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Stormstalion gunship? Yay or Neh?

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well, it would be nice against your ork plane, but than again, i would really like a mainly land based army with the tac, ad termi squads, and such, but i was also really starting to think more about the ally thing where i would use the dark angels from the dv set, as a small ally force for my sm, on the field. but hen again, the bikes might not be that great, unless i go and get more for them, like the dark angel battleforce with the bikes and stuff. so if i did go with the dv, and used the dark angelsas allies, and stuff, i would like to get the dark angel battleforce so i would at least have more than just 3 bikes, but.......$$$$ is tight.... so i might have to do the splitting of a dv or aobr with you zammerak, but im still looking.........


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 zammerak wrote:
Stormstalion gunship? Yay or Neh?
For Space Marines? Yay, definitely. Now that they are cheaper thanks to Death From the Skies, (like 20 points cheaper), they are better. SKyhammer missiles are the cheapest option, so most people go with those since they are a safe anti-flyer/light vehicle option. Lascannons are a close second, though whether or not you want them is more or less up to you. The Stormtalon is BS5 against ground targets, so having a TL LC isn't huge if you're using it against terminators, though it does almost guarantee a hit, which is never bad.
   
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 zammerak wrote:
Stormstalion gunship? Yay or Neh?


Stormstalion? Neigh. (Sorry, couldn't help myself)

Stormtalons are quite nice though. Cheap enough that they don't eat up a huge chunk of your list, but good enough to get the job done. Stormravens are more expensive but tougher and with more guns. Probably worth it though.

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Just curious on if i should get the dark angels battleforce if i am going to use the dark angels from the dv set, which has 3 bikes, but i have been hearing that i would need more than just 3 bikes to go against orks, so, i figured that the dark angels battleforce would or could help with that aspect,any ideas on how i could formulate the bike ideas would be great, i gotta go!

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 orkkiller21 wrote:
Just curious on if i should get the dark angels battleforce if i am going to use the dark angels from the dv set, which has 3 bikes, but i have been hearing that i would need more than just 3 bikes to go against orks, so, i figured that the dark angels battleforce would or could help with that aspect,any ideas on how i could formulate the bike ideas would be great, i gotta go!
If you put teleport homers on the bikes, you can roll the bikes in close and deep strike Terminators in there without fear of scatter. Attack bikes also come in units of 1-3, so you can make a bike-melta squad, or you can make a full bike unit with an attack bike, or whatever you want.
   
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He needs to drop vanilla SM if he's trying to get into CC. Or... he needs some Space Wolf battle brothers to ally up. Wolves can go toe to toe with orks easy. They are all about close combat death and glory. I say wolves, because grey hunters are 15 pts a piece and you only need 5 for a squad. They have bolters, pistols and CCW so they can choose to fire pistols before charging, and still get +1A for double CCW. They can take a flamer for free but it replaces the bolter not the pistol or CCW so they too can get +1A. Orks are all about charging. Wolves get Counter attack... Any other battle-brother units are going to cost you on the points. You can get a cheap 70 point HQ wolf guard battle leader and (deck him out for extra points if you want) and a full squad of 10 Grey hunters with 2 flamers for 220 pts. I would also suggest he take a pyromancy librarian if possible. They rock on orks.

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They are all about close combat death and glory.

Yeah...no. SW are just as based around shooting as C:SM. They have the ability to change up the tactics depending on the opponent, allowing the shooting TAC list to comfortably kick Tau or IG ass in CC. They're certainly not a dedicated CC army though, and trying to make them such isn't playing to their strengths. If you want dedicated CC, go with BT - look how good they are.

You can get a cheap HQ wolf guard battle leader and deck him out for extra points if you want.

Bad advice; the WGBL is terrible for 70pts. For 30pts more you can get a divination psycher with a force weapon str:user ap:3 wounding demons on 2+, whilst also 50% chance to nullify all psychic powers cast within 24" of the Rune Priest.


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Bad advice; the WGBL is terrible for 70pts. For 30pts more you can get a divination psycher with a force weapon str:user ap:3 wounding demons on 2+, whilst also 50% chance to nullify all psychic powers cast within 24" of the Rune Priest.


Your right on that, I actually never run a WGBL in my SW army, but I was trying to save him 30 pts lol. A rune priest is my favorite HQ with Divination powers. My 2nd HQ is usually a regular Rune priest because they get some great powers as well. I still stick by using GH's though because they can take MotW. D6+1 attacks with rending for 15 pts. Plus they have can take a power fist without a character (No fear of challenges). With a Div Rune Priest in the unit, take the Primaris and re-roll all misses. Deadly unit right there.

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nitrox314 wrote:
He needs to drop vanilla SM if he's trying to get into CC. Or... he needs some Space Wolf battle brothers to ally up. Wolves can go toe to toe with orks easy. They are all about close combat death and glory. I say wolves, because grey hunters are 15 pts a piece and you only need 5 for a squad. They have bolters, pistols and CCW so they can choose to fire pistols before charging, and still get +1A for double CCW. They can take a flamer for free but it replaces the bolter not the pistol or CCW so they too can get +1A. Orks are all about charging. Wolves get Counter attack... Any other battle-brother units are going to cost you on the points. You can get a cheap 70 point HQ wolf guard battle leader and (deck him out for extra points if you want) and a full squad of 10 Grey hunters with 2 flamers for 220 pts. I would also suggest he take a pyromancy librarian if possible. They rock on orks.


We do have a SW player in our group and he does hold his own against my orks. His wolves are quick and have quite a few attacks in CC. I like the idea of SW (and by like i dont like because my orks will die :p ) We are spitballing a list together not just against orks but overall with many armys.

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yes, i agree, his wolves are VERY quick, but maybe they would be a good ally....hmmmm......not sure yet....but maybe they would be better to use as an ally than dark angels? just make it OP, with the grey hunters, and termi's, etc? still thinking....any houghts? or answers on if dark angels would be better than space wolves, or vice-versa?

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Looking at the stormstallion it looks solid with the autocannon and heavy bolters. With that much firepower coming into my boyz it could thin them out. If anyone has any experience with one please let us know.

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As grubnob already stated, assault termi with TH/SS will be difficult for any army to deal with.

Although I play CSM, I would take vindicator and 1 or 2 squads of tac with 2 flamers. Or put flamers on your assault marines.
   
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 orkkiller21 wrote:
yes, i agree, his wolves are VERY quick, but maybe they would be a good ally....hmmmm......not sure yet....but maybe they would be better to use as an ally than dark angels? just make it OP, with the grey hunters, and termi's, etc? still thinking....any houghts? or answers on if dark angels would be better than space wolves, or vice-versa?
Allies? You could use SW as allies, if only for their Grey Hunter squads. Or sqaud. If you want to ally something in, you need to find an ally that has something you want in every slot, not just more troops or a single unit, unless it's a squadron or something. I am definitely going to ally Tau with my Space marines, if only because the Riptide model is so cool.
   
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He is taking things with low amounts of shots.

All he needs to do really is add in a couple of predators and a vindicator, or better a couple of vindicators and a predator and those orks will struggle big time.

I know because these things kick my arse and I'm an ork player. Vindicators are cheap and they can destroy just about anything orks can field.

The one units that seem to work for the orks when fighting space marines are deffkoptas and boss+nob biker squads. They have cover saves, multiple wounds and just aren't easy to insta-kill.

I've never tried spamming 5 trucks but I'm guessing it would work pretty well even despite this being 6th and the choppa boys not being as good.

   
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I really like assult marines while facing other marine army's but against hordes they are crap they just can't dish out enough attacks in cc

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alex2781 wrote:
I really like assult marines while facing other marine army's but against hordes they are crap they just can't dish out enough attacks in cc


This is true

One thing I thought of and was mentioned was to use his drop pod with flamers to get in close fast.

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Yeah I really like dropping ironclad dreadnaughts from drop pods as they get into cc really fast and do what they are ment to do

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Oh.....well.....i dont have a drop pod.....but i will have to maybe check on that vindicator idea, which sounds intriguing, but also, i have been told by our fellow sw player that i shouldnt get more of what i already have, but i actually need some more troops, so idk why hes trying to give advice like that to me, but otherwise, maybe just another tac squad, or squad of something actually helpful might be good, and the thunderfire cannon is almost finished! so that will also contribute to my feud with the orks.

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From what I have been reading more feet on the ground will help with the horde problem. we will have to play soon to try out the new tactics and see what happens. Another thing i have been reading is to issue a challenge against my PK nobs to get them out early. If you have more shooty potential (heavy bolters, and the such) as well as flamers you should be able to deal with the ork horde better. I would recommend a drop pod, get your flamers up close and try to take out a large number of my boys before the charge.

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i was recently chatting with a GW employee (over the phone), and he said i have enough feet on the ground with the squads, etc, but he recommendedsome other stuff, maybe even another thunderfire cannon? or a vindicator would be good from what he said, but just some more BOOM, would be nice, so maybe that vindicator.....


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if i DID go with a 2nd thunderfire cannon, i would make sure its the citadel finecast version, so i dont have to grind away at metal parts, and annoying edges, and pokey parts that stayed on after the casting of the metal parts, that one time was bad enough, i couldnt even feel my fingertips i had so much glue covering them, along with, 2 other types of glue and a bit of blood, from pricking my finger on a big pokey thing i hadnt yet filed down before glueing it together

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Swap scouts and assault marines for tactical squads with rhinos or drop pods. Not to mention tactics... Space marines should not spread out while facing hordes
   
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ty,ty, i have learned the spreading out lesson too many times,lol, btw, NICE avatar foxtrotabw! the blue cat and popcorn is cool!

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 orkkiller21 wrote:
hey.........i am the space marine guy......that zammerak is talking about, i have read, your comments etc, and yes, lately i have really been playing more MAGIC than i should have been doing 40k stuff, and my plan now, is well, from reading all your good/bad/bashing comments, i have a plan to maybe put a pause on the necrons, and buy another assault on black reach set just for the marine stuff, and maybe sell zammerak the ork stuff? idk if he wants it, but i'll ask, and YES, andilus....I DO HAVE A THUNDERFIRE CANNON! its just under construction, its the metal model, and like i said before, lately, i have been doing more magic than 40k , and have not been doing much modelling, etc., so, hopefully if i remember my password....i will come back and return to see all your comments, btw, thanks for the info, etc, well, the stuff that was actually helpful. if you want a full army list, please ask later, since zammerak DID, miss a few things, but thats ok, i will put up a full list at some point.


Hey, space marine guy, I think adding a Vindicator would definitely help you. It's got limited range, but the Str 10 template can do some damage to a horde, or even a Trukk full of nasty Greenskins. Might be better to invest in a couple of tanks or a Flyer than to buy the Black Reach set again.

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Also I you still have ur assult marines you could use them as vanguard vets I don't really know how they work because I don't use them but I know they are good against other sm or csm

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Well, im going with a Vindicator, and maybe another once i get some more $$$, which is hopefully soon

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