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Let em go in and get radiated, maybe they'll become zombies and the war will get interesting

This is getting pretty serious. I guess we'll see in due time if anything happens.

Yeah, when they start firing rocks at us with their trebuchets. Their long range missile systems will have us cowering!

As someone with Korean friends, and regular contact with the country though I would make a few comments.

This is all still nonsense. Koreans still aren't worried, but there is one caveat - the US moving military stuff around, giving so much credence to what Kim Jong Un has been saying (nonsense that has been going on for many decades, with exactly the same terminology used), has started to concern people.

Koreans on both sides understand that war would mean the end for both sides. It's hard to convey this mindset to anyone who hasn't lived there and been amongst the culture, but there is a solemn understanding that civil war must never happen again. Everyone ignores the rhetoric from the north, which escalates or declines usually depending on how bad the food/money situation is, and how much the NK government is trying to distract the civilian population.

Chances are all of this is just for a big aid package to be sent their way - but, many in SK (and a lot of the news agencies there are running with this) is the escalation of what the US is doing, not because of the crap that Kim Jong Un has been spouting. They know the North and that there is no way it will attack, but the presence of a big power on the scene, which is seeming to start to develop and itchy trigger finger, is making them more nervous.

 Pacific wrote:
As someone with Korean friends, and regular contact with the country though I would make a few comments.

This is all still nonsense. Koreans still aren't worried, but there is one caveat - the US moving military stuff around, giving so much credence to what Kim Jong Un has been saying (nonsense that has been going on for many decades, with exactly the same terminology used), has started to concern people.

Koreans on both sides understand that war would mean the end for both sides. It's hard to convey this mindset to anyone who hasn't lived there and been amongst the culture, but there is a solemn understanding that civil war must never happen again. Everyone ignores the rhetoric from the north, which escalates or declines usually depending on how bad the food/money situation is, and how much the NK government is trying to distract the civilian population.

Chances are all of this is just for a big aid package to be sent their way - but, many in SK (and a lot of the news agencies there are running with this) is the escalation of what the US is doing, not because of the crap that Kim Jong Un has been spouting. They know the North and that there is no way it will attack, but the presence of a big power on the scene, which is seeming to start to develop and itchy trigger finger, is making them more nervous.

I don't mean to offend you in any way, but that speech instantly reminded me of Neville Chamberlain's statements in 1939.

I'm as anti-american as the next guy in the socialist hell hole of Europe, but when a mentally unstable dictator starts threatening nuclear holocaust and cutting lines of communication with some of their closest historical allies in the region, moving some defensive anti-missile systems to the region doesn't strike me as a "provocation", it strikes me as a sensible defensive measure.

Also this stopped being the same "business as usual" from the NK when they closed down the Kaesong complex denying themselves their only source of hard currency...

 whembly wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
The U.S. could wipe North Korea from the face of the earth in a blaze of nuclear fire from a single Ohio class SSBN's payload,hell all the missiles on one Boomer would be overkill to the point of madness.

I can't help but continue to believe this is posturing. No one is that fething suicidal that they'd intentionally set their nation up to be completely destroyed.

Only if we had the balls to shoot back with nukes in kind. I don't think we do.

Naw... we'd shoot back and then some.

Just remember how we felt when 9/11 happened.

I missed where we nuked Afghanistan.


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 Pacific wrote:
As someone with Korean friends, and regular contact with the country though I would make a few comments.

This is all still nonsense. Koreans still aren't worried, but there is one caveat - the US moving military stuff around, giving so much credence to what Kim Jong Un has been saying (nonsense that has been going on for many decades, with exactly the same terminology used), has started to concern people.

Koreans on both sides understand that war would mean the end for both sides. It's hard to convey this mindset to anyone who hasn't lived there and been amongst the culture, but there is a solemn understanding that civil war must never happen again. Everyone ignores the rhetoric from the north, which escalates or declines usually depending on how bad the food/money situation is, and how much the NK government is trying to distract the civilian population.

Chances are all of this is just for a big aid package to be sent their way - but, many in SK (and a lot of the news agencies there are running with this) is the escalation of what the US is doing, not because of the crap that Kim Jong Un has been spouting. They know the North and that there is no way it will attack, but the presence of a big power on the scene, which is seeming to start to develop and itchy trigger finger, is making them more nervous.

I have no problem getting the hell out of there too.

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea has moved a missile with "considerable range" to its east coast, South Korea's defense minister said Thursday, but he added that there are no signs that Pyongyang is preparing for a full-scale conflict.
The report came hours after North Korea's military warned that it has been authorized to attack the U.S. using "smaller, lighter and diversified" nuclear weapons. It was the North's latest war cry against America in recent weeks. The reference to smaller weapons could be a claim that Pyongyang has improved its nuclear technology. Or a bluff.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130404/DA5ELC3G1.html

 Ketara wrote:
Curiously enough, me and a few other chaps who did War Studies postgrad ran a theoretical strategy session to try and figure out a way for how the North could beat the South.

The best we could come up with was a highly implausible plan involving a lot of tunnels, a fleet of secretly developed submarine troop carriers, and a nuke capable of hitting the States(to keep the US out).

I think the South is probably safe.

Are you sure you didn't do a post grad in Tom Clancy and Dale Brown plots?

PhantomViper wrote:
I don't mean to offend you in any way, but that speech instantly reminded me of Neville Chamberlain's statements in 1939.

I'm as anti-american as the next guy in the socialist hell hole of Europe, but when a mentally unstable dictator starts threatening nuclear holocaust and cutting lines of communication with some of their closest historical allies in the region, moving some defensive anti-missile systems to the region doesn't strike me as a "provocation", it strikes me as a sensible defensive measure.

Also this stopped being the same "business as usual" from the NK when they closed down the Kaesong complex denying themselves their only source of hard currency...

Yeah, I was wondering how he got "The US is provoking poor little Kim Jong Un" from North Korea threatening the United States and South Korea with nuclear weapons.

 Sasori wrote:

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea has moved a missile with "considerable range" to its east coast, South Korea's defense minister said Thursday, but he added that there are no signs that Pyongyang is preparing for a full-scale conflict.
The report came hours after North Korea's military warned that it has been authorized to attack the U.S. using "smaller, lighter and diversified" nuclear weapons. It was the North's latest war cry against America in recent weeks. The reference to smaller weapons could be a claim that Pyongyang has improved its nuclear technology. Or a bluff.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130404/DA5ELC3G1.html

Ru-oh
I am not worried about them attacking us considering how many patriot missiles we have on stand by.

Why the hell are we even in South Korea at this point? Dude its been 60 years. Time to go.

 Frazzled wrote:
Why the hell are we even in South Korea at this point? Dude its been 60 years. Time to go.

Its because of the Armistice, guns may be lowered, but that doesn't mean that the fighting didn't stop, there has been a peace treaty war going on, the south koreans feel safer with the American Soldiers on the border. A lot of people know and feel like that the war could start up at any time. Plus with so many allies in the region, it is good to keep a leash on the country that tried to destroy the entire pacific. (Japan) and also on a very capable and threatening power. (North Korea)

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Why the hell are we even in South Korea at this point? Dude its been 60 years. Time to go.

Its because of the Armistice, guns may be lowered, but that doesn't mean that the fighting didn't stop, there has been a peace treaty war going on, the south koreans feel safer with the American Soldiers on the border. A lot of people know and feel like that the war could start up at any time. Plus with so many allies in the region, it is good to keep a leash on the country that tried to destroy the entire pacific. (Japan) and also on a very capable and threatening power. (North Korea)

We have troops in Japan. We don't need troops in SK. I don't care if they feel safer. If they want to feel safer, make a bigger military. We've done enough for them. Time to move on.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Definitly, if they attempt or succeed in nuking us, even if they just hit SK and catch a bunch of our guys in the blast, I say we glass the place

This pretty much. And if they decide to bunker down and go in for a war of atricion...there are other, more subtle...biological weapons. Like that annoying cockreach running under your fridge...

 Sigvatr wrote:
Like that annoying cockreach running under your fridge...

Or the one threatening South Korea and the US

PhantomViper wrote:
I don't mean to offend you in any way, but that speech instantly reminded me of Neville Chamberlain's statements in 1939.

Now now now, no need to be insulting here, Neville Chamberlain and Appeasement are is still a dirty words here in England

Does anyone know where I can get my hands on one of those big crazy commie Korean army hats like the guys in the background during Wonton's broadcasts wear? I really, REALLY want one. They're awesome and I need one. Willing to pay good money!

 Pacific wrote:
As someone with Korean friends, and regular contact with the country though I would make a few comments.

This is all still nonsense. Koreans still aren't worried, but there is one caveat - the US moving military stuff around, giving so much credence to what Kim Jong Un has been saying (nonsense that has been going on for many decades, with exactly the same terminology used), has started to concern people.

Koreans on both sides understand that war would mean the end for both sides. It's hard to convey this mindset to anyone who hasn't lived there and been amongst the culture, but there is a solemn understanding that civil war must never happen again. Everyone ignores the rhetoric from the north, which escalates or declines usually depending on how bad the food/money situation is, and how much the NK government is trying to distract the civilian population.

Chances are all of this is just for a big aid package to be sent their way - but, many in SK (and a lot of the news agencies there are running with this) is the escalation of what the US is doing, not because of the crap that Kim Jong Un has been spouting. They know the North and that there is no way it will attack, but the presence of a big power on the scene, which is seeming to start to develop and itchy trigger finger, is making them more nervous.

The crew of the Cheonan (PCC-772) knew there was no way the Norks would ever attack.

Damn the US!

 Frazzled wrote:


Only if we had the balls to shoot back with nukes in kind. I don't think we do.

Naw... we'd shoot back and then some.

Just remember how we felt when 9/11 happened.

I missed where we nuked Afghanistan.

I missed where the hijackers used a nuke on us...

Point being... if we get nuked, by rock hard policy we retaliate. Otherwise, what's the point of having nukes? It's basic nuke deterance.

I think I saw on the Discovery Channel or one of the others, we have some kind of military 747 with a laser in it's nose that can just zap a person and make them spontaneously combust from miles away. Can't we just use that on Kim Jr and call it a day? Heck I'll fly it if someone gives me the keys...

 Ribon Fox wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
I don't mean to offend you in any way, but that speech instantly reminded me of Neville Chamberlain's statements in 1939.

Now now now, no need to be insulting here, Neville Chamberlain and Appeasement are is still a dirty words here in England

It's a dirty word in any of the Allied nations as far as I know.

 whembly wrote:
Point being... if we get nuked, by rock hard policy we retaliate. Otherwise, what's the point of having nukes? It's basic nuke deterance.

To obliterate your enemy. There's no requirement that they have to use nukes to do that. Indeed NATO policy was to use tactical nukes on invading USSR troops. You don't think crappy M60s kept them out of Western Europe do you?

 Necros wrote:
I think I saw on the Discovery Channel or one of the others, we have some kind of military 747 with a laser in it's nose that can just zap a person and make them spontaneously combust from miles away. Can't we just use that on Kim Jr and call it a day? Heck I'll fly it if someone gives me the keys...

That laser shoots down missiles. Zapping a person takes a lot more energy, we don't have anything that can really do that. yet...

We may in a few years though.


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 Frazzled wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Point being... if we get nuked, by rock hard policy we retaliate. Otherwise, what's the point of having nukes? It's basic nuke deterance.

To obliterate your enemy. There's no requirement that they have to use nukes to do that. Indeed NATO policy was to use tactical nukes on invading USSR troops. You don't think crappy M60s kept them out of Western Europe do you?

Davy Crocketts, lots of em!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_rifle

Even missiles are something that needs to be hit right at launch.

When initially launched, you have a thin skinned aluminum body most likely under pressure -- especially if liquid fuelled. One pencil hole into the side will cause all sorts of havoc, al la Shuttle Challenger.

If it's just a warhead on the way, things get tougher.

ZF-

Yeah, but its doubtful they have anything capable of reaching that stage. I'd put decent odds on any nuclear missile they do launch having a malfunction on the detonation. Either detonating prematurely in a large bang in the upper atmosphere(or on the launchsite) or simply failing to detonate at all. Still dangerous, but its a good chance of being dangerous to the firer.

Two word reason to not nuke north korea: war brides.

What wut?



If there's a fight, would we see one of these in action?

The North won't go to war as it would be utter suicide.

Sure, they have a bigger army.
Their equipment is older and in worse condition than our fing Sea King's we still try to rescure people with for some damned reason!

The South has much more modern and advanced equipment thanks to the US and other allies, plus 28000 US troops already on the ground, along with roughly 40000+ who can be shipped in should a conflict ensure.
Not to mention the added ships & F22's the US has recently sent into the region.

We wouldn't even need nukes - NK's air power is laughable and regular ordinance can pound the point home that while they'd inflict some casulties, in the end, they'd lose big time in any kind of ground-based campaign.
SK's transportation system is also one of the finest in the world, allowing them to move people & equipment out of harm's way much more effectively than the dinosaur'ian "charging in the opposite direction" transit system the North would be relying on!

I think the main concern is more that the North *might* consider the use of some of their stockpiled chemical weapons... Mustard gas was no fun back in 1914-18. Probably hasn't gotten any healthier since then either.

Experiment 626 wrote:
The North won't go to war as it would be utter suicide.

Sure, they have a bigger army.
Their equipment is older and in worse condition than our fing Sea King's we still try to rescure people with for some damned reason!

The South has much more modern and advanced equipment thanks to the US and other allies, plus 28000 US troops already on the ground, along with roughly 40000+ who can be shipped in should a conflict ensure.
Not to mention the added ships & F22's the US has recently sent into the region.

We wouldn't even need nukes - NK's air power is laughable and regular ordinance can pound the point home that while they'd inflict some casulties, in the end, they'd lose big time in any kind of ground-based campaign.
SK's transportation system is also one of the finest in the world, allowing them to move people & equipment out of harm's way much more effectively than the dinosaur'ian "charging in the opposite direction" transit system the North would be relying on!

I think the main concern is more that the North *might* consider the use of some of their stockpiled chemical weapons... Mustard gas was no fun back in 1914-18. Probably hasn't gotten any healthier since then either.

just because everyone knows that putting a knife in the electrical socket is a tererible idea, doesn't mean some idiot child isn't going to try to determine for themselves whether there is a reason for which he shouldn't put knives into electrical outlets......................... just like some hopped up child trying to prove his superiority to his father's legacy, with an excessive quantity of testosterone and a lack of appreciation of the fact that, yeah, the world isn't going to let itself get taken out one by one, may just happen to decide to try to expand his tiny empire to include more real estate, even if it happens to be irradiated, it will at the very least serve as a nuclear testing ground so he doesn't have to spoil any of his own territory.....

and suddenly all is made clear.