couldn't work, but I certainly don't begrudge some in the "against" category for not necessarily even wanting to see if they could work.

But again... 4x4 Deadzone IS coming in this Kickstarter, if people want it or not.... its Mantic's choice, and they see it happening. As such, with infantry walking between one and two "squares" per turn, it almost BEGS for vehicles, lest the game end (under current rules), before some players/units have even had a chance to engage.

New update:

Deadzone KS wrote:
Here’s a little treat for you ahead of tomorrow’s open day… the first of the Reb sculpts have been painted!



Some of the more eagle-eyed amongst you will have noticed some gorgeous resin scenery pieces in the shot above. These are from Antenocitis Workshop and we’ve worked with them to create some fantastic bundles that you can use to detail up your buildings, both with interior and exterior accessories.

From Vid Screens to advertising hoardings to military command decks and crates and barrels, every component is compatible with Deadzone – some have been even been remastered by Antenociti to work with the 3" tile template and we’ve even got our own custom Lockers featuring Enforcer weaponry!

The following bundles are now available for you to add-on to your pledge:








Not only that but we’ve also got a Mega Deal where you can pick any of the two bundles above and get a free Pollution Scrubber or Heat Exchanger!



We're think this stuff is absolutely beautiful and will help make your gaming table seem all the more real. Whether you use the components as objective tokens, cover or simply detail for your buildings, don't miss out on this fantastic opportunity for some truly beautiful terrain.

Love Antenociti's stuff. Will be upping for this for sure.

~Eric

What a day for updates!!! The only thing I don't like about the Grogan is the paint-job

MY GODS. everything looks fantastic, and those rebs are looking just like their concept art.

EDIT:

Mantic please make add-on to get all of the terrain add-ons. like get all terrain detail add ons, heat exchanger, air scrubber and ???as extra for 95-105$?.

Triszin wrote:
MY GODS. everything looks fantastic, and those rebs are looking just like their concept art.

EDIT:

Mantic please make add-on to get all of the terrain add-ons. like get all terrain detail add ons, heat exchanger, air scrubber and ???as extra for 95-105$?.

Not sure what you are asking for. You get everything listed for $130 if you want the entire kit shown in the new update.

lol, i didnt even see that there was a 4th add on. LOL

So question... Does anyone know if these products come (i'd imagine not....) pre-painted? Or, rather if they come with decals?

I'm just guessing that my efforts to paint on adverts, etc... would look abyssmal. :-p

They come with the 'adverts' (not sure if they are decals, printout, etc.) - but other than that, they are not pre-painted.

The first 2 military and medical building sets, while good models etc, feel a bit "Barbies Dream House" to me...

However... The Commercial and Warehouse District sets... That just screams out Illium to me, which would be a perfect Deadzone scene...

Come to think of it, considering the paint schemes I'm going for, I pretty much AM treating Deadzone as Mass Effect: The Wargame.

Incidently, is there an updated Pledge Calculator kicking about?

This looks pretty cool.

Might have to cave in on this one too.

100-150 and a gak load of extras.

Ok, time for someone to breakdown the Antenocitis Workshop deals against their website to see if they are bargains or not. I can't do it now, got to pick my son up from daycare