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 DaveC wrote:
The Rebs look good, but if the Marauders weren't part of Strike Team I wouldn't pay for a single one of them and they went with the dancing Goblin Sniper WTF!, I like 3 out of 4 factions so that's OK the Asterian cyborg is cool and plague Teraton!

Wow... that (the Marauder item) is really disappointing to hear, considering that the Dreadball Orks are amongst my favorite models from the game. :-(


Edit: Oh GOD.... I just found the blog photos... Those Marauders... every single one.... needs to be completely resculpted. They're literally some of the WORST models I have ever seen at this scale.

 DaveC wrote:
The Rebs look good, but if the Marauders weren't part of Strike Team I wouldn't pay for a single one of them and they went with the dancing Goblin Sniper WTF!, I like 3 out of 4 factions so that's OK the Asterian cyborg is cool and plague Teraton!

Agreed. Individual components (guns, armor bits, etc.) look fairly good but the rest, and especially the posing, is dreadful.

It kinda looks like they did both Goblin snipers. The figure behind the dancing queen looks like another sniper.

Do we know who sculpted these? I'm sure I can guess, but I'd like confirmation...

Love the Rebs so far, but the greens don't show their detail that well (so it's hard to make a call about them), and the leader's head looks too big.

~Eric

 DaveC wrote:
and they went with the dancing Goblin Sniper WTF!

They've scuplted both of the concept poses. Unfortunately I couldn't get a good pic as I had to shoot from directly above and I was getting the room's striplight reflection every angle I tried. The second (aiming) one is visible (barely) on this image:

Thanks Riquende I can see him now he actually looks pretty good but 1 mini does not make a force, the Ripper Suits have potential as well depending on the heads and arm poses but the Orx nope I just can't work with them. I guess these will just be consigned to a dusty box forever more. It's pity because I actually really liked the Dreadball Marauder team it was the Veer Myn that ended up in the box there well they are getting some company

Maybe it would be better to have some kind of 'Mantic open day' thread, just so all of the stuff can get chucked in there, rather than mixed sporadically between two or three different threads that are meant to be for something else?

Very disappointed about people's impressions of the Marauders, I was so hopeful about those :(

love the look of the asterian. have they said when that faction will be out yet?

looks like the praetorian from dreadball which is an MVP i picked up

My biggest complaint about the Marauders (aside from the posing) are they heads and hands. Why in the world did they suddenly triple (or more) in size?

~Eric

My god, those models are terrible. The poses are bad, they don't match the previous Maurauder's 'scale' or 'proportions' as if they are a totally different race. They would have been better sticking with the poses in the concept art which look very 'mater of fact' standing pose. Not every model needs to be captured in an extreme dynamic action.

Fail. Fail. Fail. How these can even attempt to be released next to the 3dCAD enforcers (which fixed the leg pose and knee size issues) and the 1st Gen plague is a joke.

Considering how Mantic floods my email box with pictures of models 5 times a week, I am constantly surprised on how little they share their WIPs.

Mantic needs to go all Digital 3D. I feel like Mantic (and other KS) fail on employing artists who can't sculpt and it is much harder to fix a bad sculpt than a 3D Render. It seems like due to the nature of 3D they can solve anatomy issues out of the gate. They have some strong photos of quality 3D to Model... they should stick with that and fire those sculptors who are ruining their games.

 Black Nexus wrote:
love the look of the asterian. have they said when that faction will be out yet?

looks like the praetorian from dreadball which is an MVP i picked up

Stew said the Asterians are "soon". Didn't go more specific than that.

He did confirm, however, the Praetorian is an Asterian cyborg.

The Rebs look incredible, very true to the artwork. The DB mech is also brilliant, glad I ordered two!

I knew I would not want the Marauders so I will probably just chop them up and use all the useful bits (guns, armour etc..) and consign them to a dark box alongside my AoBR Orks!

 DaveC wrote:
The Rebs look good, but if the Marauders weren't part of Strike Team I wouldn't pay for a single one of them and they went with the dancing Goblin Sniper WTF!, I like 3 out of 4 factions so that's OK the Asterian cyborg is cool and plague Teraton!

People were BEGGING for the dancing goblin in the comments. But most Orc players, no matter the game, are normally lvl 2 goobers or higher, so I suspected that.

It be nice if ONE universe didn't insist of the green skins being comic relief, but I don't think that will ever happen.

 Commander Cain wrote:
The Rebs look incredible, very true to the artwork. The DB mech is also brilliant, glad I ordered two!

I knew I would not want the Marauders so I will probably just chop them up and use all the useful bits (guns, armour etc..) and consign them to a dark box alongside my AoBR Orks!

Yes, the DB mech is a strong 3D render. I am excited about that model as well.

It is sad though that we already have the "bid on the KS and plan to throw away models" forming.

 Taarnak wrote:
My biggest complaint about the Marauders (aside from the posing) are they heads and hands. Why in the world did they suddenly triple (or more) in size?

~Eric

Mantic has been on a "heroic scale" thing lately. Some people like it, others don't (I'm one of the latter), but it's the new direction it seems... for certain armies/ sculptors.

If you don't like it, mention it on the KS comments, but the general fact of the matter is that more people do prefer the heroic scaling because it more closely matches what they're used to (GW minis). When people are leaving GW for other games, they want minis that look like the GW ones or they call them "too small" or "weird". Especially with orks, where GW players prefer the comedy style and want Mantic to reflect that in their own sculpts.

I love the Mantic fantasy orcs and think they're the best orcs on the market, but I guess they didn't sell too well, so now they're trying a different direction for greenskins, more in-line with what the market expects.

Just look at the amount of complaints you see about "too skinny" elves, which are in fact perfectly in proportion... that's one reason why Mantic is going more heroic-scale with their sculpting, due to feedback on forums such as these.

And of course, heroic scale means giant heads, giant hands, giant guns, tiny legs/ torso.

I'm not really interested in either the Plague or the Marauders due to this sculpting style.. the Rebs/Enforcers are shaping up nicely though, and I don't think they'd go with the comic-book proportions on the forgefathers and asterians since there isn't really an expectation there for them to be comical or cartoon sci-fi rather than hard sci-fi.

So, that's four races I'll be quite happy to collect. Not interested in Veer-myn either since they're one of the more "cartoon, comedy scif-i" races, which is fine, because some people like that.

It's mainly a case of different armies to appeal to different people, with the sculpting that reflects that. I'm super-happy with the Rebs, Corp/Enforcers and Forgefathers, I'm pretty sure I'll love the Asterians and I already think the Zz'or sculpts for dreadball are awesome so for me that's quite a lot of armies there that do tick the "hard sci-fi, true scale" boxes that I want. I don't mind if there's a few armies like veer-myn, plague and marauders to appeal to the gamer who prefers things to be more OTT and comedic... that style is quite popular with warmachine players and a lot of 40k players.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
My biggest complaint about the Marauders (aside from the posing) are they heads and hands. Why in the world did they suddenly triple (or more) in size?

~Eric

Mantic has been on a "heroic scale" thing lately. Some people like it, others don't (I'm one of the latter), but it's the new direction it seems... for certain armies/ sculptors.

If you don't like it, mention it on the KS comments, but the general fact of the matter is that more people do prefer the heroic scaling because it more closely matches what they're used to (GW minis). When people are leaving GW for other games, they want minis that look like the GW ones or they call them "too small" or "weird". Especially with orks, where GW players prefer the comedy style and want Mantic to reflect that in their own sculpts.

Just look at the amount of complaints you see about "too skinny" elves, which are in fact perfectly in proportion... that's one reason why Mantic is going more heroic-scale with their sculpting, due to feedback on forums such as these.

And of course, heroic scale means giant heads, giant hands, giant guns, tiny legs/ torso.

I'm not really interested in either the Plague or the Marauders due to this sculpting style.. the Rebs/Enforcers are shaping up nicely though, and I don't think they'd go with the comic-book proportions on the forgefathers and asterians.

That is truly a pity.

Posting in the KS comments about anything not related to the Brian Blessed inside joke seems a bit like pissing into the wind...

I will email Stewart though. I know he is a busy guy but I also know he reads and responds to his emails.

"Heroic" style is not necessary for success, as proven by Infinity, and Malifaux, among others. Shame that they decided to go down that road.

I can accept the weirdness of the Plague (except for the head growing out of the chest; that is just lazy sculpting) because they are mutations. I really hate this new direction for the Marauders though.

I really hoped the Marauders would be less like GW comedy relief orks, and more like the Klingons from Star Trek. Aggressive, well trained, and incredibly mean in a fight, but still able to think and use tactics.

Oh well. Guess I'll keep looking for my "Space Ork" fix elsewhere.

~Eric

Edit:
I also noticed their tendency to go with giant heads on their dwarves. Also a pity. And also down to the sculptor's limitations, I think.

 Taarnak wrote:

Do we know who sculpted these? I'm sure I can guess, but I'd like confirmation...

~Eric

"Not Remy" is the only thing I can confirm there... Remy sculpts with Fimo, not green stuff.

The Enforcers are Remy sculpts, hand-sculpted and digitally scanned in to make the 3d models.

Anyway, on a more positive note, how awesome are the Rebs? 100% carbon copies of the concept art, lovely.

I'm currently in the process of converting the video from today's seminar, but one thing I do remember from it is the question of hard plastic Enforcers. Definitely happening in the Warpath KS, but not this one (Ronnie said it would be hard plastic for every faction). If the Deadzone KS goes high enough there might be a hard plastic sprue made for the 'plague zombies' though.

I'd rather the Orcs be delayed over getting some of those models. The only part of the project I dislike at this point.

I really do not like the orx, but I generally do not like the orc of this kind so its no surprise, mantic could have gone the right, in my opinion, way of getting orx military smart and looking as a capable functioning society, instead they went to the comical GW style orc.

Admittedly this has a big crowd that like them, I never was part of that crowd.

The rebels look good and it only makes orx look more bad.

The mech and tentacle beast are both very nice sculpts in there own right.

I kind of like the Orx. But as other have said, they are pretty much carbon copy of orks, so don't see any real use for them. It seems to me that the most interesting mini in deadzone/warpath are the one that are not directly ripped off GW (vermyn, forgefather look terrible imo, and most people seem to hate these orx, while theyr more original stuff is excellenet imo (rebels, plague, teratton, zzor))

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I really do not like the orx, but I generally do not like the orc of this kind so its no surprise, mantic could have gone the right, in my opinion, way of getting orx military smart and looking as a capable functioning society, instead they went to the comical GW style orc.

Admittedly this has a big crowd that like them, I never was part of that crowd.

The rebels look good and it only makes orx look more bad.

90% of Orc players would still play them if they were lug heads yet "military smart" and ruthless. Less comical, but hard to reason with and edgy since their IQ is done 20 Pts on average.

More non-Orc players would also give them a try if they were less silly.

I agree. Missed opportunity, and that lies manly on the lap of the sculptor. Nothing else really portrayed them that way.

The aimed sniper looks great. Flush most of the rest

 Riquende wrote:
I'm currently in the process of converting the video from today's seminar, but one thing I do remember from it is the question of hard plastic Enforcers. Definitely happening in the Warpath KS, but not this one (Ronnie said it would be hard plastic for every faction). If the Deadzone KS goes high enough there might be a hard plastic sprue made for the 'plague zombies' though.

Pity about no "hard plastic" Enforcers here. I would spend very heavily on them, and I know I'm not alone. Plus, tooling them here would allow for more in the Warpath KS.

Not sure I'm into the Plague Zombie idea. They don't really make sense based upon what I know of the Plague so far. i.e.: The further from the source of the infection you are, the less mindless you become.

~Eric

TBH I really, really wanted comical orcs in a sci-fi skirmish game; I'm happy. Though I love the more 'serious' look of the KoW orcs I wouldn't have given those a second glance in DZ.
Hell, I wish they'd have gone all the way with the comical approach, something along the lines of the old confrontation gobbo pirates:

I'm loving the squid. That's exactly what I was hoping it would be. If the rest of the Asterian faction looks like that concept art, I'll happily field them over anything else. It isn't the Five Star Stories styling I was after, but it does look damn good.

About the Orx, I kind of like them. Yeah, they seem a lot more comical now than their concept art did, but I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with them looking more Heroic Scaled. Would I have liked them to be more serious and true scale? Sure, but I'm pleased enough with what I see. Plus, the Rippers are looking great and they're one of the units I'm most interested in getting. They'll be making very nice Obliterators for my Chaos army.

I'm a little surprised nobody has mentioned that Forge Father concept art. He's wearing an exo suit, isn't he? That's cool. It looks like the Deadzone elite Forge Fathers will be like the old GW Squat Terminators. I am okay with this.


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 Taarnak wrote:
Not sure I'm into the Plague Zombie idea. They don't really make sense based upon what I know of the Plague so far. i.e.: The further from the source of the infection you are, the less mindless you become.
~Eric

I don't know. If you figure only a small portion of first/second gens become the big burly guys, what happens to the rest? They just die? Or there's the possibility that those who don't fully merge with the virus just because regular zombies. I could see it working out. And I'd be very happy to have some more space zombies.

 Barzam wrote:

About the Orx, I kind of like them. Yeah, they seem a lot more comical now than their concept art did, but I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with them looking more Heroic Scaled. Would I have liked them to be more serious and true scale? Sure, but I'm pleased enough with what I see.

Reading that, it seems you had no real preference and are happy to just be getting figures. Which is fine.

 Taarnak wrote:
Not sure I'm into the Plague Zombie idea. They don't really make sense based upon what I know of the Plague so far. i.e.: The further from the source of the infection you are, the less mindless you become.
~Eric

I don't know. If you figure only a small portion of first/second gens become the big burly guys, what happens to the rest? They just die? Or there's the possibility that those who don't fully merge with the virus just because regular zombies. I could see it working out. And I'd be very happy to have some more space zombies.

When I look at the Plague Models I don't see zombies. They read alien or mutant to me, not undead.

Kinda like the game and movies of Deadspace?

Wow, those Orx/Marauder greens are just... pledge drop inducing.

Yeah, it's a good thing the rebels are turning out so well. The orx are hideous. I was gonna hold onto the Orx I won at Adepticon to include into the Deadzone/Warpath force but nevermind.

I like the other three factions so far though so at least there is that....

The images on the KS page for the Marauders are so cool - cripes, how could the actual models look so bad? I was going to get a Scout pledge for the Marauder faction (to get the rules), and add the Orcs to that so I have two factions, but now I'm not sure I want to - I would rather use my existing GW models for the Marauders.