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 Frazzled wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Which is why we should seal the border in kind. Let them wither away and starve.

yep

EDIT: Correct that. I don't want anyone to starve. Time to move beyond the Hunlike blackmail though. We don't have to do anything.

At least Russia and China have the muscle to back up their posturing and so can legitimately make such threats. NKorea's just a little socialist brat.

It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: --
"We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: --
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --

"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!"

- Rudyard Kipling

Ah, Kipling. Gotta love him.

Vikings are still badass.

 Albatross wrote:
Ah, Kipling. Gotta love him.

He's spot on too when you apply that poem to North Korea, they've thrown tantrums before and been paid off in food aid etc. and they keep repeating the same tactic over and over hoping for the same results.

 Necros wrote:
just makes me think of this..

Brilliant

Little Kim just needs a Snickers bar and the problem will be fixed...

Thats quality right there.

Shouldn't we be getting nuked around now?

 Nevelon wrote:
Shouldn't we be getting nuked around now?

The original threat on the 3rd was, I believe, that hostilities would break out in 1-2 days. Then it was by April 10th. So yes, you are correct North Korea's second deadline seems to be passing without incident.

Maybe they can't count

Maybe the wind keeps blowing out the match they're trying to use to light the fuse of the ACME rocket

They have Matches in NK?

Of course they have matches. Matches embody the Socialist Revolutionary principles on which the DPRK was founded. Lighter however are banned, decadent Western devices!

 Nevelon wrote:
Shouldn't we be getting nuked around now?

Agreed I thought NY and Austin were supposed to be radioactive now, and the imperialist armies of the US and South Korea already destroyed. What gives Julio?

Only under control of senior party members.

I think the Snicker's bribe worked.

It's a very slow rocket.

Why not nuke their nukes with nukes... Yo dawg I heard you like nukes... so I put a nuke on your nuke so you can nuke while you nuke.

Korea won't do it plus Kim-Jung Fat doesn't have the balls.

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's a very slow rocket.

Not slow - just Soviet built, meaning it comes with a "Only Good Until You Try To Actually Fire It" expiration date.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's a very slow rocket.

Not slow - just Soviet built, meaning it comes with a "Only Good Until You Try To Actually Fire It" expiration date.

before you go mocking the soviets for their technological inferiority given how poorly consumer products worked, i'd like to remind you that the only one of two times the americans beat the soviets in the space race was to the moon, flybys of other planets, and the first to successfully land on mars. The bane of assured american military conquest is the AK-47 and its thousands of derivatives... Time and again, a MiG could be counted on to outperform american pieces of aeronautical engineering.... This all from a nation who's favorite pastime is remaining sober for all of 5 minutes after waking up, and guzzling "little water" like it's real water.

Yeah, Soviet made stuff usually worked pretty well. Its the tons of cheap knockoffs made in other countries(or made by the Russians for export) that tended to perform poorly.

It never worked pretty and may not have been the best it could have been but it got the job done.

The AK isn't an accurate weapon but it is low maintainance. Superior to the M-16 in many vital ways, at least earlier on. We have learned and begun making improved rifles that combine the best of the M-16 and the AK.

Remeber the AK was designed by a Sarg with real batle field experiance.
He just happen to be Russian.

Om Topic: A freind of mine spend a year on the DMZ and he is mor worried about the south and Japan than us.
If NK were to use a nuke, I think we might use Nukes, but I think we are more likly to put a JDAM in his gamming room.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, Soviet made stuff usually worked pretty well. Its the tons of cheap knockoffs made in other countries(or made by the Russians for export) that tended to perform poorly.

It never worked pretty and may not have been the best it could have been but it got the job done.

The AK isn't an accurate weapon but it is low maintainance. Superior to the M-16 in many vital ways, at least earlier on. We have learned and begun making improved rifles that combine the best of the M-16 and the AK.

generally speaking, the soviet response to american sophistication of technology was "the fewer gizmodos you put in, the less can go wrong with it". It's why the AK47 will probably continue to be a problem for the next 100 years, and why we can expect, even with "ancient" weapons in the hands of the norkeys, they would pose a threat if they managed to deploy anywhere outside of their peninsula.


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 Anpu42 wrote:
Remeber the AK was designed by a Sarg with real batle field experiance.
He just happen to be Russian.

welllllllllll

to be snotty, the guy was actually from a tank unit and wouldn't know the trigger from the stock if it weren't for the fact that he was hospitalised and had time to sit there and ruminate on how to improve the lot of the compatriots that were being reduced to pink vapor outside the tank.....

Well, more threat than their Nuclear weapons will likely pose. Of course we have had the better part of a century to learn how to fight soviet designed weapons and them being way behind isn't in their favor.

The AK was also heavily based on the StG44 so its not like it was a miracle built from scratch. Both sides benifited from looting German technology.


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 poda_t wrote:
It's why the AK47 will probably continue to be a problem for the next 100 years, a

Only 100?

I'll be that sucker will still be a viable weapon much longer than that.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well, more threat than their Nuclear weapons will likely pose. Of course we have had the better part of a century to learn how to fight soviet designed weapons and them being way behind isn't in their favor.

The AK was also heavily based on the StG44 so its not like it was a miracle built from scratch. Both sides benifited from looting German technology.


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 poda_t wrote:
It's why the AK47 will probably continue to be a problem for the next 100 years, a

Only 100?

I'll be that sucker will still be a viable weapon much longer than that.

well, either we nuke ourselves out, in which case, PROBLEM SOOOOOOLVED! or some other wonder weapon comes along, or. you know, aliens. because. Aliens.
And I agree, the m-60 is a facelifted '42, and german tech was essential for the manhattan project as well as the american space program.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect some sort of deployment WRT to north korea. Deploying additional troops to protect SK will problaby piss NK off and cause the hammer to drop, but waiting around may only make NK think that SK is an easy target, ripe for the taking, making US deployment damn dear difficult. Despite being such an easy target with outdated tech, why hasn't anyone disposed of NK? Because they present a legitimate military threat. And there's a reason why Saddam had seven shades of hell bombed out of his ass despite a complete lack of evidence of the kind of WMDs that one should be legitimately concerned about, yet it's only finger-wagging when it comes to Ahmadinejad and the Kims.

Well, if we do bomb them away I say we don't step in and clean up the mess. Let them rebuild themselves, or let China do it. Their pet dog, their mess.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well, if we do bomb them away I say we don't step in and clean up the mess. Let them rebuild themselves, or let China do it. Their pet dog, their mess.

that's great, but the solutions are seldom that simple. China might run a temper, and just happen to lose track of some artillery pieces that inevitably end up firing out of NK into japan. Then there'd be retaliatory strikes against SK and Japan. If they hold the territory by the time the bombs fly, then it's going to be civilian "criminal" executions to retaliate against the US, and a possible redistribution of the population so that the US bombs the people they are supposedly protecting.

Carpet bombing is a hell of a lot of fun, it's pretty to watch at night, but, my god, is it as far as you can get from a desired solution.

 poda_t wrote:
I don't think it's reasonable to expect some sort of deployment WRT to north korea. Deploying additional troops to protect SK will problaby piss NK off and cause the hammer to drop, but waiting around may only make NK think that SK is an easy target, ripe for the taking, making US deployment damn dear difficult. Despite being such an easy target with outdated tech, why hasn't anyone disposed of NK? Because they present a legitimate military threat. And there's a reason why Saddam had seven shades of hell bombed out of his ass despite a complete lack of evidence of the kind of WMDs that one should be legitimately concerned about, yet it's only finger-wagging when it comes to Ahmadinejad and the Kims.

The "legitimate military threat" is not to our military, but rather rooted in effectively holding a gun to the head of civilian populations (NK hardened artillery positions threatening Seoul) or to crucial trade infrastructure (Iran maintaining the capacity to mine the Persian Gulf).

 poda_t wrote:


that's great, but the solutions are seldom that simple. China might run a temper, and just happen to lose track of some artillery pieces that inevitably end up firing out of NK into japan.

gak!

Oh well sorry Tokyo, Paris, Singapore and Seattle, my arm just slipped a little, and I didn't know I pressed the button to launch 4 nuclear weapons! I'm terribly sorry, it won't happen again!