| Author |
Message |
 |
|
|
|
|
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
2013/03/28 14:25:29
Subject: Re:North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Lubeck
|
 AlmightyWalrus wrote: KingCracker wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: KingCracker wrote:Im pretty sure America would say "Awww look at that tiny nuke! Here NK, play with some of our M.O.A.B.s, enjoy *pats head*"
You do realize that a MOAB has a blast yield of around 0.01 kilotons, whereas the North Korean nukes have blast yields of more than 12 kilotons? You're not matching that without another nuclear weapon.
Yes, but we can drop enough MOABs to level their country without the fallout problem. Those are Eco-friendly bombs
Not sure if serious. You don't strategically bomb an entire country with nothing but MOABs. They're not general purpouse bombs, and they're not cheap.
Aye. Each GBU-43/B MOAB costs 14.6 million US$. And "Eco-friendly" might also be a bit...optimistic - I'm not sure what byproducts might be left after the detonation, but the explosive itself - mostly RDX - is supposedly poisonous and carcinogenic. (Yes, other bombs will do that too,but since this is the second biggest conventional bomb in the world, any poisonous after-effects might be more relevant.)
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/03/28 14:27:54
|
|
|
 |
|
2013/03/28 15:41:38
Subject: Re:North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
|
 Witzkatz wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: KingCracker wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: KingCracker wrote:Im pretty sure America would say "Awww look at that tiny nuke! Here NK, play with some of our M.O.A.B.s, enjoy *pats head*"
You do realize that a MOAB has a blast yield of around 0.01 kilotons, whereas the North Korean nukes have blast yields of more than 12 kilotons? You're not matching that without another nuclear weapon.
Yes, but we can drop enough MOABs to level their country without the fallout problem. Those are Eco-friendly bombs
Not sure if serious. You don't strategically bomb an entire country with nothing but MOABs. They're not general purpouse bombs, and they're not cheap.
Aye. Each GBU-43/B MOAB costs 14.6 million US$. And "Eco-friendly" might also be a bit...optimistic - I'm not sure what byproducts might be left after the detonation, but the explosive itself - mostly RDX - is supposedly poisonous and carcinogenic. (Yes, other bombs will do that too,but since this is the second biggest conventional bomb in the world, any poisonous after-effects might be more relevant.)
Only 14 million? pfft, we lob cruise missiles in bunches and they're a million a pop (give or take).
I wonder how many of these we can load up on the B-2 or B-52s?
|
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 15:52:25
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
|
How good is their air defense?
|
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 15:59:04
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
|
From the milblog?... practically non-existent. Think Baghdad... but, over a larger area.
|
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 16:00:20
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Frenzied Berserker Terminator
|
What air defense?
Seriously, do they own many planes at all?
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 16:11:06
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
|
Its not the planes. Its the SAMs.
|
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 16:19:28
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Fate-Controlling Farseer
|
A MOAB is not a very feasable weapon. It has to be delivered by air drop. Yanked out of the back of a C-130/C-17 when you deploy it's chute.
As for AA capabilities. Probably not all that good. Their SAM batteries are probably 30-40 years old. Our Wild Weasel's would probably make short work of them. AMRAAM missiles do wonders in screwing with guidance technology.
|
Full Frontal Nerdity |
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 17:41:23
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Loyal Necron Lychguard
|
 djones520 wrote:A MOAB is not a very feasable weapon. It has to be delivered by air drop. Yanked out of the back of a C-130/C-17 when you deploy it's chute.
As for AA capabilities. Probably not all that good. Their SAM batteries are probably 30-40 years old. Our Wild Weasel's would probably make short work of them. AMRAAM missiles do wonders in screwing with guidance technology.
AMRAAM is a BVR air-to-air missile. It does feth-all to ground-based air defense. AGM-88 HARMS on the other hand...
I say just send in the B-2s with CBU-97s and 103s. In a week or so, they won't have much of an army left.
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/03/28 17:59:46
 11,100 pts,  7,000 pts
++ Heed my words for I am the Herald and we are the footsteps of doom. Interlopers, do we name you. Defilers of our
sacred earth. We have awoken to your primative species and will not tolerate your presence. Ours is the way of logic,
of cold hard reason: your irrationality, your human disease has no place in the necrontyr. Flesh is weak.
Surrender to the machine incarnate. Surrender and die. ++
Tuagh wrote: If you won't use a wrench, it isn't the bolt's fault that your hammer is useless.
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 17:56:32
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
The Last Chancer Who Survived
|
Moabs aren't cheap at all .. here's the one I wanted to buy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 17:56:49
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Fate-Controlling Farseer
|
Good catch. I typo'd my acronyms. HARM missiles are the ones I was referring to.
|
Full Frontal Nerdity |
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 18:26:41
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Loyal Necron Lychguard
|
djones520 wrote:Good catch. I typo'd my acronyms. HARM missiles are the ones I was referring to.
It's all good. I mentioned the 97 above and was thinking of the 105 (precision version of the 97).
|
11,100 pts, 7,000 pts
++ Heed my words for I am the Herald and we are the footsteps of doom. Interlopers, do we name you. Defilers of our
sacred earth. We have awoken to your primative species and will not tolerate your presence. Ours is the way of logic,
of cold hard reason: your irrationality, your human disease has no place in the necrontyr. Flesh is weak.
Surrender to the machine incarnate. Surrender and die. ++
Tuagh wrote: If you won't use a wrench, it isn't the bolt's fault that your hammer is useless.
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 22:32:37
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Bryan Ansell
|
8000 tubes of various caliber
1 million active personnel.
8 million or so reservists.
50 airfields in various states of use Along with underground Shelters for most aircraft.
A couple of thousand APC's.
Plenty of SAM's.
And a populace that could be whipped into a rabid, entrenched defensive state in no time.
A strike should cripple NK's nuclear ambitions but would only harden the regiemes grip on their people. Ditto a strike against sites that could target the US and her allies.
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 22:41:21
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Norn Queen
|
You assume those 9 (1+8) million will fight loyally and take up arms for the Leader.
I have no love for US foreign policy but even less for NKs domestic.
Have you been to NK btw?
A very close friend of mine has, and whilst it isnt objective cannon (wtf is?), his view, is that the general populace dont give a flying about the Regime or "the external enemy".
Simply trying to make a living/education/get fuel and food is much more a concern. Oh! also being able to express your views openly.
Hmmm, kinda like most Western Nations right?
|
|
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/03/28 22:42:23
Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
"Feelin' goods, good enough". |
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 23:28:37
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Hallowed Canoness
|
Not really, just sounds like humans. If we go with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs we could say that most of NK society is focused on the lower tiers. Those of survival.
Apparently the luxury goods black market thrives in North Korea.
|
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 23:43:34
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
Southampton, Hampshire, England, British Isles, Europe, Earth, Sol, Sector 001
|
Or a well executed preemptive tactical strike on the leadership of NK with a tomahawk should to the trick.
Cut off the head and the snake dies with it sort of thing. There is no real need to even invade NK with a huge land army if the indigenous people lack the will (for better or worse) to fight.
Its only the hard core fanatics that could be a problem.
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/28 23:54:25
Subject: Re:North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Norn Queen
|
A single Tomahawk?
Vs who/what/when?
No collateral damage?
Timing/execution/planning?
Intel - got a "Call of Duty Black" ops gut on the ground?
All of that VS letting some desspot rattle on and maybe, just maybe, the Western World allowing aid ( humanitarian aid) into NK and helping the general populace feed/live/educate/grow/learn/mobilise.
If we go with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs we could say that most of NK society is focused on the lower tiers
Yes in a twisted way you are right: and eventually you end up with a populace that isnt scared of some banner on a wall or a rallying call to crush your neighbours.
Look my holier than thou solution isnt perfect, but its a dam sight better than the sabre rattling BS that goes on elsewhere. "ah shure a few tomahawks 'r AC130s 'ill sort 'em chief!" HOORAH!
|
Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
"Feelin' goods, good enough". |
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 01:51:25
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Big Fat Gospel of Menoth
The other side of the internet
|
They have one guy with a crop duster and a pistol.
|
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
RAGE
Be sure to use logic! Avoid fallacies whenever possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies |
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 03:57:30
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Frenzied Berserker Terminator
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 04:03:20
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Hallowed Canoness
|
This is gonna sound selfish, but could they hold off till summer? I'm fine getting called up if we have to go but I'd like to finish my vacation first. Then I'll go wherever the U.S. needs me to, and if that means putting these idiots in the ground and liberating the people of North Korea from one of the last truly insane despots left (Saddam was just a donkey cave, let's be honest) then I'll ruck up.
|
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 04:57:57
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
|
 Frazzled wrote:
Are you going to be the President when tens of thousands of American civilians are killed by a nuke?
Well, if the deaths of ~3000 Americans could do such wonders for Bush IIs approval rating...
|
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. |
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 08:53:59
Subject: Re:North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
|
Movement at NKorea's missile sites: source
source
US Air Force B-2 stealth bomber flies over near Osan US Air Base south of Seoul, South Korea. Photo: AP
Update: A South Korean source says there’s been a sharp increase in personnel and vehicle movement at the North’s mid- and long-range missile sites as tension on the divided peninsula rises.
The revelation, which the Yonhap news agency attributes to an unidentified South Korean military official, came after North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un ordered preparations for strategic rocket strikes on US targets following US stealth bomber training runs over South Korea.
US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel says Washington won’t be cowed by Pyongyang’s bellicose threats and stands ready to respond to any eventuality.
Mr Kim directed his rocket units on standby to strike at the United States and its Pacific bases at an overnight emergency meeting with top army commanders.
Mr Kim says the time has come to settle accounts with the United States, but experts doubt that North Korea has the capability to strike at the US mainland.
Earlier, the United States warned the danger from North Korea was rising and that Washington was ready for "any eventuality" after flying two nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers over ally South Korea.
The US defied North Korean threats of retribution and took the rare step of announcing that the state-of-the-art jets flew from the US for the exercises.
Mr Hagel, dismissing suggestions that the B-2 mission could aggravate tensions, said the US was committed to "unequivocally defend" South Korea as well as Japan.
"We will be prepared – we have to be prepared – to deal with any eventuality," Mr Hagel said at the Pentagon on Thursday. "We must make clear that these provocations by the North are taken by us very seriously and we'll respond to that."
The two B-2s flew 20,800 kilometres from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri and back without stopping after demonstrating a precision strike by dropping ordnance on a target range in South Korea.
In response, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un ordered preparations for rocket strikes on the US mainland and military bases in the Pacific and South Korea.
The order was issued at an overnight emergency meeting with top army commanders.
In the event of any "reckless" US provocation, North Korean forces should "mercilessly strike the US mainland ... military bases in the Pacific, including Hawaii and Guam, and those in South Korea", he was quoted as saying by the official Korean Central News Agency.
The flight came as part of annual drills between the United States and South Korea, which North Korea each year denounces as preparations for war but which have drawn particularly fierce criticism this time.
In recent months North Korea, under its young leader, has launched a long-range rocket, tested a third nuclear bomb and threatened destruction of US bases in the region and attacks on the US mainland.
Mr Kim argued that the stealth bomber flights went beyond a simple demonstration of force and amounted to a US "ultimatum that they will ignite a nuclear war at any cost".
Present at the emergency meeting on Thursday were the head of the Korean People's Army chief of general staff, director of operations and commander of strategic rocket operations.
Despite the furious reaction, Pyongyang has been careful not to allow tensions to affect the Kaesong Industrial Complex, a joint South-North venture that provides the regime crucial with hard currency.
Pyongyang announced on Wednesday that it was severing its military hotline with South Korea, saying it was no longer needed, given that "war may break out any moment".
The severed military hotline had been used on a daily basis to organise movements in and out of the zone, which lies 10 kilometres into North Korea and was set up during a period of reconciliation.
North Korea has cut off the hotline before, most recently in March 2009, but the line was reconnected less than two weeks later.
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/03/29 08:56:26
 lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
 Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 09:44:44
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Fixture of Dakka
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 10:08:08
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Bounding Assault Marine
|
I have faith in our missile defense system
Automatically Appended Next Post:
And when China is telling them to calm down thats a good thing
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/03/29 10:15:53
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 10:23:42
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Fixture of Dakka
|
From the look of this report, if China wants to stop things from getting totaly out of control and all ugly,they'd best put the foot down now.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17513218-north-korea-is-no-paper-tiger-warns-us-official-as-regime-puts-rockets-on-standby?lite
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 11:08:33
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
|
 Mr. Burning wrote:8000 tubes of various caliber
1 million active personnel.
8 million or so reservists.
50 airfields in various states of use Along with underground Shelters for most aircraft.
A couple of thousand APC's.
Plenty of SAM's.
And a populace that could be whipped into a rabid, entrenched defensive state in no time.
A strike should cripple NK's nuclear ambitions but would only harden the regiemes grip on their people. Ditto a strike against sites that could target the US and her allies.
One additional benefit of the coming Zombie apocalypse is having the entire country disappear into cave complexes and not be heard of again. You have to thank the zombies for that.
|
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 11:30:27
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Nurgle Veteran Marine with the Flu
|
The pictures looks as though Kim Jong-un is doing some homework. 
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 11:33:03
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
|
In addition to inventing math, Dear Leader got an A in Algebra. Take that running capitalist dogs!
|
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 11:50:09
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Barpharanges
|
Frazzled wrote: Mr. Burning wrote:8000 tubes of various caliber
1 million active personnel.
8 million or so reservists.
50 airfields in various states of use Along with underground Shelters for most aircraft.
A couple of thousand APC's.
Plenty of SAM's.
And a populace that could be whipped into a rabid, entrenched defensive state in no time.
A strike should cripple NK's nuclear ambitions but would only harden the regiemes grip on their people. Ditto a strike against sites that could target the US and her allies.
One additional benefit of the coming Zombie apocalypse is having the entire country disappear into cave complexes and not be heard of again. You have to thank the zombies for that.
Ah the Zombie Survival Guide. where the world is better after the Apocalypse than before.
|
The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy. |
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 12:16:26
Subject: Re:North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
|
We may well be more screwed than I initially thought. After careful study of this picture:  I now think Lil' Kim and the Norks may have knowledge of the dreaded Knife Hand. For more info on how deadly and evil this could be see the article here: http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/04/soldier-dropped-from-wlc-after-terrorizing-fellow-students-with-knife-hands/  Usually only the best warriors master this technique: [MOD EDIT - Pics w/ Expletives in them are a no-go. Thanks - Alpharius] Double Knife Hand!
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/03/29 13:12:10
|
|
|
|
|
2013/03/29 14:02:28
Subject: North Korea "combat posture to hit US"
|
|
Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
|
Agreed that the people there aren't and won't be fanatical about defending the Kim regime.
I think the idea of just picking off Kim and his senior staff is fraught with peril. You really don't know what kind of monster that might unleash, especially given a place as nutty as the DPRK. You might get some general taking over who's genuinely, suicidally, let's-fire-up-the-nukes-and-burn-this-mutha-down crazy instead of Kim-style yoohoo-I'm-a-madman-rattling-my-toy-saber-now-give-me-some-aid-crazy-like-a-fox.
Whether or not the Kims are the ones in charge, the danger continues to be the possibility of massive civilian casualties in a huge city within spitting distance of the DPRK. This insane situation exists because it's extraordinarily tricky.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
