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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 15:07:43
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I happened to read in another thread that newer codex's are being designed with a need for allies as GW are leaving obvious weaknesses in new Codex's, while I've no trouble believing this from a business standpoint I haven't really noticed this myself with the newer Codex's (although I'll admit I'm not overly familiar with C: CSM/C: DA). Could you give me some examples to how these Codex's have been designed with a need for allies?
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/03/25 15:08:38
Dark Eldar 2500pts
Carcharodons
Enclaves 750
"We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants" - Games Workshop |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 15:39:12
Subject: Re:New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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I hadn't really noticed that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 15:55:35
Subject: Re:New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Focused Fire Warrior
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I agree, codex's have always have had weaknesses/strengths. However I feel like that gap has been softened by 6th if anything.
The only example I can think of is the DA flyers not being as good as they could have, but a flyers a flyer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 15:58:40
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Confessor Of Sins
WA, USA
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"GW are leaving obvious weaknesses in new Codex's"
Such as?
When you make a claim, it's usually good to back it up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 16:00:35
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Colin747 wrote:I happened to read in another thread that newer codex's are being designed with a need for allies as GW are leaving obvious weaknesses in new Codex's, while I've no trouble believing this from a business standpoint I haven't really noticed this myself with the newer Codex's (although I'll admit I'm not overly familiar with C: CSM/C: DA). Could you give me some examples to how these Codex's have been designed with a need for allies?
They need allies only if someone else brings them, really.
Although, that said, SM and CSM armies all lack long-range ordinance, so they would ally with IG a lot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 16:02:58
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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Codices have always been designed to have obvious weaknesses in mind... These along with the strengths are what make armies unique.
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The Seraphs of Thunder: a homebrew, almost entirely converted successor Deathwing. And also some Orks. And whatever else I have lying around. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 16:12:19
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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forrestfire wrote:Codices have always been designed to have obvious weaknesses in mind... These along with the strengths are what make armies unique.
Unless it's C: SM, in which case you have no weaknesses, but not that many strengths.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 16:20:16
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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curran12 wrote:" GW are leaving obvious weaknesses in new Codex's"
Such as?
When you make a claim, it's usually good to back it up.
I'm not making the claim someone else made it in the dealing with Necrons as Salamanders thread and I was looking to know people's opinion as I didn't agree with his.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/516162.page Post by Eiluj The Farseer
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/03/25 16:48:19
Dark Eldar 2500pts
Carcharodons
Enclaves 750
"We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants" - Games Workshop |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 16:36:03
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Confessor Of Sins
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The WD SoB codex has weaknesses for sure, but you had the same problems if you did a Sisters list with the WH codex. No long-range fire at all except Heavy Bolters and Exorcist tanks, the need to get close enough to use flamers and Rapid Fire and no CC ability for when you inevitably get charged... But admittedly the number of meltas and flamers gives you a decent chance vs any normal army, and St Celestine adds a level of annoyance that even Necrons find hard to match.
I'm also a bit miffed about what 6th edition did for Flyers. SoB have none except a very pricey Imperial Armor model that ofc also requires an IA book - unless you bring SM or IG allies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 16:39:08
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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Considering the fact that CD and CSM had everything they could to separate them at all costs from trying to do tricks with each other. They are doing it poorly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 17:30:15
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:Considering the fact that CD and CSM had everything they could to separate them at all costs from trying to do tricks with each other. They are doing it poorly.
This, although CD + CSM work fairly well as allies. Also, you can't run Deathwing or Ravenwing as scoring units. If anything, GW seems to be softening the abusiveness of the allies rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 17:32:18
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Colin747 wrote:I happened to read in another thread that newer codex's are being designed with a need for allies as GW are leaving obvious weaknesses in new Codex's, while I've no trouble believing this from a business standpoint I haven't really noticed this myself with the newer Codex's (although I'll admit I'm not overly familiar with C: CSM/C: DA). Could you give me some examples to how these Codex's have been designed with a need for allies?
I definitely haven't noticed this. In fact some of the design, as Andilus Greatsword points out, seems to be focused on ensuring that allies aren't too powerful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 17:33:11
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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You don't need allies for any book that's come out in 6th, pretty much everyone has what they need, and their own strengths and weaknesses. Having to pay that troop and HQ tax to bring any allies also keeps it from working in your favor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 18:49:58
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Abhorrent Grotesque Aberration
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Colin747 wrote:I happened to read in another thread that newer codex's are being designed with a need for allies as GW are leaving obvious weaknesses in new Codex's, while I've no trouble believing this from a business standpoint I haven't really noticed this myself with the newer Codex's (although I'll admit I'm not overly familiar with C: CSM/C: DA). Could you give me some examples to how these Codex's have been designed with a need for allies?
Well, I read that you're right and that the new Tau codex isn't going to have any troop choices at all forcing people to ally with IG...
/jk
Um, no. The hard cover codexes produced thus far are proof against it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/25 20:11:14
Subject: New Codex's being designed to need allies?
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Fixture of Dakka
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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