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For the purposes of this thread, let's just assume that you can use FW units from the Imperial Armour books in games of 40k.

Assuming that, do you think that lists from that book should be used in 40k games?

In general, no - they're only balanced against each other.

The two allowances I would make, however, are for themed games (Legions vs Xenos) and the Ordo Reductor units.

The AdMech stuff in there is only "balanced" for HH games, too. And you'd need some HH-version of xenos rules for the same reason.

You can play HH armies vs 40k armies, but you're not supposed to. If a couple friends wanted to then fine, but if I ran into a random who was just playing people using his World Eaters army featuring Angron, then I'm not sure I'd be entirely supportive of that. I'd probably still fight him though, just so I can kill Angron.

The units seem way overcosted compared to 40k. Legio Astartes would get slaughtered.

No. FW have clearly stated that the Heresy stuff is its own separate game and not part of standard 40k. The two are compatible, but you'll need to agree with your your opponent to play a special house-ruled game and make up an appropriate list of lords of war options for the 40k army (or house rule that the Heresy player can't take theirs).

It is own game, like apocalypse and cities of death, now will I play 30k vs 40k, sure, I want to play orks and stuff with my iron warriors, it's perfectly acceptable to do so.

What if any changes would you make either to the ork rules or HH rules to do so?

 Formosa wrote:
It is own game, like apocalypse and cities of death, now will I play 30k vs 40k, sure, I want to play orks and stuff with my iron warriors, it's perfectly acceptable to do so.

That comparison doesn't make sense - Cities of Death, Apocalypse, Planetstrike, etc are not different games. They're scenarios with special rules - even Apocalypse. You also can't, like you said with HH books, play one vs the other. You can't have one person playing Cities of Death while the other plays Planetstrike, even in a friendly game. Both players are either playing one or the other, due to them, again, being scenarios.

Have any of you actually played the list? Either vs 40k or 30k?

Speaking from my experience, and you can find my vids for some of these games on YouTube, they are fine vs 40k forces, being neither overpowered or underpowered. The primarchs are basically over priced greater daemons and the legion lst lacks a great deal of flexibility that SM lists usually have

Wasn't it stated somewhere that they're formulated to be compatible with 40k? That's hearsay though, and I could be totally off.

Regardless, we allow HH in tournaments at my FLGS and we've never had problems with them. We don't allow Lords of War, but everything else in there is fair game.

What type of allies matrix would they have? Could be fun to field the Lion with his 40K chapter.

It would be a lot of fun punching holes in them with some eldar.

 ansacs wrote:
What type of allies matrix would they have? Could be fun to field the Lion with his 40K chapter.

It would be a lot of fun punching holes in them with some eldar.

It has a very in depth 30k Allies matrix but it's really an overview of intrigue in the 30th Millennium rather than hard and fast rules.
As you'd have to house rule/get opponent's permission for most of it anyway, there really isn't anything stopping you from taking the Lion in a friendly game.(well aside from the fact we don't have rules for him as of yet)

Personally I like to think of HH as an extension of 40k rules. I'm creating a Legion of space marines and I want to mix HH rules in. I would let people use HH rules if I vs them.

It's its own game but I would still play against a list in a heartbeat as long as I got an extra ~500pts if he was using a Primarch or Superheavy, to spend on any units. Even outside the FOC allowance.

wierdly enough I'm not that big a fan of the 40k marines but I do love the 30k ones for pure fluff reasons and I'll be happy to play with or against any legion list.

Incidentially my favorite one was Death Guard but I just never got into the whole plague marine side of things. I like them like they used to be. Incidentially I also love the Death Korps, lots of similarities in tactics and mindset between those forces.

 Deadshot wrote:
It's its own game but I would still play against a list in a heartbeat as long as I got an extra ~500pts if he was using a Primarch or Superheavy, to spend on any units. Even outside the FOC allowance.

That's just silly. As long as the 40k list uses the age of darkness force org and gets access to lords of war as per the FAQ there is no need for extra points

I don't think they're meant to be played outside of 30k Marine versus 30k marines.

However, my group will be trying some 30k Marines versus Xenos for Great Crusade action, as well as some 30k Marines on Chaos for some Scouring action. We like themed campaigns and games as much as possible.

I can't wait! What other people do or think about it is as important to me as finding naked pictures of Philis Diller on the interwebs.

 Massaen wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
It's its own game but I would still play against a list in a heartbeat as long as I got an extra ~500pts if he was using a Primarch or Superheavy, to spend on any units. Even outside the FOC allowance.

That's just silly. As long as the 40k list uses the age of darkness force org and gets access to lords of war as per the FAQ there is no need for extra points

Having never the Age of Darkness chart or what units are Lords of War I can't agree or disagree.

I've gone up against World Eaters and Sons of Horus with my eldar and a BA playing friend. We had no lords of war choices and the points were even.
It was great fun, I'd happily recommend it to anyone.
Angron and Horus are powerful, but they are still killable.
For anyone who's not done it - leap at the chance.

Playing against primarchs is fantastic. It really brought something to the game.

Classic political poll.

Answering the title is the opposite of the question.

If you want a realistic answer, this thread should be closed and reopened by someone who isn't biased.

I'm not really biased, the title/poll difference was happenstance. I have change the title to match the poll.

In the middle of its lifetime? How committed to accuracy you are.

Player whatever you want. The 40k rules aren't tight to begin with.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
In the middle of its lifetime? How committed to accuracy you are.

I demand at least a 0.5% margin of error or it's gak!

Also, why so serious?

I agree with the sentiment one player has given me on this... "If you spend 1,000$ with every single detail and thing right on an a HH army, you can play no matter if it's from forgeworld."


I played my Dark Angels against The Sons of Horus on zone mortalis board. I think I only won because he had to many heavy weapons in a game your supposed to move around in.

Also, my DW knights slaughtered a 20 man legion tactical squad + praetorian + Apothecary in combat, they broke and a single Tactical marine swept the entire squad off the board he is in the process of receiving Terminator honors!

The loss of And They Shall Know No Fear is pretty huge.

They really aren't meant to be used together. After playing an opponent with HH marines and tabling him by turn 3 we decided never to try again.
In games now he uses the models for C:SM.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
It is own game, like apocalypse and cities of death, now will I play 30k vs 40k, sure, I want to play orks and stuff with my iron warriors, it's perfectly acceptable to do so.

That comparison doesn't make sense - Cities of Death, Apocalypse, Planetstrike, etc are not different games. They're scenarios with special rules - even Apocalypse. You also can't, like you said with HH books, play one vs the other. You can't have one person playing Cities of Death while the other plays Planetstrike, even in a friendly game. Both players are either playing one or the other, due to them, again, being scenarios.

Of course there different games, try walking up and useing city fight strategems in a 40k game, or assaulting after deep strike, and get laughed off the table, they have a separate set of rules that interact with 40k rules.

Hh is a diferent game too, it has its own set of rules that interact with the 40k ones, case in point the revised allies rules and lords of war foc, neither of these are usable in 40k, but.I still agree that you can play 30k vs 40k it just takes a little extra work before hand.

It's funny reading people complain about balance when they probably never played it.

As long as the FOCs match I do not see a problem. They are marines with slightly different weapons. Not much different from the Necron Codex and everyone as going "Oh their weapons do that now?"

People keep mixing rules out of ignorance. "I would not let him play Angron." Of course you don't. He would not be allowed. Angron needs a minimum of points to be fielded and uses an FOC slot which does not exist in 40K.

If you guys play with the same standard FOC he cannot field Angron or any Apocalypse Super-Heavy. What's left?
Marines, Bikes, Jetpack troops, devastators, dreadnoughts and predators. Nothing you have not really seen before.

I say bring it. It will be a nice change from all the cookie-cutter net lists.