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I reckon the basic tau stuff got a nerf but overall it'll be a more effective army, given all the shiny new stuff plus toys for any battlesuits to use.

My Kroots weep.

Oh wait, I have 100 infiltrating snipers now for the same cost as before. Watch out Flying Monstrous Creatures!

Any changes to the Kroots strength and weapon skill? Any word that they have stealth or does it still only works in woods? At least now I know their base cost is reduce, which saves my horde Tau army 100 points.

Thank goodness I ordered only a single Riptide.

Dropping the Fire Warriors points cost to 9 and their range to 24" seems like a terrible trade off. Although I welcome the thought of partial TSKNF just so long as it isn't the original Bonding Knife rules. Who cares if you can regroup below 25% when they are dead because they failed their initiative role from losing combat?

Tau lacking any CC other than Crowe's long lost xeno twin brother is fine by me. They still have access to the most number of Ally of Convenience.

If you download the How to Pain Tau sample from the ibookstore, in the end they have some codex snippets. firewarriors come with Photon grenades.

 warboss wrote:
Do the firewarriors get free grenades like every other army since except them since 4th edition? If so, do they get both grenades like marines or just basic frag equivalents like IG?

Rustgob wrote:
Best weapon to kill Aun'va; Leman Russ Punisher.

Nope. Warp spiders.

Vespids with 4+?
I might have to convert some.

All the suits have multitrack eros and black sun filters standard (it is on the battle suit page reprinted in the WD.

Also, I would be surprised if the drones were limited, fire warriors can probably buy their upgrade range back. The drone purchases are what is going to make them a solid troop choice.

Sad to hear about the Kroot losing a A, but it is sounding like a syngeristic shoots army, which is great.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Vespids with 4+?
I might have to convert some.

Assuming their weapons remains the same, it will ultimately come down to points cost on whether they make or break it.

If they are still Fast Attack, they'll be competing with the new Flyers for FOC slots.

 SabrX wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Vespids with 4+?
I might have to convert some.

Assuming their weapons remains the same, it will ultimately come down to points cost on whether they make or break it.

If they are still Fast Attack, they'll be competing with the new Flyers for FOC slots.

In the first post it says they have 6" extra range and are 1pts cheaper

 SabrX wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Vespids with 4+?
I might have to convert some.

Assuming their weapons remains the same, it will ultimately come down to points cost on whether they make or break it.

If they are still Fast Attack, they'll be competing with the new Flyers for FOC slots.

From the OP:
Vespid!: the Vespid (and all units) are one point cheaper than originally and their gun ranges are increased by 6'. Armor of 4+.

 Gargantuan wrote:

 SabrX wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Vespids with 4+?
I might have to convert some.

Assuming their weapons remains the same, it will ultimately come down to points cost on whether they make or break it.

If they are still Fast Attack, they'll be competing with the new Flyers for FOC slots.

From the OP:
Vespid!: the Vespid (and all units) are one point cheaper than originally and their gun ranges are increased by 6'. Armor of 4+.

Wait.. so now they cost the same points as a Grey Hunter?! Aww snaps! That's actually quite good. All the previous Marine Killer infantry have never hit it off. Grey Knights will weep.

Man, FA will get crowded in my lists.

jeremesh wrote:
If you download the How to Pain Tau sample from the ibookstore, in the end they have some codex snippets. firewarriors come with Photon grenades.

 warboss wrote:
Do the firewarriors get free grenades like every other army since except them since 4th edition? If so, do they get both grenades like marines or just basic frag equivalents like IG?

Thanks. I'm not an Apple person so I don't ever go to their bookstore.

So the new broadside suit just has the one gun, and not two as before (no twin link etc)? Do they still have the option of Missiles and twin linked plasma’s?

daredeviltan wrote:

Broadsides: they carry rail rifles that is S8AP1.

I hope this is not so. if so it will make them much less effective and more
"oh a broadside i will simply look at it with my front armour"

Also what about their point costs?

What upgrades can the Cadre Fireblades take? Such as abilites and weapons?

Can The Tyranid Flyrant take off it's sunglasses now, or do marker lights can still nock down the Flyrant when hit?


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 warboss wrote:
Do the firewarriors get free grenades like every other army since except them since 4th edition?

I believe Genestealers would like a word with you.

Well I guess it IS April 1st in Singapore right now.

 warboss wrote:

jeremesh wrote:
If you download the How to Pain Tau sample from the ibookstore, in the end they have some codex snippets. firewarriors come with Photon grenades.

 warboss wrote:
Do the firewarriors get free grenades like every other army since except them since 4th edition? If so, do they get both grenades like marines or just basic frag equivalents like IG?

Thanks. I'm not an Apple person so I don't ever go to their bookstore.

Me neither but the wife has one so I take advantage of it once in a while :-)

overkongen wrote:
Well I guess it IS April 1st in Singapore right now.

On the plus side, Fire Warriors losing range is a joke? I sure hope so...

Great I've been wanting a solid sniping option just didn't think it'd be Kroot of all things...*groan* Why couldn't it of been Ratlings?!

All in all though thier fighter/bomber is ugly as sin, but that big suit Riptide? That thing is nice.

daredeviltan wrote:
So if an AP 1 wound is inflicted, your saving throw will then be 1+. THAT GREAT THAT AWESOME BUT WHY THE HELL WOULD THE INCOMPETENT ENEMY FIRE A LASCANNON AT THIS GUY?! Oh yeah no more improved stats as far as I saw.

Tesla attacks on this guy will be hilarious XD

 brentyboi wrote:

daredeviltan wrote:

Broadsides: they carry rail rifles that is S8AP1.

I hope this is not so. if so it will make them much less effective and more
"oh a broadside i will simply look at it with my front armour"

Also what about their point costs?

this has been in the rumours thread for ages now... str8 ap1.. also can buy SKYFIRE... etc etc... the game has enough st10.. and instagibbing T5... enough was enoug, so far all codexes seem to be getting balanced... let that continue


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Davor wrote:
Can The Tyranid Flyrant take off it's sunglasses now, or do marker lights can still nock down the Flyrant when hit?


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 warboss wrote:
Do the firewarriors get free grenades like every other army since except them since 4th edition?

I believe Genestealers would like a word with you.

my Warp Talons will join said convo... (and hey elite demons no grenades.... and assault troops style only)

and any squad that rolls to HIT still causes a single grounding test... cos well you hit it.....

Okay. These are some of the things I've learned about the new Tau Codex, not so much from reading the new model gallery but from reading the battle report. As no points costs are given in the article I don't know how much any of these options cost, but thought I'd put it out there for others.

Supporting Fire: This is a rule that almost all Tau units have, that allows them to support each other in Overwatch

Velocity Trackers: Is the battlesuit system that gives broadsides Skyfire

Counter Fire defense system: Is a battlesuit system that lets the unit Overwatch at BS2

Repulsor Impact Field: another battlesuit system, that causes a d6 s4 ap- hits when the unit is charged, and resolved at Init 10

Interceptor Drones: are equipped with some sort of Ion weapon, that on an Overcharge hit at s8


I had posted this in gen discussion and was told it should be here *shrugs*

Do crisis suits still have the limit of 3 systems/weapons they must choose? Or can you get more or less? Are they BS4 standard or still BS3?

bs 3 as usual.... that's what markerlights are for.

What is the max unit size for crisis suits? Still three?

the speculation is either 3 or 4..there is a pic in WD with a commander and 4 suits.. could just be a photo op though

 boy wonder wrote:
bs 3 as usual.... that's what markerlights are for.

Or perhaps they could make a difference between an 8 year veteran fire warrior in an advanced robot suit complete with a multitude of optics and a guardsman a month out of boot camp with an iron sight on his lasgun. BS3 standard on fire warriors? Absolutely. BS3 standard on crisis suits? Doesn't match either the fluff nor common sense. Are there ways around it like markerlights? Sure, but that doesn't negate the previous statement.

What a load of rubbish here. I am sorry fellas but it is April 1st over in Singapore.

From the white dwarf codex preview you can easily make out that all suits come with Multi Trackers and BSF as standard. It also states Kroot come with a 6+ save. Now if that is as standard or an upgrade it doesn't state. Firewarriors come with Photon grenades as standard which isn't a bad thing at all really.

Pulse rifles 24"? I highly doubt that to be honest. The pulse accelerator makes sense for Pathfinders but doubt it will be a FW upgrade.

 warboss wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:
bs 3 as usual.... that's what markerlights are for.

Or perhaps they could make a difference between an 8 year veteran fire warrior in an advanced robot suit complete with a multitude of optics and a guardsman a month out of boot camp with an iron sight on his lasgun. BS3 standard on fire warriors? Absolutely. BS3 standard on crisis suits? Doesn't match either the fluff nor common sense. Are there ways around it like markerlights? Sure, but that doesn't negate the previous statement.

Don't get me wrong...I agree. but with the inclusion of markerlights they could get a bit OP.

so bs3 it is.. unfortunately with BS going from 1-10 (and we hardly see stuff above 5) there isn't enough range to accurately portray the multitude of races/troop types/abilities... so we get silly things like rookie guard being as good as an elite veteran. jusy the way it goes I guess.