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I'm guessing that Cyporiean is just saying some sculptors are more comfortable working on figures mono-pose

(which will allow the most freedom to create the 'perfect' look based on what's in their mind or in the art provided by the client)

while others find it easier to make the compromises to their vision that will allow them to produce figures where you can swap in/out various legs/arms/heads

As an outstandingly talented sculptor Remy (I see no sing of Cyp implying he's not) will be in a position where he can sign a contract where he gets to work more in a way he prefers rather than accepting any work he's offered

(of cource this is only my take on what's been said)

While I think I accidentally hit a nerve, I mean what Orlando said and I think its the same what Ronie said in the video.

Remy does do multi-pose hard plastic, both the KoW men-at-arms and upcoming hard plastic enforcers were sculpted by him, then digitally scanned and finished off by Mantic's 3d sculptor.

As for the "Allowing us to pick Strike Team factions would be impossible for Mantic's logistics" suggestion... well, that's not really accurate, barring some kind of strange pre-arranged agreement with China to pre-pack all the strike team stuff in China. All of the previous Mantic KS's have been packed in the UK.

The Loka Kickstarter had 4 factions in its sweet spot pledge level, and you could pick and choose which ones you wanted, and double-up on them if you wanted.

In this kickstarter, the terrain pledge levels allow you to "pick and mix" any battlezones you want out of a choice of 6-8 ones that they have planned in the long run.

It'd be a little extra work, but not a huge amount (I've spent a good number of months doing pick & pack warehouse work myself, so I do know what's involved), and certainly within the realms of possibility.

In dreadball, it was all supposed to be in a shrink-wrapped box coming from china, but with this, we're not getting any kind of "game box" edition in our pledges at all, it's all a bunch of separate starters.

Even with the new Marauder pictures, I would still rather play this game using my GW Orks as troops combined with the actual Mantic Ripper suit. The ripper suit is all kinds of awesome next to a GW mega-armor Ork. The Kromlech one is cool, too, but I like the clean look of the Ripper suit.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm guessing that Cyporiean is just saying some sculptors are more comfortable working on figures mono-pose

(which will allow the most freedom to create the 'perfect' look based on what's in their mind or in the art provided by the client)

while others find it easier to make the compromises to their vision that will allow them to produce figures where you can swap in/out various legs/arms/heads

As an outstandingly talented sculptor Remy (I see no sing of Cyp implying he's not) will be in a position where he can sign a contract where he gets to work more in a way he prefers rather than accepting any work he's offered

(of cource this is only my take on what's been said)

Yeah, basically this.

Every sculptor has their strengths and weaknesses, and its better to assign tasks based on that. From my talking with Ronnie it seemed like there was a lot of needing to go back to Remy with corrections when trying to get him to do multi-option kits, and less when having him do mono-pose/low bits kits.

overtyrant wrote:

From what was said at the open day was that Remy does not really do multipart plastic kits due to how he sculpts. But then they don't really look like plastic kits.

That is just silly. Seriously. I hope that's not true.

Cyporean wrote:
From my talking with Ronnie, it seemed more like Remy didn't "get" multi-part-multi-option kits, and that it just works out better to have him sculpt limited bits kits.

After several years of working with sculptors, I can understand that thinking.

That's even worse.


~Eric

Classy, really classy. I will drop this since its not my beef but bloody hell if its not poor form to dump this kind of info to third parties and then they drop it on a forum...

Let me just say that Remy is the best thing that happened to mantic because most that is not done by him is errr average at best.

Remy did bring one thing that was missing in mantic and that is quality! To blame him for being not competent at multipart, specially looking at those enforcers etc, got to be a joke!

Ronnie even mentions it in the video on the previous page here skip to 38 minutes to hear for yourself. Remy is one of my favourite sculptors he does some truly great work if it wasn't for him I wouldn't have gone near Mantic.

Wow, those Orxs are...disappointing, to say the least. The rest of the line is looking pretty good, so I really can't understand how those Orxs managed to pass muster with Mantic.

~Tim?

 DaveC wrote:
Ronnie even mentions it in the video on the previous page here skip to 38 minutes to hear for yourself. Remy is one of my favourite sculptors he does some truly great work if it wasn't for him I wouldn't have gone near Mantic.

Yeah Ronnie really talks to much... not professional and total lack of courtesy towards his own collaborators...
Hope Remy does not picks that up since it's not his main language and keeps on going... its a case of mantic needing him more than he needs them.

Poor show Mr Ronnie.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Classy, really classy. I will drop this since its not my beef but bloody hell if its not poor form to dump this kind of info to third parties and then they drop it on a forum...

Let me just say that Remy is the best thing that happened to mantic because most that is not done by him is errr average at best.

Remy did bring one thing that was missing in mantic and that is quality! To blame him for being not competent at multipart, specially looking at those enforcers etc, got to be a joke!

I find it less classy for you to be dropping slightly veiled insults at folks for discussing a company and an artist who are putting things out to the public both for review and sale. Please feel free to PM me if you want to discuss more.

I agree that Remy is the best thing, sculptor-wise, to happen to Mantic. He is supremely talented. No question there. They need an art director, in my opinion (provided they don't have one, that is). Someone who can keep all of the various creative types on the same track. A single, strong vision.

I find it silly because to not have him try to improve at his weaknesses is folly. I don't know that he isn't though, so I will qualify my statements by saying that it is silly if it is true. Also, they may be working to address that by using the digital scan and modify process. Time will tell I guess.

Hope we get some new pictures soon for the existing sculpts. Maybe they will help with people's opinions of the Marauders.

~Eric

Yeah Ronnie really talks to much... not professional and total lack of courtesy towards his own collaborators...
Hope Remy does not picks that up since it's not his main language and keeps on going... its a case of mantic needing him more than he needs them.

Poor show Mr Ronnie.

He uses words such as astounding to describe remy's work. not really a lack of courtesy... What he's saying is that mantic use Remy that suits his strengths and that's how we got three or the four starting teams for Dreadball. his sculpts and fantastic but his multipart stuff really does only go together one way like the veer-myn nightcrawlers. why cut the heads off? the guns only go together one way and it blocks the other head. the enforcers waists don't turn because there oval rather than circular. true posibility would have meant they were circular. take a look at the cat lord though or the 1st gen and they are beautiful models because he can make the model he wants.

youre right of course, remy and there other french sculptor who did the vermyn team add some real quality. the rebs were done by the same guy as the guy who did john doe and the nameless so there are other quality sculptors on the line too, some hit and miss guys as well no denying. Remy is fantastic and I think Ronnie is just telling the truth but I think in a professional manner. these seminars are a way to find out behind the scenes information I think its great the company can be so honest.

Remy does do multi-pose hard plastic, both the KoW men-at-arms and upcoming hard plastic enforcers were sculpted by him, then digitally scanned and finished off by Mantic's 3d sculptor.

As for the "Allowing us to pick Strike Team factions would be impossible for Mantic's logistics" suggestion... well, that's not really accurate, barring some kind of strange pre-arranged agreement with China to pre-pack all the strike team stuff in China. All of the previous Mantic KS's have been packed in the UK.

The Loka Kickstarter had 4 factions in its sweet spot pledge level, and you could pick and choose which ones you wanted, and double-up on them if you wanted.

In this kickstarter, the terrain pledge levels allow you to "pick and mix" any battlezones you want out of a choice of 6-8 ones that they have planned in the long run.

It'd be a little extra work, but not a huge amount (I've spent a good number of months doing pick & pack warehouse work myself, so I do know what's involved), and certainly within the realms of possibility.

In dreadball, it was all supposed to be in a shrink-wrapped box coming from china, but with this, we're not getting any kind of "game box" edition in our pledges at all, it's all a bunch of separate starters.

not when it's a core pledge though. can you imagine having to break down and track nearly 2500 order and who wants which combination and make sure that goes to the right person? think of all of the permeatations. absolute nightmare job. lokas fine because its a small print run. also im sure mantic want economies of scale and the cost benefits of doing an efficient job. more time would be needed on the packing line for the changes in setup potentially meaning more days and higher wage bills. did i read that the entire office was down in the warehouse? think of the opportunity cost of those guys not doing there day jobs... trade sales, web sales, marketing, sending orders out to retailers.

i suspect packing will be similar to sedition wars in that you get a core box that will be released to retailers say enforcers and plague and then a separate box with the bonuses from recon and strike team packed into them. that's how i'd do it anyway.

EDIT: also he sculpted 1 static men at arms plus weapons and heads. according to stew this was scanned into a computer and made into five poses with the gaps filled in by the 3d guy.

Em, I find nothing bad in what Ronnie said he praised quite well Remy for his exceptional work in single pose models.

Ok he does not do multipart (actually they should be called multiposed) models, big deal, so much the better in my opinion, multiposed models are a real waste of talent.

@BN: I didn't say it'd be easy, I did say it'd be possible, and that it would be good.

I have personally packed over 200 boxes in a 10-hour shift while doing warehouse work, and that's with all sorts of different stuff going in the boxes. Given a week in the warehouse I'm pretty sure I could handle 1000 backers easy, regardless of whether it's 1 order code or 4 going in each strike team set. Might need to overtime it a bit, but it's not all that difficult as long as you can keep your mind sharp for that long and there's highly efficient line management in place.

Another idea: Allow swap-outs, but add a $10 surcharge to anyone who wants to do this. I'd still go for it! Then you'd have a smaller number of packages to deal with swap-outs on and more than adequate compensation for the extra work involved.

I dunno, a bit more of a "can do" attitude would be good to see as far as this goes. Hire more staff if the warehouse is understaffed, taking people out of offices is an inefficient use of their skillsets.

I can see why this would be difficult for a small company like Mantic that doesn't have an aircraft-hangar sized warehouse operation and has to deal with massive spikes in what it has to get shipped during kickstarter shipment months (meaning temp staff who aren't familiar with the product which leads to higher error rates), but it should be seen as a challenge and a good chance to improve, rather than something to shy away from as "too difficult". Mantic is actually really good at punching above its weight when it gets down to the business end of things, dreadball kickstarter done by any other company would have been several months late with all the manufacturing delays it suffered, but Mantic got it sorted on time, because the staff are totally determined and commited.

I don't it's even so easily dividable.

On his blog, Remy says for example that he sculpted the head for one of the more recent DreadBall MvPs, but not the body (http://remytremblay.sculpture.over-blog.com/article-rico-s-head-mantic-mvp-117235740.html)

I can imagine that things might get similarly mixed for future Warpath starter-sets. Remy does (some) mono-pose specialists and perhaps elements of the multi-part miniatures, perhaps heads or armour-plates, while other guys may do other bits and pieces (weapons? multi-pose limbs).

I kinda doubt that Remy would be totally out of the loop there, just because he doesn't do the whole things start-to-finish all by himself.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Em, I find nothing bad in what Ronnie said he praised quite well Remy for his exceptional work in single pose models.

Ok he does not do multipart (actually they should be called multiposed) models, big deal, so much the better in my opinion, multiposed models are a real waste of talent.

I agree. There is a certain.....static/stale look that accompanies models with interchangeable poses. Some of my favorite GW models of late have been from their boxed sets like the Ellyrian Reavers and the bulk of the Chaos models.

You do gain something by having a model in a fixed position.

 Taarnak wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Classy, really classy. I will drop this since its not my beef but bloody hell if its not poor form to dump this kind of info to third parties and then they drop it on a forum...

Let me just say that Remy is the best thing that happened to mantic because most that is not done by him is errr average at best.

Remy did bring one thing that was missing in mantic and that is quality! To blame him for being not competent at multipart, specially looking at those enforcers etc, got to be a joke!

I find it less classy for you to be dropping slightly veiled insults at folks for discussing a company and an artist who are putting things out to the public both for review and sale. Please feel free to PM me if you want to discuss more.


~Eric

What? Insults at folks? I only commented Ronnie comment ( as unpolite, lack of courtesy, unprofessional, ridiculous etc) and the comment of the user Cyporiean who was cryptic at best when mentioning his wide knowledge of sculptors to back is statement that Remy did not "Get" multipart... Which I assume most sculptors he knows don't "GET" it either...

The ridiculous is that a mini Remy does not GET is light years ahead of anything Mantic has put out.


Again its not my beef but alas both are poor form, one towards Remy and the other towards sculptors in general... But hey its all in good faith so you can say whatever you like in a conference right? Wrong.

But move along and keep on slagging the few sculptors that have the patience to still be working in this industry.

Cryptic? I post a lot of cryptic things in Mantic threads and that was hardly cryptic. Just my opinion after talking shop with Ronnie. As for my wide knowledge it comes from hiring them and talking with sculptors nearly daily.

Some are better with doing multipose models, others are better at single part ones, some are dreadful with mechanical elements, and a number are horrible with communication and keeping a deadline.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Cryptic? I post a lot of cryptic things in Mantic threads and that was hardly cryptic. Just my opinion after talking shop with Ronnie. As for my wide knowledge it comes from hiring them and talking with sculptors nearly daily.

Some are better with doing multipose models, others are better at single part ones, some are dreadful with mechanical elements, and a number are horrible with communication and keeping a deadline.

Sounds like artists alright.

 NAVARRO wrote:

What? Insults at folks? I only commented Ronnie comment ( as unpolite, lack of courtesy, unprofessional, ridiculous etc) and the comment of the user Cyporiean who was cryptic at best when mentioning his wide knowledge of sculptors to back is statement that Remy did not "Get" multipart... Which I assume most sculptors he knows don't "GET" it either...

My bad then. It seemed that you were aiming that at the users here.

 NAVARRO wrote:

The ridiculous is that a mini Remy does not GET is light years ahead of anything Mantic has put out.

Except for the stuff that Remy made, maybe...

 NAVARRO wrote:

Again its not my beef but alas both are poor form, one towards Remy and the other towards sculptors in general... But hey its all in good faith so you can say whatever you like in a conference right? Wrong.

You seem to be taking it a bit personally though.

I agree that perhaps the comments should not have been made at the conference. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

 NAVARRO wrote:

But move along and keep on slagging the few sculptors that have the patience to still be working in this industry.

Anyone who puts themselves or their work out to the public are de facto inviting criticism and comment. It comes with the territory. You appear to have problems with that idea. Which is a shame since you are a sculptor, and you are likely to be on the receiving end of it.

~Eric

I can't say I'm a fan of the ugly turn this thread has taken in terms of the sculptor discussion.

I'll try and get things back on track by mentioning that the Dreadball backer total has been beaten, which means we're now getting an extra scenario written based around rescuing a dreadball MVP from a deadzone.

Sounds fun!

Also in the latest update comments they mention that there will be a special figure to represent the Dreadball MVP - hope it's a new or at least alternate/modified sculpt.

Dreadzone models are bigger than dreadball right?

Ok last comment here don what to derail into offtopic but these need a reply.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Cryptic? I post a lot of cryptic things in Mantic threads and that was hardly cryptic. Just my opinion after talking shop with Ronnie. As for my wide knowledge it comes from hiring them and talking with sculptors nearly daily.

Some are better with doing multipose models, others are better at single part ones, some are dreadful with mechanical elements, and a number are horrible with communication and keeping a deadline.

Ah ok so it was a clear sculptors "dont get it" or "suck at X"...type of comment, nice one. For a moment I thought it was just me reading silly jabs incorrectly.


@ Taarnak "Anyone who puts themselves or their work out to the public are de facto inviting criticism and comment. It comes with the territory. You appear to have problems with that idea. Which is a shame since you are a sculptor, and you are likely to be on the receiving end of it. "

Either that or I did not express correctly or maybe you did not read with attention... maybe both... I have zero problems with anyone approaching me and say my work is cr@p, seriously you have no idea of how much worse I do see my own stuff, its not about me here... The problem I'm addressing here is another different beast... A company CEO commenting publicly the shortcomings of its own collaborators. That it's just errr a big no no. Specially when that collaborator has put Mantic on the map of interesting sculpts.

But I rest my case and no its not personal I just dont see the need to 1) Send some jabs towards a group of professionals on this thread and 2) CEO talking to much and unable to keep certain things under the professional sphere.

Take care and have fun with the KS's.

Can with go back to discussing Deadzone?

yeah, random deviation was random. totally bizarre reaction IMHO. Ronnie praised his best sculptor and he's unprofessional? WTF.

anyway, i'm liking the look of the laser cannon... anyone else think aegis defense post?

No, because I'm trying to cure my case of the 40ks.

I'm going the canon has in game use!!

overtyrant wrote:

Might even have to venture into the comments section to ask if such a swap would be possible...

After being reassured that the BB malarkey stopped after a couple of days I checked myself and found this to be true. So could we please stop this 'argh the comments section is an evil place that we must not venture as we may catch something'. Is getting rather old chaps.

You would be wrong in saying that. The Brian Blessed cult is still in full effect, and think they're smart by not using the name, but CONSTANTLY posting about "the man himself", begging for "hawkman" model, and encouraging the other three nutters to dress like him and over-take Mantic Open-Day.

It is not a terribly fun place to post and hold meaningful discussion if you're outside their weird/sad attempt at a "cool kids club".

Think the variations in terrain are a great idea.. can see mixing and matching being quite popular, and being able to make a particular style of board.