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 DakkaHammer wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
You realize that an AV 12 building is really easy to kill right?

Get a Glance, or a Pen with a result of Partial Collapse, Structural Collapse, Catastrophic Breach, Total Collapse, or Detonation! result and the guys inside take hits at Str 6 or wounds of some sort.

It is not tough to do.

Only problem is you can't actually shoot at the building unless there's someone inside it; you can only target the models on top. So essentially he is just getting a great firing position, and a regular 4+ cover save from the battlements.

I'm pretty sure occupying the battle mounts are still counting as the build so you should be able to.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I suspect my next tournament games will be awkward.
My dad wants to come by and watch.........
This is going to be scary.

That's strange... but why exactly will it be awkward?

Because, what other warhammer players have their dads(me age 20) come watch?

I'm 34. I love it when my dad wants to come watch me play at a tournament. We then go out for beers afterward.
He used to be a very active historicals player, is the one that got me into tabletop gaming in the first place, etc.
Since his stroke he games far less but loves watching.

Seriously, it's only going to be awkward if you make it that way.

I am much better at the game than my friend. I run fun lists and play to win lists. And I usually beat him with both. He just gets mad and then loses to me without trying too hard. Whenever I want to play test a tourney list against him it is really awkward because I know I will win.

Shas'o_Longshot wrote:Man, my most awkward game haunts me to this day...

So, me and a group at the University of Nottingham decided to head down to Warhammer World for some pickup games, and it turned out that it would be just me and another guy (Space Wolf player, for future reference). On our way, we bump in to this girl who's also heading to Warhammer World, after not playing since something like 3rd Edition.

At this point, I'd like to stress that the girl looked fairly androgynous (and I think you may be able to see where this is going...), but it was definitely clear that she was a girl. Her hair wasn't particularly long, clothing could have belonged to a man or a woman, and the voice was in that awkward area where it could be a high male or a low female.

Some time around turn 3 SpaceWolf yells over to me, asking how the game is going. Due to my deployment, uncompetitive list and poor tactical decisions I'm able to reply that "this guy is beating me pretty bad!".

There's an awkward silence and they both look at me oddly, with the girl saying "You do know I'm a girl, right?" and, I kid you not, GRABBING HER BREAST to make it obvious. I'm not entirely sure I'm remembering correctly when my mind adds the words "Did you notice these?", but there you go. By this point, I realise that my gender-neutral use of "guy" was probably a bad idea in the scenario, and explain that I'd just wasn't used to playing a female gamer and said it out of habit... The game continued and she showed a remarkable mastery of the 5th edition Tyranid codex and wipes me by turn 4/5.

I cringe about it to this day, and Space Wolf has brought it up before, to my eternal shame... >.>

What was so cringe worthy? The fact you said she was a guy, or the fact she had to grab her breast to illustrate the point?

Either way it seems more funny than cringe.

Bludbaff wrote:I think the situation here is:

1. Players are using the competitive terrain placement rules.
2. Tau player places a dilapidated bastion on his side as his first terrain placement.

I see no problem with this. Let's see how those broadsides like the ceiling falling on them, because dilapidated bastions ain't exactly all that sturdy. If he's trying to argue that he gets to use the profile in the fortifications section (AV 14 instead of 12, emplaced HBs) then he's just plain incorrect, but the above scenario is perfectly legitimate (and if it's that much of an annoyance to the regulars, yet another argument in favor of doing cinematic terrain placement).

Helllll no. It's just casual play at the Games Night at the local GW, and terrain setup is pretty much casual and laissez-faire except the first piece that goes on the board is always a Bastion (which counts as ruins 4+) which invariably his Broadsides magically appear in. It's become a sort of injoke, and we all have bets on when we will play a game when there isn't a free Bastion on the board with broadsides in it.

I have called him out on it a couple of times, heck every time he does it, but he's Polish and doesn't quite understand how it's not cricket.

DakkaHammer wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
You realize that an AV 12 building is really easy to kill right?

Get a Glance, or a Pen with a result of Partial Collapse, Structural Collapse, Catastrophic Breach, Total Collapse, or Detonation! result and the guys inside take hits at Str 6 or wounds of some sort.

It is not tough to do.

Only problem is you can't actually shoot at the building unless there's someone inside it; you can only target the models on top. So essentially he is just getting a great firing position, and a regular 4+ cover save from the battlements.

That's the idea, pretty much.

Nafarious wrote:I am much better at the game than my friend. I run fun lists and play to win lists. And I usually beat him with both. He just gets mad and then loses to me without trying too hard. Whenever I want to play test a tourney list against him it is really awkward because I know I will win.

So,,, every game with your friend is a most awkward game?

Shas'o_Longshot wrote:
Man, my most awkward game haunts me to this day...

So, me and a group at the University of Nottingham decided to head down to Warhammer World for some pickup games, and it turned out that it would be just me and another guy (Space Wolf player, for future reference). On our way, we bump in to this girl who's also heading to Warhammer World, after not playing since something like 3rd Edition.

At this point, I'd like to stress that the girl looked fairly androgynous (and I think you may be able to see where this is going...), but it was definitely clear that she was a girl. Her hair wasn't particularly long, clothing could have belonged to a man or a woman, and the voice was in that awkward area where it could be a high male or a low female.

Some time around turn 3 SpaceWolf yells over to me, asking how the game is going. Due to my deployment, uncompetitive list and poor tactical decisions I'm able to reply that "this guy is beating me pretty bad!".

There's an awkward silence and they both look at me oddly, with the girl saying "You do know I'm a girl, right?" and, I kid you not, GRABBING HER BREAST to make it obvious. I'm not entirely sure I'm remembering correctly when my mind adds the words "Did you notice these?", but there you go. By this point, I realise that my gender-neutral use of "guy" was probably a bad idea in the scenario, and explain that I'd just wasn't used to playing a female gamer and said it out of habit... The game continued and she showed a remarkable mastery of the 5th edition Tyranid codex and wipes me by turn 4/5.

I cringe about it to this day, and Space Wolf has brought it up before, to my eternal shame... >.>

I have to admit, that story comes close to rivaling mine.

 pwntallica wrote:

Shas'o_Longshot wrote:
Man, my most awkward game haunts me to this day...

So, me and a group at the University of Nottingham decided to head down to Warhammer World for some pickup games, and it turned out that it would be just me and another guy (Space Wolf player, for future reference). On our way, we bump in to this girl who's also heading to Warhammer World, after not playing since something like 3rd Edition.

At this point, I'd like to stress that the girl looked fairly androgynous (and I think you may be able to see where this is going...), but it was definitely clear that she was a girl. Her hair wasn't particularly long, clothing could have belonged to a man or a woman, and the voice was in that awkward area where it could be a high male or a low female.

Some time around turn 3 SpaceWolf yells over to me, asking how the game is going. Due to my deployment, uncompetitive list and poor tactical decisions I'm able to reply that "this guy is beating me pretty bad!".

There's an awkward silence and they both look at me oddly, with the girl saying "You do know I'm a girl, right?" and, I kid you not, GRABBING HER BREAST to make it obvious. I'm not entirely sure I'm remembering correctly when my mind adds the words "Did you notice these?", but there you go. By this point, I realise that my gender-neutral use of "guy" was probably a bad idea in the scenario, and explain that I'd just wasn't used to playing a female gamer and said it out of habit... The game continued and she showed a remarkable mastery of the 5th edition Tyranid codex and wipes me by turn 4/5.

I cringe about it to this day, and Space Wolf has brought it up before, to my eternal shame... >.>

I have to admit, that story comes close to rivaling mine.

One would think that if it's something that comes up often and it bothers you, you'd attempt to change it. However, we all know that's not the case.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

Helllll no. It's just casual play at the Games Night at the local GW, and terrain setup is pretty much casual and laissez-faire except the first piece that goes on the board is always a Bastion (which counts as ruins 4+) which invariably his Broadsides magically appear in. It's become a sort of injoke, and we all have bets on when we will play a game when there isn't a free Bastion on the board with broadsides in it.

Well, if you want to put a stop to it, you could point out that it can't count as ruins because there are rules in the book that explicitly address how to treat a bastion that isn't paid for by either side. But if that's how he's running it I don't see it being all that different from sticking them in an actual ruin piece on the top floor. Is he claiming that you can't assault them because there's no way to move up there? If so, then he is flat-out cheating, but if not, then I'm not really seeing the problem. I know I always try to park my high-value long-range infantry in a ruin for the extra protection.

Oh, one more thing. If you're doing cinematic/casual terrain setup, you should really roll for sides after all the terrain is on the board and the deployment type is known.

I had a long story, but I'll sum it up as this:
Playing against a bad sport, who's obviously fudging rules/rolls.
Girlfriend pipes up after explaining basic stuff with "Get your f--king rulebook" and gets the iciest of stares.
Proceed to barely win game as two others show up and basically do the same thing as she did.
Was just glad to wrap up the game.

I've mistaken a girl for a guy before too and it does suck. It makes you feel like a dirt bag but hey, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then how am I supposed to know your not a duck.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

There is a poor Tau player in my store who can't get games with anyone because the first thing he does every game is take a Imperial Bastion from the scenery box and plonk his Broadsides in it in a far corner of his side of the map... and doesn't pay the point for it in his army list.

Both players get to place terrain. Find a bigger piece and put it directly in the way of said terrain-bastion.

He'll evolve.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

There is a poor Tau player in my store who can't get games with anyone because the first thing he does every game is take a Imperial Bastion from the scenery box and plonk his Broadsides in it in a far corner of his side of the map... and doesn't pay the point for it in his army list.

Both players get to place terrain. Find a bigger piece and put it directly in the way of said terrain-bastion.

He'll evolve.

"Oh, this cardboard box represents massive cliffs."

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
My most awkward game was me with my Eldar with someone else with Grey Knights against Chaos Deamons and CSM. The guy with the Chaos Demons was on the Opposed side to me and just ignored my eldar and went straight to the GK togeather with the CSM of yet another player. But most of the time the whole battle was out of my line of sight, so I had no kills nor deaths. The GK player killed both their armies with a single dead GK. I facepalmed pretty hard as the GK player didn't even need me as a backup.

It was even more awkward. I was the CSM player in this instance, but instead of sticking to the plan, my CSM against GK and my ally with Deamons against Eldar, he decided it was smart to help me out. Ended up moving his entire force in front of mine, thereby blocking my Thousand Sons squads from shooting at the GK. Also placing his HQ in the front of his plaguebearers, losing it and fnp immediatly, and deepstriking a whole squad near Coteaz(?). Well a mishap and 0/20 k/d ratio later he was wiped and not too happy, starting to pack up in the middle of the game even when he had some units left. Then watching my ally rage quit, not knowing how to proceed anymore, left me outnumbered by two times as many points and in charge range of GK squads in their immediate next turn. Needless to say it was pretty awkward, he didnt accept any advice, and was completely massacred. Immediatly after that combat (which was in our turn and still ongoing if he hadnt packed up his units) my squads got charged, only getting to overwatch (only time they fired due to terrain and deamon squads blocking los). Ever tried overwatching a dreadknight to death? Well we were tabled (me making the only two kills, enemy farseer (first blood) and a justicar), only losing my first and all units on one turn. That was my most awkward game so far, my ally ignored all advice (even the GK player's advice) even before deployment and proceeded to lock out two people for the whole game (Me and Eldar player) due to leaving us horribly outmanoeuvred and blocked by allied forces. The three (GK, Eldar and CSM) of us laughed it off after the game, but shamefully it was a loss for me on the ongoing tournament.

tl;dr My Deamon ally blocked me off with los and got tabled by GK (on my side of the board), in a 2 vs 2 game, leaving us to get wiped and me and the Eldar guy doing almost nothing for 5 turns, Deamon player ragequitting before the end.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Both players get to place terrain. Find a bigger piece and put it directly in the way of said terrain-bastion.

He'll evolve.

Well there it is then.

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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
tl;dr My Deamon ally blocked me off with los and got tabled by GK (on my side of the board), in a 2 vs 2 game, leaving us to get wiped and me and the Eldar guy doing almost nothing for 5 turns, Deamon player ragequitting before the end.

Wow...one player going off script results in a complete crushing defeat for one side of the table and half the opposing force having absolutely nothing to do in the game. And THIS is why I dislike random doubles games. Hahahahahahahaha!

Skriker

Most akward moment was when I arranged to have a game at my house and my wife accidently knocked over half of my opponents army. She was bringing us drinks and food so it was kind of funny to see the mixture of emotions in his face. We spent the rest of the night fixing the broken minis in mostly silence. The first few minutes were even more akward because my wife started crying. I don't play at my house anymore.

Forgot to mention he was there to help me better learn the rules since I am new to playing.

 djdakkadakka wrote:
Most akward moment was when I arranged to have a game at my house and my wife accidently knocked over half of my opponents army. She was bringing us drinks and food so it was kind of funny to see the mixture of emotions in his face. We spent the rest of the night fixing the broken minis in mostly silence. The first few minutes were even more akward because my wife started crying. I don't play at my house anymore.

Forgot to mention he was there to help me better learn the rules since I am new to playing.

This is awkward gold. Two wives reduced to tears because of grown men's plastic soldiers. More! Tears for the Tear God! Awkwardness for the Awkward Throne!

Dracoknight wrote:
On the case with the bastion, for fortifications you actually have to pay the points for it, if you dont: YOU ARE CHEATING!

just sayin`

This is not true at all.

You have to pay for the Fortification, you do not have to pay for the dilapidated building used as terrain. (There are even rules for this in the BRB).

 wowsmash wrote:
I've mistaken a girl for a guy before too and it does suck. It makes you feel like a dirt bag but hey, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then how am I supposed to know your not a duck.

At least you never got it the other way around...

 DeathReaper wrote:

Dracoknight wrote:
On the case with the bastion, for fortifications you actually have to pay the points for it, if you dont: YOU ARE CHEATING!

just sayin`

This is not true at all.

You have to pay for the Fortification, you do not have to pay for the dilapidated building used as terrain. (There are even rules for this in the BRB).

Quite right. They are getting something else wrong though - you place terrain before choosing table sides. So putting down excellent fire positions can be a double edged sword.

So; I had never played 40K before.
Hadn't bothered to read the rulebook but the pictures were cool.
I thought it was like LARPing.
I spent days making myself a Daemonette costume.
You know the one with 4 pair of boobs.
Showed up at the game store in Chaos Drag.
Got hit on by near-sighted dudes.
1 Restraining Order + court ordered therapist visits.
You guys are right, this hobby is expensive.

My most awkward gaming experience was this january, when i was coaching a friend for an upcoming tournament that i was in a reserve spot in myself. We proceeded in playing our game and my friend told me not to hold back with my flamer/screamer spam list and he was playing a BT list, so it was in the end a real massacre for the BT. I felt bad as my list and gaming experience were much more advanced than my friends and he did not get much out of the coaching game as he was basically tabled at the start of turn 4.

The more awkward part came on the day of the tournament, when i got a spot in the tournament because of some last minute cancellation. We were talking with my friend when the TO was pulling pairs out from a hat and my friend was confident he would do well in the tournament. It was a 30 player event so facing my daemons was not high, but when the TO pulled our numbers from the hat my friend lost it. He was furious and i felt bad as i knew he had no chance to win. The game was a sorry affair as my friend threw down the towel after my first turn as i had had a dream start and literally decimated over half of his army in turn 1. I went to win the whole tournament with my list, but my friend ended up i the bottom 5 and threw all three of his matches as he could not be bothered to play well in his sour mood. I felt bad and would have hiped he could have gotten some better matchups in the tournament.

Was teaching my girlfriend how to play, not much of a list really only a few units each and no terrain. Anyway she managed to table me by turn 3. Despite the fact that we both had exactly the same units, I had nothing and i don't think she lost a model. Dice Gods hated me that day.

This thread features 100% too many girlfriends and wives and gaming store pickups. Nice try, fellas, but c'mon... ;-)

Oh, I've just thought of one, though this might be purely a gal thing. Annoying situation in which a guy believing himself to be a white knight, decides to play to lose.
I just don't understand their line of thinking. "Because surely, if I let her win, she will just throw herself at me, right?"
Logic.

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 Evileyes wrote:
Oh, I've just thought of one, though this might be purely a gal thing. Annoying situation in which a guy believing himself to be a white knight, decides to play to lose.
I just don't understand their line of thinking. "Because surely, if I let her win, she will just throw herself at me, right?"
Logic.

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this. Rather than throwing the match, win and then offer to take the gal out fir a pint to give some pointers on her list and tactics, and maybe make a new friend

Hearken ye to the tale of Smelly Joe!
(names changed in case the guy is on the site)

Now, Joe was this guy who'd come down to the store every weekend, same as all of us, and we'd play a bunch of casual games, get lunch, then if the store was running an event, we'd do that.
Joe was a hard guy to play against, all in all. Not because of his skill, but because he stunk. I dunno if he had a medical issue or just didn't shower, it's a mystery time has not solved.
I was playing him in a 1,500pts game (I believe I was still using my Iron Warriors at this point), and the smell just kept hitting me. It was kind of like that wet dog smell mixed with fish.
What made it awkward - as opposed to easily solved by demanding he leave right then and take a shower - was that Smelly Joe was actually a good player, and a fantastic sportsman when it came to the game. He was the sort of player who never made an opponent feel bad if he tabled them, always complimented any new models you'd brought to the table, offered comiserations when the dice acted up and was generally a wonderful guy. The games against him, as anyone would grudgingly say, were some of the most fun in the store, and there wasn't a person who would fault his manners and friendliness.
As a result, I felt it only proper to struggle through the game and act just as nicely to him, which wasn't easy as my nose was now engulfed in his less-than-pleasant odour.
It ended, eventually, in a win for him (I'd be doing him a disservice to claim I was distracted or anything, as he was a solid player), and we shook hands and traded compliments on our favourite moments of the game.
It was nice, but to this day I think he mistook mistake the tears in my eyes for disappointment.

 Doomsdave wrote:
So; I had never played 40K before.
Hadn't bothered to read the rulebook but the pictures were cool.
I thought it was like LARPing.
I spent days making myself a Daemonette costume.
You know the one with 4 pair of boobs.
Showed up at the game store in Chaos Drag.
Got hit on by near-sighted dudes.
1 Restraining Order + court ordered therapist visits.
You guys are right, this hobby is expensive.

Pics or it didn't happen. :p

Most awkward game had to be a 2v2 matchup we had. 5th edition prior to flyers coming out or new codexs for Demons or CSM. It was 4000 points per team in any combination. It was My orks i used to have with my team mate having Thousand Sons CSM. Our opponents were Daemons and Space Wolves.

Demons player rolls and gets the wrong set of Demons deployed. So no Fateweaver or Soul Grinders ect. A few Pink Horror squads and a Demon Prince. Possibly a Blood Crusher Squad cant remember for sure.

Every turn myself and my team mate manage to gun down the Demons dropping down. Fateweaver manages to eat the combined fire of 40 lootas that all rolled for 3 shots each. And of course goes down. Soul Grinder gets blown up to a single lascannon shot from a long fang. Ect ect.

The Demons guy starts yelling. Then he starts crying. Then he says feth it. Plays for one more roll (in which none of his reserves came in). He gets a weird gleam in his eyes and tells us that demons phase out at 25%. As the rest of us had been playing 40k less than a few months at that point we had to assume he was right and the game was called on the account that 2v1 is no fun for anyone really.

Awkward was watching the experienced players who found out what he did and berated him mercilessly. And the months after that he continued to show up.

Months passed.

Said Demons player comes back to the store with a sob story about how he needed to sell his Demons to pay for new Necrons. Everyone pretty much just laughed and said they didnt want Demons that phase out.

Played against grey knights. The player saw I was running csm and deamons so he really wanted to play me - he told me as much. He said he really didn't care about my allied deamons (it was obvious he thought he was going to curbstomp me)
He insisted I went first, so I blew up his land raider before it'd fired a shot (3 Oblits and an annihilator will do that on occasion...)

The rest of the game was very tense, he looked upset, he started rolling where i couldn't see, arguing rules (a lot) etc - I was happiest when we realised we were going to run out of time as I could offer him a draw to save face.

Some of my roughest 40k games as GKs were vs Demons. I stomped most everyone else.


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I like 2v2 games. Since I do well they have stuck me w/ the non winning people a lot. The one guys wife had never won with Dark Eldar. I took my Fortress for her even tho I was Nids. I went thru her list said no no no and no and why the hell??? Just no and no way. Take all the dark lances you can and put them in/on my bastion. Park your vehicles behind it for the saves. She had super good range at that point so I took 2 Tyrants w/ armored shell and 9 Hive guard w/ 2 Tervigons. Her range was awesome and my close up shots were disgusting. Also her HQ w/ a 2++ save and a 5 or higher BS on the Krakstorm ML was crazy he soaked up so much fire when they tried and tried to kill him.

I'd think about 10 DA terms w/ an HQ dropped in and killed 1 Hive Gaurd and wounded another then came all of our shooting. 3 or 4 Terminators did survive so I charged them w/ the 2 Tyrants(and they had the good close up load out Dev and BLW w/ Lash and Bone) , 8 Hive guard, and only 1 of the Terv would fit after that. Bye Bye. We tabled them on turn 4.

It was awkward b/c her husband is a good player and she asked me why he never helps her w/ her lists. All I could think to say is he wants you you to do it on your own. I really think he likes to be better than them tho. It was his 12 year daughter I had to play in that tournament.

When 6th 1st came out I played a 500 point game with his son. He was owning me but it was only b/c I didn't find out till over half way thru that his Vidi couldn't fire when I scored a stun/shaken w/ my Psycannon fire. Well he had already killed over half my units but when I told him his stunned vindi couldn't fire its big nasty pie templates he started crying and and surrendered. He had me too.

It was awkard esp. when his dad start explaining in front of the store his son has mental problems.

 masquerade81 wrote:
The more awkward part came on the day of the tournament, when i got a spot in the tournament because of some last minute cancellation. We were talking with my friend when the TO was pulling pairs out from a hat and my friend was confident he would do well in the tournament. It was a 30 player event so facing my daemons was not high, but when the TO pulled our numbers from the hat my friend lost it. He was furious and i felt bad as i knew he had no chance to win. The game was a sorry affair as my friend threw down the towel after my first turn as i had had a dream start and literally decimated over half of his army in turn 1. I went to win the whole tournament with my list, but my friend ended up i the bottom 5 and threw all three of his matches as he could not be bothered to play well in his sour mood. I felt bad and would have hiped he could have gotten some better matchups in the tournament.

I feel a little bad for your friend of getting stuck facing your daemons again, but did he do anything different with his force after that game where he lost in 4 turns? A 4 turn loss is hardly to be embarrassed by. It is 80% of the game, so if a winner is decided by then so what? Have no sympathy for the guy blowing off his other games because he lost to you. Poor sportsmanship is poor sportsmanship. Yeah it sucks to be hurt so badly in one turn, but if you can't take the pain then you shouldn't be playing with the big boys in a tournement in the first place. That is just the way tournement games can go sometimes. It is awesome when it happens to benefit *you*, but if it happens on the other side of the table you instead were cheated out of having a chance in the game...

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welshhoppo wrote:
Was teaching my girlfriend how to play, not much of a list really only a few units each and no terrain. Anyway she managed to table me by turn 3. Despite the fact that we both had exactly the same units, I had nothing and i don't think she lost a model. Dice Gods hated me that day.

Thank the dice Gods because if you had tabled her she would never bother to go near the gaming table again, plus you wouldn't get laid for weeks.

Skriker