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This is speaking in a 750 point battle, but I'm also curios overall.

Sure, if it's well built and commanded.

Sure horde armies always have an advantage at low pts levels.

Now if he goes all henchmen you might be in trouble as henchman/razorback spam can get kinda nasty at that pts level.

 ansacs wrote:
Sure horde armies always have an advantage at low pts levels.

Now if he goes all henchmen you might be in trouble as henchman/razorback spam can get kinda nasty at that pts level.

Why ?(sorr yI'm new to the game )

Sheer model count. At 750 points, you can have well over 60 boys on the table, whereas he's lucky to have much more than 20. The idea is you have too many bodies for him to physically be able to kill in a 5 or 6 turn game, whilst you can put out so many shots a turn (if you're using shoota boys) that he's gonna be failing some saves.

M49n3m173 wrote:

 ansacs wrote:
Now if he goes all henchmen you might be in trouble as henchman/razorback spam can get kinda nasty at that pts level.

Why ?(sorr yI'm new to the game )

Henchmen (GK Elite choice) can allow him to field a small unit with a Razorback dedicated transport very cheap. Razorbacks can swap their standard weapon for a Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer. Any horde should be worried.

At 750 he's not fielding Purifiers. Bring out the green tide.

Spetulhu wrote:

M49n3m173 wrote:

 ansacs wrote:
Now if he goes all henchmen you might be in trouble as henchman/razorback spam can get kinda nasty at that pts level.

Why ?(sorr yI'm new to the game )

Henchmen (GK Elite choice) can allow him to field a small unit with a Razorback dedicated transport very cheap. Razorbacks can swap their standard weapon for a Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer. Any horde should be worried.

More like Coteaz can make them troops in and they can field S7 assault cannons. So 6*4 BS4 S7 Rending shots a turn with them being able to constantly move out of range is not fun at 750 pts. (on green tide that is 15 wounds a turn which means that without a clever plan your ~84 boyz you bring get gunned down in 5 turns or less and likely never close)

Bring some lootas or speed cult or something. If you have better than 36" range and a wall of boyz then you win. They can chew through you okay but they don't have even a single weapon with greater than 36" range and they cannot chew through the boyz advancing fast enough to get to your 36"+ weapons.

I would say no here as on saturday i played a 750 point game against orks and my army got a 60:1 k/d ratio...due to one model mincing 60 orks in about 10 minutes (my model only died when ghazghull went up to it)

anything could if played properly. this is a poor question to ask. a better one might have been "what would I expect to see from GK at 750 points.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
anything could if played properly. this is a poor question to ask. a better one might have been "what would I expect to see from GK at 750 points.

exactly...

though i'm sure someone could squeeze in purifiers somewhere

otherwise it all depends upon the lists that are brought to battle, one tip do not get nobs anywhere near terminators that are packing a character in there. Your guys are likley to get ID in short order even before they do anything, same for killa kanz. The termi libby combo (with might of titan etc..) packs a right punch especially when they get 2d6 armour pen, i buggered over an ironclad dread with that, those I 6 halberds made one hell of a mess which resulted in many lols around the table

Keep it cheap and cheerful at this points level. GKs are going to be woefully outnumbered unless it's henchman spam. I'd suggest large blobs of shoota boyz (20-30) with a variety of big guns to taste. Kannon and Lobba batteries are amazing. I'd suggest one of the Kannon batteries and two of the Lobba Batteries. They're incredibly cheap for what they do. Your HQ should probably be a KFF Big Mek. Even with the nerf down to a only a 5+ cover it's a hell of a lot better than a 6+ armor save.

Have fun and let the Waaagh roll on.

What gpfunk said. Outnumber, ougun and if necessary outtalk them. Seriously, putting such firepower as to fail enough saves can suffice. Also I wonder how a biker gang would fare (bikerz campin' on my head today).

Meh. Orks get what they deserve against Grey Knights. Prior to Grey Knights, a good Ork army would generally roll over most marines.
Not anymore. It is funny to see a lot of the local Ork players whine and throw fits because their 5th edition armies don't work anymore.

When the Ork codex first came out, it was just as bad as 5th edition Grey Knights. It largely dominated the tournament scene.

I have no pitty for Ork players that complain. I know exactly how to beat you in 6th, with Grey Knights or Chaos Space Marines.

I'm pretty sure Orks can still beat GK if well executed.
Especially now that CC is off a bit worse, you must remember that Grey Knights still die like regular marines. Lootas and just tons of regular shootas should do fine to kill them, at least on a small scale. Once the GK player sees that at this point level he can't kill all your orks with bolters only.

I'm not an Ork player, nor am I a GK player, but if lasguns can do it, I think shootas can too.

NoArmorSave wrote:
Meh. Orks get what they deserve against Grey Knights. Prior to Grey Knights, a good Ork army would generally roll over most marines.
Not anymore. It is funny to see a lot of the local Ork players whine and throw fits because their 5th edition armies don't work anymore.

When the Ork codex first came out, it was just as bad as 5th edition Grey Knights. It largely dominated the tournament scene.

I have no pitty for Ork players that complain. I know exactly how to beat you in 6th, with Grey Knights or Chaos Space Marines.

This post seems a little overly hostile.. I don't think anyone here has sat and whined about not being able to take a marine army, or even say that orks are under powered. Nobody has been doing the things you just described. You are creating adversaries when there are none.

OT: At 750 points, grey knights can bring the standard fare of PAGK or henchmen spam. If he brings henchmen spam with heavy flamers, he can toast your hordes. But, he will be multiplying the range issues that GK have. If he brings PAGK, he will be low in number and you can probably just roll over him, but don't forget that he has stormbolters, which are essentially shootas with a longer range and fired by models with better BS. He is actually able to kite you for a decent amount of time, and even when you corner him, you will still eat overwatch, or even get counter charged. Bring speedy elements to tie him up before hand so your boyz can march in unmolested. Speed will also work well if he brings henchmen spam, so you can just zip along right out of range and then plunge in and wreck the tanks. I'd recommend a pair of small biker units with a klaw nob and the rest in tide.

If the GK are shooting you dead, stay close to cover.

If you can't, check to see if your table has enough cover, something like 25% to 30%, if it doesn't solve this problem.

Would this list work?
KFF mek - 85pts

20 shoota boys - 170 -------> x3
nob with PK, bp
2 big shootas

10 lootas - 150

Total - 745

Maybe in 5th an ork kan wall could roll over marines, not in 6th. Marines of any sort give me one hell of a challenge but GK is the worse. I tend to rely too heavily on my nobbikers to deal with them these days. The stupid challenge rules is the main thing that screwed orks over in 6th as that 3+ armor saves like crazy in melee.

OP:

That list is the typical green-tide of the low points and SHOULD be fine. Somehow i doubt he'd be fielding a Dreadknight at that point level, and if he did swamp the damn thing so you'r PK nobs can take it out without the challenging crap. It'll be all he has at that level thats any real threat.
However since you have 5pts to throw around, slap some 'Eavy Armor or some other random 5pt upgrade on the KFF. I mean, the pts are just wasted and you cant do anything else with it.
And personal pref really since most people say its not good, but i'd split that 10man group into 2 5mans. Reason being, you can put them in two ends of the field giving you a wider range of shots and giving him 2 areas to focus fire at instead of 1. Yes it CAN give you less shots since now youre rolling 2d3 for shots instead of 1d3, but it has the same chance to give you more than you would anyway (i ran a joke game once at 2k where i had 60 lootas, EVERY group rolled 1 on a d3 every turn. Yea i wasnt happy lol)

BRING IN THA GREENTIDE NOAW!

will be hard for GK to win power armour and terminator armour is good but against the weight of dice that orks can pump out it will fail fast 30 boyz with slugga and choopa in hand to hand combat is anything killer even if only 15 mak eit to CC thats a lot of dice 60 I think remember every terminator squad he has you get 30 boyz

throw in a 30 grot squad just to rub salt in the wound its fun to rub it in when the grots kill his space marine squad just makes you laugh.

your list looks ok you just have to make sure your boyz get there

Ignore the troll.

As for beating grey knights, just swamp em in boyz and make em roll keep rolling saves till they die. Make sure you know what you're getting into and don't charge into a unit that's going to kill half your boyz before they can even swing.

For this reason I probably wouldn't even bother with Nobs, I'd just put those points into another loota squad, since those are more likely to help you deal with heavy armor, dreadknights, and razorspam if he goes the henchmen route.

Thats a good point. Nobz dont want to face most GK characters 1on1, and unless you can pull off the "Im out of range you cant challenge me" shenanigans the nob will just stand there.

I have beaten a GK in melee with a nob before, but its unlikely. I forget what model it was (just a random character upgrade nothing special) but he wiffed his attacks and i didnt but dont rely on him wiffing important and likely dice when you arent throwing 100000x more than he is anyway.

You should be able to get 2 7-8 man groups if you shave the nobz off.
EDIT; 7-8man lootas that is

Orks are solid against damn near anything. I've rarely lost to marines with orks using a variety of lists, only reason I think you don't see orks winning more tourny's is the fact that moving a proper green tide list around the board with a time limit is difficult at best lol.

Against GK I've always found that swamping in bodies as has been suggested is the best course of action, and now that fearless doesn't cause you to lose additional boys it just get's easier. That being said the tradeoff of the no longer hidden powerklaw is a pain but sheer numbers of dice rolled usually puts the averages in your favor especially with shoota boys. As for Purifiers.....a couple killa kans or a deff dread usually makes short work of them if you can get it into close combat before they shoot it down, lootas are fantastic for that as they tend to not only deal with razor backs or other heavy support but they tend to be a fire magnet your opponent will try and kill first.

a Spam wave of gretchin will ALWAYS do the trick on pinning Gk's down while your boyz of any flavour will finish them off. GK's are great against Daemons or Eldar....Orks they have difficulty (well more so than Daemons or a high end "Pysker" based army. as has been said and i parrot here, Numbers is Key to victory. after that is unit choices, 750pts is limiting, but if a well thought out list compisition, then the GK's really cannot win in a 5-6 turn game.


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the GK are shooting you dead, stay close to cover.

Gretchin still are moblie cover. this is in fact a favorite tactic of mine. what is a few squads of 43 pts compared with the fact they are mobile cover, are able to capture objectives, cheap point cost. and able to be fielded in large numbers in a small game. a wave of 60 grots and 60 boys should wipe that GK's smirk off his/her face, i am awesome i am a grey knight. Personally i think GK's are shiny smurfs, which are only good for one thing: EATING

NoArmorSave wrote:
Meh. Orks get what they deserve against Grey Knights. Prior to Grey Knights, a good Ork army would generally roll over most marines.
Not anymore. It is funny to see a lot of the local Ork players whine and throw fits because their 5th edition armies don't work anymore.

When the Ork codex first came out, it was just as bad as 5th edition Grey Knights. It largely dominated the tournament scene.

I have no pitty for Ork players that complain. I know exactly how to beat you in 6th, with Grey Knights or Chaos Space Marines.

NoArmorSave wrote:
I love destroying Ork armies. I have found that a lot of the 5th edition Ork players are smug bastards that are now disgruntled their 5th edition armies don't work. Ork players are some of the worst 40K players I have dealt with.

The thing is, Orks were a "hidden" power codex in 5th. They were very powerful if played well. They never got a bad rap, but they should have.

I'm curious, why do you feel the need to be confrontational, negative, and plain outright rude to people. As stated before, you seem to want to insight a fight with someone (Unknown who.. because everyone in this thread has been quite accommodating) by trashing the Ork army and blatantly insulting every player there of... Not only in this thread but in others as well including one where you are the OP. I clicked and tracked your posts for awhile back to see if this was an isolated case, it's not lol, you're the best example of TFG, WAAC, rude, and confrontational player I've seen in a long time. Grow up, you say you have kids, is this the example you want to set for them to treat other people the OP CLEARLY is just asking for a little help or odds against GK....

As to the OP, haven't had much experience with green-skins or Grey Knights, but as other have said the green tide would be a good plan. Just make sure to put in a few fail-safes for armor and the such. All in all you should have a good time win or lose because the match-up will feel like a swarming.

Voidzone you seem to be unaware of what a troll is....

At the very least, this guy has been curbstomped by orks a couple of times

OT: Just shoot the crap out of the Grey Knights with Shoota boyz, lootaz, and big gunz. He'll rue the day he thought orks were an easy win.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Voidzone you seem to be unaware of what a troll is....

At the very least, this guy has been curbstomped by orks a couple of times

OT: Just shoot the crap out of the Grey Knights with Shoota boyz, lootaz, and big gunz. He'll rue the day he thought orks were an easy win.

I know what a troll looks like, I bit purposefully, just thought someone with a family would have a little more sense. I reported him for his abrasive tact and am moving on with life lol. I did notice he was a troll though thank for the warning

There's no need for rudeness and overt aggression here. Please try to be polite when responding to other posters. thanks.

 Voidzone wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Voidzone you seem to be unaware of what a troll is....

At the very least, this guy has been curbstomped by orks a couple of times

OT: Just shoot the crap out of the Grey Knights with Shoota boyz, lootaz, and big gunz. He'll rue the day he thought orks were an easy win.

I know what a troll looks like, I bit purposefully, just thought someone with a family would have a little more sense. I reported him for his abrasive tact and am moving on with life lol. I did notice he was a troll though thank for the warning

Sadly making offspring is way too easy and has nothing to do with politeness or mutual respect. I for one enjoy the talking/bragging "in character" game between players/armies, it makes up for fun conversations as long as you don't take it or yourself too seriously. This is a game after all. But there's always the one who can't live with it, for Gork knows why, and enjoys pestering others. Maybe it's a thing of frustration; I guess they have a huge inferiority complex if they really need to "destroy" other armies which are played by players who are "smug bastards" and "whiners". Sad for themselves. It's them who will wake up every day to find they have to endure another looong day being,,, themselves. These are the sort of players who should right away be forbidden to play in tourneys and clubs. Myself, would play just once against this kind of person. After stompin', or bein' stomped, that's enuff of 'im.

So back on topic it seems a pretty straightforward tactic is to taka vantage of the low points limit and swarm them? Can a shoota horde just average enough shootin' to drop them dead without even getting hth?