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Yeah the ruined city is what i'm most interested in. With trenches coming in an impossibley close second.

I know you guys know, but the last two days have tripled the total of some KS campaigns. It's becoming standard for many who don't get the EB specials to just wait until the end.

Yeah, the EB's at the lower level are mostly gone. In at a 4 set one... but there are heaps of those left.

With the trenches, I'd try to get the numbers right to work as a 6*4 table with two 8-tile trenchworks separated by an 8 tile No Man's Land (drawn from the Rolling Fields theme).

I'd also recommend not using any cross tiles. Crossroads make sense for streets, because the point of a street is to get from point A to point B or point C to point D quickly. Crossroads do not make sense for trenches, because you want to isolate your reserve trench from your front trench, and your front trench from No Man's Land. Therefore, T-junctions would work better.

I made up a bit of a mock-up in OpenOffice of a table using sixteen unique trench tiles and eight blank No Man's Land tiles. The contents are as follows:

1*straight
1*straight w/access ramp
1*straight w/pillbox
3*T-sections
1*corner
1*foxholes

1*bombed straight
1*bombed T-section
1*end bunker
1*half-fortified straight

1*fortified straight
1*fortified straight w/bunker
1*fortified corner w/bunker
1*fortified T-section

it might be because its easier to day "I have money" than "I'll have money in 30 days".

That said some people myself included pledged after early bird and still pledged.

Excellent mock-up Alex! I know I would certainly buy that.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Makaleth wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
You can't drop your pledge if it would cause the campaign to go below 100% in the last 24hrs, its not that funky.

IE, it has zero impact on this campaign.

It could. This is a campaign where people are not pledging for 100% funding, they're pledging for stretch goals. People who want the Scrap table are safe, but anyone else could potentially be left holding the bag if there aren't more than $80K in pledges for just that first theme.

And incidentally, that first theme is the worst theme. Modular boards are good for sunken terrain like trenches and canals, and for inherently grid-based terrain like streets. The modular scrap board forces what should be an organic terrain piece into a rigid grid pattern.

You're mostly right, but "rolling fields and "lost desert" I'd argue are a lot less useful, as they're both something that can be easily covered by a mat. (see what I did there?) Admittedly, while these look nice enough, my geohex and GW mats and selection of green and desert hills, GM fort and various crashed terrain and scrap scenery can be arranged in more ways than a dozen tiles. All that "arrange the tiles 10,000 different ways is pretty much hype. While, yes, you do have modularity, there's realistically not a great deal of difference in swapping out 1 or 2 tiles like those shown, nor in rotating the same tiles 90°, 180° or 270°.

I don't want to sound like I'm hating, because I'm not. I just think the hyperbole is unnecessary. I may go in for clean streets or ruined streets, but I'm really keen to see the Alien Temple and especially the Trenchworks, if they happen.


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Earth Dragon wrote:
I know you guys know, but the last two days have tripled the total of some KS campaigns. It's becoming standard for many who don't get the EB specials to just wait until the end.

You're right on the money. I would have gone in if there were any left, but they were all gone when the campaign started an hour before I woke up, so.. well, I'm seeing how it pans out and how my finances look at that stage. Especially with a potential 2-year wait which means at least a year...

Then they should've done something that had features on it but was usable for fantasy, the whole just sci-fi settings was a bad move.

Maybe forest floor, or medieval ruined city (hello mordheim).

Yes, with the early birds mostly gone it'll probably struggle on for a bit. Will likely see a massive surge at the end, like most similar things, so those of you who want higher terrain values need to just hang in there and not become self-fulfilling prophets by panicking now!

 TheDungen wrote:
Then they should've done something that had features on it but was usable for fantasy, the whole just sci-fi settings was a bad move.

Maybe forest floor, or medieval ruined city (hello mordheim).

Well, there are several fantasy-friendly textures - if they unlock. However, I'm a little concerned with the 1" of dirt edging that was mentioned, so I'll have to see renders at the very least.

 Azazelx wrote:
You're mostly right, but "rolling fields and "lost desert" I'd argue are a lot less useful, as they're both something that can be easily covered by a mat.

I'll meet you halfway on that: they're the least useful in their own right, but you need a few blank tile designs that people can use to fill in the gaps.

 RiTides wrote:
Yes, with the early birds mostly gone it'll probably struggle on for a bit. Will likely see a massive surge at the end, like most similar things, so those of you who want higher terrain values need to just hang in there and not become self-fulfilling prophets by panicking now!

I'd say it was less 'panic' and more 'spend money elsewhere on things I can get now vs. months from now for the same price'.

 Azazelx wrote:

 TheDungen wrote:
Then they should've done something that had features on it but was usable for fantasy, the whole just sci-fi settings was a bad move.

Maybe forest floor, or medieval ruined city (hello mordheim).

Well, there are several fantasy-friendly textures - if they unlock. However, I'm a little concerned with the 1" of dirt edging that was mentioned, so I'll have to see renders at the very least.

yeah as the 200k streatchgoal.

they should have had

sci-fi
fantasy
sci-fi
fantasy
sci-fi
fantasy
sci-fi

instead of

sci-fi
sci-fi
sci-fi
fantasy
fantasy
sci-fi
fantasy

especially since 'fantasy' friendly boards can be used for sci-fi too, but not the other way around.

That would make sense if sci-if and fantasy had the same tabletop following. They do not however. The money's in sci-fi. At least in the US.

 Alpharius wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Yes, with the early birds mostly gone it'll probably struggle on for a bit. Will likely see a massive surge at the end, like most similar things, so those of you who want higher terrain values need to just hang in there and not become self-fulfilling prophets by panicking now!

I'd say it was less 'panic' and more 'spend money elsewhere on things I can get now vs. months from now for the same price'.

Years.

Plus "inevitable" KS delays.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
That would make sense if sci-if and fantasy had the same tabletop following. They do not however. The money's in sci-fi. At least in the US.

While true in the US I don't hold that as a universal constant i also doubt that sci-fi is twice as big as fantasy. And i conceded in letting sci-fi go first and have one more in my list . in fact I just reordered their list, also fantasy players are usually older and have more money.

I'd bet that worldwide SF is at least 2x over Fantasy, at least in terms of the market for this kind of thing.

The fact fantesy players are left out in the cold untill the 4th of the large stretchgoals is odd all the same.

Yes and no.

If SF boards will be his bread and butter, it makes sense to finance them first, and have the lower selling items come in later.

As was previously mentioned, a green felt mat seems to cover many fantasy players' needs...

 Alpharius wrote:
Yes and no.

If SF boards will be his bread and butter, it makes sense to finance them first, and have the lower selling items come in later.

As was previously mentioned, a green felt mat seems to cover many fantasy players' needs...

And a brown one covers scifi players needs.

It would be nice for something usable in fantasy games was closer up, Espically since scifi players could easily use them and Historical players might be able to as well, but I don't think there is much that can be done about that now.

Nice try, and I know you love to play a Contrarian role at times, but I have to think that you know what I mean, and that a SF-themed board will be a much bigger seller than a Fantasy themed one, especially as the Big Game for Fantasy requires lots of flat, open spaces...

 Alpharius wrote:
Nice try, and I know you love to play a Contrarian role at times, but I have to think that you know what I mean, and that a SF-themed board will be a much bigger seller than a Fantasy themed one, especially as the Big Game for Fantasy requires lots of flat, open spaces...

psh, there are more fantasy games than just FFFantasy

I've currently got 2 4x2 mdf boards and I cover them with the GW grass mat. I have terrain for the boards, and I play on them with no issue... I'd just like something that gives me the option of something else. Currently my table always tends to look the same.

if the "generic" and more fantasy boards/non sci-fi boards don't get funded, I'll have an urban street set for something else down the road

Ugh...

Anyway, I'm not sure that I want to be rolling dice across a plastic surface - I'd love to see (and hear!) a video of that!

Except sci-fi players can use 'fantasy' board too, in fact i usually prefer fantasy aestitics for my sci-fi boards anyway. my fallen look way better holding some temple than some apartment building or a warehouse in the suburbs.

 Alpharius wrote:
Nice try, and I know you love to play a Contrarian role at times, but I have to think that you know what I mean, and that a SF-themed board will be a much bigger seller than a Fantasy themed one, especially as the Big Game for Fantasy requires lots of flat, open spaces...

Well, states-side that's Warmachine.. which works great with all sorts of terrain. While WHFB loves wide open spaces, it would work well in a ruined or untouched city, just with cobblestone streets.

Surely the imperium has a world or two with cobblestone streets?

Anyway, lets just stay positive, we're almost to the ruined streets and Justin should be here soon with new pics

I'm pretty sure that Justin's market research must have already told him the same thing (SF > F) due to the way he set this Kickstarter up...

 Alpharius wrote:
Ugh...

Anyway, I'm not sure that I want to be rolling dice across a plastic surface - I'd love to see (and hear!) a video of that!

Can you wait for tonight? I'll test it for you.


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 Alpharius wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Justin's market research must have already told him the same thing (SF > F) due to the way he set this Kickstarter up...

Probably also based it on what he has available with his other lines as well . At AdeptiCon he had a few fantasy bases, but the majority of things were for Sci-Fi type games (flight decks, etc...), and pieces of the scatter terrain already exist, and he's selling them through this for a bit cheaper than the prices I saw at AdeptiCon

No, he did it because Kronk doesn't play Fantasy. Only SciFi.

- Kronk.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Ugh...

Anyway, I'm not sure that I want to be rolling dice across a plastic surface - I'd love to see (and hear!) a video of that!

Can you wait for tonight? I'll test it for you.


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 Alpharius wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Justin's market research must have already told him the same thing (SF > F) due to the way he set this Kickstarter up...

Probably also based it on what he has available with his other lines as well . At AdeptiCon he had a few fantasy bases, but the majority of things were for Sci-Fi type games (flight decks, etc...), and pieces of the scatter terrain already exist, and he's selling them through this for a bit cheaper than the prices I saw at AdeptiCon

I'd also be interested in this test as I'd like to know how dice perform on the tiles

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Ugh...

Anyway, I'm not sure that I want to be rolling dice across a plastic surface - I'd love to see (and hear!) a video of that!

Can you wait for tonight? I'll test it for you.

I can indeed wait - and thank you VERY much for doing this!