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@predakhaine ...How can you be friend with one legion which is ALL gay, and afraid to come out of closet ? And their primarch sucker-puncher backstaber douchebag ? And you don't even know, are current DA traitors ?
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
DarthMarko wrote: @predakhaine ...How can you be friend with one legion which is ALL gay, and afraid to come out of closet ? And their primarch sucker-puncher backstaber douchebag ? And you don't even know, are current DA traitors ?
As I said - its one or the other. The same is also true of the thousand sons - we either like the sons or the wolves.
Space wolves fans should create a conflict between the 1ksons and the D.A. Then, they could complain about each other instead of the wolves..
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
BT are with beef with DA (on b&c), after their fleet disappeared (read: got backstabed)....he,he,he,he
Btw I'm really hooked on BT now :-)
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
What is it about the wolves and the D.A that mean we can't like one AND the other?
They both had their flaws - eg - Russ for being 'beardy' while not having a beard and Johnson randomly killing his own men...
Basically, the Lion killstealed Russ and they got in a huge scrap about it. Then, Russ stopped and laughed at how petty the quarrel was in an attempt to diffuse the tension (I know right?) and instead, the Lion sucker punched him.
Since then, their Legions haven't gotten along.
PredaKhaine wrote: Do BT and wolves get on? Is the enemy of my enemy my friend?
Well no....Or yes....Depends if BT are worshiping GOD Emp or not...
If no (stick to IT and Emperor's original plan) full of win for the SW..
If yes - not so much....
This is my perception of things.....
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
DarthMarko wrote: @predakhaine ...How can you be friend with one legion which is ALL gay, and afraid to come out of closet ?
Was this funny when you conceived it in your head, or did it come off as bigoted there as it does now?
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Mad Boss Morgrot wrote: Leman russ worst primarch of the most 80's styled, hateful army in 40k.
Ruining their gene pool like savages! Oooo we've got enlarged canines, yeah great! Their styles fit better with fantasy not 40k!
Primarchs a joker!
Lion el Johnson. Quality. Survives on caliban a planet warped by the chaos energies before being found, rises to the top of the order, purged caliban. of chaos taint. this is all before he is betrayed by his surrogate "father" and mentor, while off whooping traitor a**e during the heresy....
Cheers Luther!-Scum Bag!
Deserves to live out the rest of his miserable days in the rock dungeons!
Oh and Johnson knocks leman russ out!
The Lion was an unfeeling sociopath though.
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Darth Bob wrote: Basically, the Lion killstealed Russ and they got in a huge scrap about it. Then, Russ stopped and laughed at how petty the quarrel was in an attempt to diffuse the tension (I know right?) and instead, the Lion sucker punched him.
Since then, their Legions haven't gotten along.
Not quite true. The Lion and Russ were bros4life after that incident, it was only after they were no longer leading the Legions that the Dark Angels and Space Wolves grew to despise eachother.
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I honestly dislike Lorgar, Perturabo, Horus, and the Lion the most. Lorgar, cause he's a dick, Perturabo, cause he's mortal enemies with Dorn, and the Lion, due to the fact he seems to be the most boring Primarch. Horus however, is my least favorite. He just has freaking daddy issues and wants all of the attention, even though he already gets most of it. Not to say they don't have some badass qualities, but I find many more primarchs much more interesting.
EDIT: Also, Konrad Curze is overrated. I don't really care for him.
Legions I dislike? Iron Hands, Night Lords, Word Bearers and the Dark Angels.
Iron Hands are freaking cool, but after reading their book, I realized that they're pretty much the rudest marines ever. They're amazingly awesome, but they're terrible people.
Post Heresy Night Lords just look like the silliest things EVER. They're just so... Ew... I admit, there are times when they can look cool, but most of the time they look like circus clowns.
Eh. Out of most of the Legions, they're kinda bland to me. And they remind me of Jehovah's witnesses. "Do you have time to hear of the word of Lorgar?"
The Dark Angels are dicks. Seriously.
And I'm sure people would wanna know "What DO you like then?"
Primarchs-wise, Vulkan is the MOST bad ass. He's my favorite.
Leman Russ is kinda cool. Just kind. He sure as hell isn't Angron.
Ferrus is pretty bad ass, one of my favorites too.
Angron is the most bad ass traitor primarch.
Dorn is pretty decent himself.
And Alpharius, cause, well, Alpha Legion.
My favorite Legions? Obviously Salamanders, who are FREAKING AMAZING.
World Eaters, because brutal, unrelenting carnage!
Imperial Fists are pretty cool, plus they sired the two most BADASS chapters ever (see Black Templars and Crimson Fists)
Alpha Legion. Just, yes.
Death Guard also seem to be pretty freaking awesome as well.
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"So does he cast off a frail mortal frame for something greater and more difficile. So does he become a Dreadnought."
3000ishpts
1500ish pts
1000ish pts
Alpha Legion + World Eaters 2000ishpts
Cryx - 19pts
Khador - 7pts
Legion Everblight - 25pts
the dark angels and wolves don't hate each other in all sources several states them as having a gruding respect for one another.
And while I hate the idea of space vikings (hey why don't you make money of your own cultural heritage for a change?), they arent nearly as irritating as the EC.
And as i said earlier the HHDA stuff really misses some points.
But the fans don't like each others legions - it's like football in that respect. Over here liverpool and Man U fans don't get along (they can, but they have far too much fun slating each others teams )
The D.A fans claim the Wolves 'are a bunch of hairy vikings in spaaaace!' while the Wolves fans claim that the D.A are all literally based on 'The Dark Angel'. A lot of people seem to dislike the wolves aesthetic - They see it as 'Wolves riding wolves' and all that...
So my thought is - what is it about the Space Wolves that polarises the 40k fans so much? Why just does it just seem to be the wolves too? No other legion seems to generate as much love and hate as that chapter. Russ seems to have the most 'fanboys' and 'haters' out of all the primarchs - thats the only reason I can think of for why the wolves seem to win all polls.
TheDungen wrote: (hey why don't you make money of your own cultural heritage for a change?)
Could you explain this please, I'm not entirely sure what you meant?
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
There are only really one or two Primarchs I dislike, they are Jaghati Khan and Vulcan.
I wouldn't say I hated any Primarch or legion, but purely based on un-interesting-ness and the fact that they are very dull, make these two my most disliked. Although I would say the Khan is slightly less so than Vulcan.
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And while I hate the idea of space vikings (hey why don't you make money of your own cultural heritage for a change?)
What does that even mean? Who is you? And why can't he have "viking" heritage?
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
A lot of people seem to dislike the wolves aesthetic - They see it as 'Wolves riding wolves' and all that...
So my thought is - what is it about the Space Wolves that polarises the 40k fans so much? Why just does it just seem to be the wolves too? No other legion seems to generate as much love and hate as that chapter.
Russ seems to have the most 'fanboys' and 'haters' out of all the primarchs - thats the only reason I can think of for why the wolves seem to win all polls.
TheDungen wrote: (hey why don't you make money of your own cultural heritage for a change?)
Could you explain this please, I'm not entirely sure what you meant?
Quite a few people probably do not like the SW because the codex is pretty good and smashed a lot of face when it first came out.
I like the SW and have plenty of models from the SW, DA and BA range going back to when these chapters first started getting unique models in second edition. I really hate the thunderwolves though and mock the moron that invented that abomination.
I think a lot of the SW fan vs DA fan is mostly just internet silliness because I never encounter it at tournaments or in casual games.
And while I hate the idea of space vikings (hey why don't you make money of your own cultural heritage for a change)?
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LOL black templars (who even have crusades), ultramarines, white scars, imperial fists, IG regiments etc.??? I really think this is a silly obesrvation, no offense, athough vikings are "pretty win" situtation for marketing and attracting the fans...
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PredaKhaine wrote: But the fans don't like each others legions - it's like football in that respect. Over here liverpool and Man U fans don't get along (they can, but they have far too much fun slating each others teams )
Here is what I would add : SW are - Barcelona, DA are Real Madrid (or vice versa:-)
So my thought is - what is it about the Space Wolves that polarises the 40k fans so much? Why just does it just seem to be the wolves too? No other legion seems to generate as much love and hate as that chapter.
Russ seems to have the most 'fanboys' and 'haters' out of all the primarchs - thats the only reason I can think of for why the wolves seem to win all polls.
They can't change one fact : according to AD-B, SW have the biggest fanbase and most fierce fanboyz Ooo, and don't forget, lot of us are older SW players and fluff junkies (I'm talking about 20 years and more), so haters can only bark...
Also my friend, check this thread; people were spitting fire on every chapter (mostly DA and UM) but people respond very badly when SW are used ...So that tells you something...
I sound like a fanatic, now...nevermind...FENRIS HJOLDA
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
A lot of GW works are used to make the Space Wolves look good, at the expense of another faction, which I think plays a part.
Spoiler:
The Emperor's Gift, for example. Apparently, Hyperion can't so much as budge Logan Grimnar telekinetically. Apparently Logan Grimnar is more unstoppable a force than the Black Sword of the Daemon Primarch Angron, which Hyperion halted and shattered.
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Void__Dragon wrote: A lot of GW works are used to make the Space Wolves look good, at the expense of another faction, which I think plays a part.
The Emperor's Gift, for example. Apparently, Hyperion can't so much as budge Logan Grimnar telekinetically. Apparently Logan Grimnar is more unstoppable a force than the Black Sword of the Daemon Primarch Angron, which Hyperion halted and shattered.
He not only could not stop him but went so far as to call him an "Unkillable Jarl" after facing down Angron.
But not being able to stop Logan is not without its precedent. We have Ragnaar in his first novel overpowering a low level Inquisitor's psykic powers, as a bloodclaw no less. Then we have Magnus bearly able to restrain Ironhelm in Battle of the Fang. And finally we have Space Wolves forcing back the Thousand Son's psychic wall on Shrike, in A Thousand Sons.
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Beaviz81 wrote: Why hate the Khan and Vulkan? They are like I don't know, St. Louis Blues. The color of neutrality.
Where is the hate for these I dont remember seeing much.
Here is some fun trivia for the White Scars fans. The very FIRST army list for a space marine army published in the "First Book of the Astronomican" was the White Scars.
Stonerhino wrote: He not only could not stop him but went so far as to call him an "Unkillable Jarl" after facing down Angron.
But not being able to stop Logan is not without its precedent. We have Ragnaar in his first novel overpowering a low level Inquisitor's psykic powers, as a bloodclaw no less. Then we have Magnus bearly able to restrain Ironhelm in Battle of the Fang. And finally we have Space Wolves forcing back the Thousand Son's psychic wall on Shrike, in A Thousand Sons.
I have no comment on the Space Wolf novels nor Battle of the Fang: But in A Thousand Sons, the Biomancers broke the Space Wolf advance, if you recall.
Spoiler:
I'm sorry, but nothing you could ever say would justify Hyperion stopping the Black Sword of Angron and breaking it, and then being unable to even move Logan Grimnar. Plot armour was at work there.
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Stonerhino wrote: He not only could not stop him but went so far as to call him an "Unkillable Jarl" after facing down Angron.
But not being able to stop Logan is not without its precedent. We have Ragnaar in his first novel overpowering a low level Inquisitor's psykic powers, as a bloodclaw no less. Then we have Magnus bearly able to restrain Ironhelm in Battle of the Fang. And finally we have Space Wolves forcing back the Thousand Son's psychic wall on Shrike, in A Thousand Sons.
I have no comment on the Space Wolf novels nor Battle of the Fang: But in A Thousand Sons, the Biomancers broke the Space Wolf advance, if you recall.
I'm sorry, but nothing you could ever say would justify Hyperion stopping the Black Sword of Angron and breaking it, and then being unable to even move Logan Grimnar. Plot armour was at work there.
You mean like how he almost made his head explode pushing himself to far in the attempt vs Angron and not overloading vs Logan.
You should also note that Mcneil made a point to point out that Skarssen was able to force himself to stand with the misfiring neural impulses, after only falling to one knee. Shear force of will is a hell of thing.
Even if comparing using telekinesis to biomancy is akin to saying Doombolts kill SWs therefore every psychic power shoul be equally effective.
Stonerhino wrote: You mean like how he almost made his head explode pushing himself to far in the attempt vs Angron and not overloading vs Logan.
You should also note that Mcneil made a point to point out that Skarssen was able to force himself to stand with the misfiring neural impulses, after only falling to one knee. Shear force of will is a hell of thing.
Even if comparing using telekinesis to biomancy is akin to saying Doombolts kill SWs therefore every psychic power shoul be equally effective.
That doesn't mean a lot when you consider the astronomical difference in power between Angron, the Daemon Primarch, and Logan in Terminator Armour. It's like someone straining to pick a car up over his head being unable to lift a pencil.
Skarssen did indeed manage that. Good for him.
Given an equal psyker using it? Of course they would be equally effective. Are you asserting that the Space Wolves have a specific resistance to telekinesis? Show me the fluff to state as much, if so.
Hyperion was a very powerful psyker, capable of stopping the Black Blade, and tossing Space Marines in power armour as though they were children's toys, with his telekinesis. It is nonsense for Logan to be more resistant to Hyperion's powers than the mightiest of all servants of Khorne, the Daemon Primarch Angron.
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Stonerhino wrote: You mean like how he almost made his head explode pushing himself to far in the attempt vs Angron and not overloading vs Logan.
You should also note that Mcneil made a point to point out that Skarssen was able to force himself to stand with the misfiring neural impulses, after only falling to one knee. Shear force of will is a hell of thing.
Even if comparing using telekinesis to biomancy is akin to saying Doombolts kill SWs therefore every psychic power shoul be equally effective.
That doesn't mean a lot when you consider the astronomical difference in power between Angron, the Daemon Primarch, and Logan in Terminator Armour. It's like someone straining to pick a car up over his head being unable to lift a pencil.
Skarssen did indeed manage that. Good for him.
Given an equal psyker using it? Of course they would be equally effective. Are you asserting that the Space Wolves have a specific resistance to telekinesis? Show me the fluff to state as much, if so.
Hyperion was a very powerful psyker, capable of stopping the Black Blade, and tossing Space Marines in power armour as though they were children's toys, with his telekinesis. It is nonsense for Logan to be more resistant to Hyperion's powers than the mightiest of all servants of Khorne, the Daemon Primarch Angron.
Its more like how like some people can pick up a car when they are trying to save their child. When they would stand no chance of it on a normal day.
Void__Dragon wrote: Your analogy would only have validity were Logan Grimnar, indeed, as formidable and difficult to stop as Angron.
I'd like to believe you are not implying that, so I am giving you the benefit of the doubt.
No not at all. That same person who moved the car might not be able to move 200 lbs on a normal day. The analogy was just to point out that some people perform extreme feats far beyond their abiities under extreme duress. Especially when it is to save another person.
Void__Dragon wrote: Your analogy would only have validity were Logan Grimnar, indeed, as formidable and difficult to stop as Angron.
I'd like to believe you are not implying that, so I am giving you the benefit of the doubt.
And you comparision would only be valid if Angron went 1 on 1 with Hyperion and Logan was a deamon....Totally disergard the whole battle btw....JIZUZ
1 on 1 there isn't a SM that could rival Logan, except maybe Dante or Smurfgar so this isn't really a debate...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
What about Mephiston and Kaldor? I basically speculate that the latter is a missing Primarch, and Mephiston is a freaking tank when fielded. If anyone can go mano a mano with the Olde Wolfe then it's those two.
If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing.
Beaviz81 wrote: What about Mephiston and Kaldor? I basically speculate that the latter is a missing Primarch, and Mephiston is a freaking tank when fielded. If anyone can go mano a mano with the Olde Wolfe then it's those two.
Nope Logan would kill them, and drink beer from their skulls....:-)
Seriously those to are protected by famous Ward (level 11) - so I don't really don't use them as serious comparision....
O and they are filthy witches, so totally another category...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
The way I think you should read the Wardian texts is thinking, that's how they think of themselves. Then it actually makes sense reading it. Though the Necrons get unintentionally funny then.
If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing.
^ Tried that, didn't work....
Btw, how the weather in Norway?
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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'I'm like a man with a fork, in a world of soup.' 
