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I think I will have to chime in and agree with the sentiment that shipping is going to be most of the barrier to entry for me on this one.

I have had to pass on several amazing kickstarters recently for this reason. UK/EU to Aus is really cheap, but anything from North America is usally not doable.

Will wait and see.

I've not seen anything even semi official other than 'cheaper than the competition'

(although some have been speculating on $10-20 per tile before shipping, I'm not sure if this is based on insider knowledge or just plain guessing)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I've not seen anything even semi official other than 'cheaper than the competition'

(although some have been speculating on $10-20 per tile before shipping, I'm not sure if this is based on insider knowledge or just plain guessing)

If the $10-20 for each square foot tile is accurate the cost would be ≳ to GW's "Realm of Battle" which is 24 square feet for $290 (about $12/sqft). I have a feeling that it's going to have to be less than $10, especially for the Kickstarter price, to gain any traction.

Personally for me to consider it it's going to need to convince me that it's a better option than this:
http://www.zuzzy.com/wc-bb-001-terra-flex-gaming-mat.html

I know it's a completely different material but it serves the same purpose, and since I make a lot of plaster terrain I do worry about the weight distorting/breaking the plastic. Anyway, I've been thinking about picking up one or two of these mats once I finish making a bunch of buildings, so I'm in the market for a board/mat, but there are a lot of options out there.

 Unix wrote:
≳

This symbol. What does it mean? Never ran across it before!

Slightly more on topic. From what I am hearing, the prices sound like they will be very decent. I don't need an entire board, jut enough to display my Thousand Sons on. Although, come to think of it, the rate they are expanding I may need an entire board...

I'm not entirely certain, but I believe that means "greater than or approximately equal to"

≳ is greater than or equal to.

EDIT actually yeah recruittons is more accurate with greater than or approximately equal to (the lower line is wavy)

Ahh, approximately equal to. Makes sense!

You know we are bored when we start talking about obscure mathematical symbols... Where is the Kickstarter page already!

I'm still waiting on final approval from KS so that we can launch, but here is some...

OFFICIAL NEWS AND NUMBERS!

$125 -- that's your 16 tile set price before shipping

$225 -- that's your 32 tile set price before shipping

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

I have partnered with Mantic Games in the UK -- AND THEY ARE HANDLING UK SHIPPING!

So, yes, UK/EU shipping will be affordable. BAM!

But while I'm talking price there's something worth mentioning again -- if you have a 32 tile set you can change your layout every day for more than two years and never play the same landscape twice.

Or you could be stuck on the price -- in which case I'll give you this:

$125 * 3 = $375 .... and gives you enough tiles to make TWO 4x6' tables for $187.50 each. That, my friends, is a bargain.

Hrm... a buck 25 for a 4x4 table?

Extremely tempting... You sir had had my curiosity, now (that we have a solid price on it), you have my attention.

This thread needs more "official" leaked images

thats some solid pricing, also hope with Mantic in the loop that shipping for our friends in AU wont be too rough. Looking forward to this KS getting started so we can get a view of all the options, though adding this KS to the DF kickstarter means my wallet isnt going to be happy with me

Oh wow, UK partner, yeah I'm definitely in on this as well, wasn't sure before with how shipping ramps things up.

Just hope there's a style of tiles that I like now.

Can we pick & choose whatever tiles we want? Not interested in anything sci fi or modern looking stuff, but I'd like the tiles for demoing my game, which is a western

I have the ROB board, and I'm not a fan of transporting the 2x2 tiles, I figure 1x1 will be much easier to work with.. and the ROB's molded-on hills make it tough to have a lot of buildings.

For the math inclined vs. a certain other companies product:

At the 4x4 Level:
Secret Weapons: $7.81 per square foot
Other Guy (2 2x4 packs): $12.50

So right at 66% of the other guys cost.

At the 6x4 Level:
Secret Weapons: $9.38
Other Guy: 12.08

And that doesn't count the extra 8SF you get thru Secret Weapons.

Is there a 4' x 6' table size option too?

Great news to have a solid tangible price and a very attractive price at that.

Will being partnered with Mantic affect the Aus shipping rates at all? Also can you tell us for certain what style of boards will be available?

Another bit from the book of faces

"Each themed set (so not generic) will also include modular walls so that you have bases and terrain in the same theme."

Not sure if that means the 4x4 set will include walls as standard which makes them even better value or if they will be extra add ons. Happy to hear about the partnership with Mantic for EU shipping.

I think that even if there is 'only' a 4' x 4' and 4' x 8' option, as long as we can also buy singles, it will all be OK!

Plus matching bases and terrain themes - nice!

For the lazy / non facebook folks here are some info nuggets (some info might already be mentioned in this thread but including just to be safe)

each set will include 16 UNIQUE tile designs

one of our first stretch goals will be for Urban Streets. This will include both ruined and (comparatively) clean street sections so they can be used with both the Urban Streets and Urban Rubble base sets

OF COURSE we'll have a bag option for you!

The stretch goals have now been updated to reflect two "generic" themes that will work in multiple scales and without the need for specific theme matching

each 16 tile theme set still includes some "plain" options within that theme. So "Ruined Temple" wouldn't be ALL temple floors, although you might find a broken column in your "plain" tiles.

there are two "generic" tile sets in the stretch goals -- and they're there because of feedback from folks like you. We've got you covered! Each themed set (so not generic) will also include modular walls so that you have bases and terrain in the same theme. As for 15mm... that's down the road a bit.


Also i think the pricing might be a dakka exclusive as I havent seen it posted anywhere else


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 Alpharius wrote:
I think that even if there is 'only' a 4' x 4' and 4' x 8' option, as long as we can also buy singles, it will all be OK!

Plus matching bases and terrain themes - nice!

from the facebook comments it sounds like at some point you will be able to buy singles but not initially

Because I'm designing the boards in 16 tile sets -- a 4x4' board -- there is no 4x6' option...

BUT!

When you buy a 4x8' option for less than the cost of the existing 4x6' table you certainly don't have to use all of the tiles. Or, like I said, you can buy three sets of tiles and split them with a buddy to make two 4x6' tables at a bargain price.

I am also waiting to hear back from my Australian distributor to see if they will handle OZ and NZ shipping for me.

The walls will be add-on products, and I will also offer scatter terrain -- much like the existing Scrap Yard destroyed tank and barricades products that are available now.

I'm hoping to finish painting four of the sample tiles this morning -- and I'll get photos posted when I can... that will included painted tiles, walls, scatter terrain, and models. BAM!

And, yes, you will eventually be able to buy singles -- but only after I get everything shipped so we have room in the warehouse to STORE all of those singles.....

Ok, well I will be down for the 4X8 and likely this will become a very habit forming item..I love terrain.

And will the tiles be thick enough to model effective trench and or rivers in future expansions, because that will be a HUGE seller as far as I am concerned.

also a futuristic city tiles are also another thing that will get my money flying from my wallet.

Bravo on this, I am sure it will be a goldmine!

Cant wait to see it up on KS.

On a completely separate note. Justin when you gonna make some dock type round lip bases? My Mercs are coming and I need something all awesome and strait out of the see looking.

misterjustin wrote:But while I'm talking price there's something worth mentioning again -- if you have a 32 tile set you can change your layout every day for more than two years and never play the same landscape twice.

More than two years is definitely right, If you just bought 16 tiles, there are 20,922,789,888,000 combinations (yes, 20 Trillion). For those who are curious, is somewhere on the order of 57,322,712,02 years ... and I didn't even count the fact that each tile has 4 directions... don't plug 16!*4^16 into your calculator, it's a ridiculously huge number.

I'm most likely going to be getting at least one set... but the ability to get 2 4x6 table's worth is really tempting. I'll have to contain myself :3c

 ironicsilence wrote:
For the lazy / non facebook folks here are some info nuggets (some info might already be mentioned in this thread but including just to be safe)

each set will include 16 UNIQUE tile designs

one of our first stretch goals will be for Urban Streets. This will include both ruined and (comparatively) clean street sections so they can be used with both the Urban Streets and Urban Rubble base sets

So the streets (ruined and not ruined) are add-ons that sit on top of the board?

Kind of sounds that way but ill leave it to Justin to confirm if they sit on top or are just separate tiles, nothing else in the facebook post to confirm one way or another

Urban Streets will be a completely separate tile theme, with a separate wall system, and separate scatter terrain.

If the streets mentioned were part of the board I would be seriously looking for another Aussie to split the 3 table worth deal with! this whole idea sounds absolutely brilliant and with their level of quality products and service they could very well take over the world!

Ach fer the love of...I managed to convince myself not to spend any more money other than on the Raging Heroes KS, and now you come along with themed 4x4 tile sets that will likely be perfect for INQ28 games. My wallet hates you and your lovely product.

Oh, one thing; what's the situation going to be re taxes for UK/EU customers? If Mantic are dealing with our shipping, does that mean our prices will include necessary taxes, or are we going to get hit with them after the KS ends?

Yes, the streets will be part of the tiles -- as will sidewalks, raised foundations, culverts, sewer entrances, etc.

@Yodhrin: Everything *SHOULD* be taken care of when the palettes are delivered to Mantic. Should being relative, of course....

Well you got me on board instantly! get it.... on 'board'! :-)

I got it.... can I give it back now?