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2013/04/09 07:19:21
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
Animal rights organization PETA is launching a fleet of UAVs to monitor hunters and fishers for drinking and illegal activity.
Animal rights organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) announced plans to launch hunter- and fisher-tracking drone aircraft in American airspace today. The non-armed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) will supposedly fly over popular fishing spots and wooded areas to make sure hunters comply with local, state, and federal law. PETA, which has an aggressive public relations arm and a history of publicity stunts, recently launched a campaign against the Iditarod.
PETA's Kaitlynn Kelly said in an email that “PETA will soon have some impressive new weapons at its disposal to combat those who gun down deer and doves.” The organization published a blog post (which, incidentally, name-dropped Morrissey) with details of the UAV project. Interestingly, PETA has not deployed the drones yet: The announcement was made to detail PETA's plans to deploy the drones--a strategy which earns the organization maximum publicity and minimum legal liability from any issues surrounding the real-life use of UAVs. Although non-profit organizations in the United States can fly drones (such as the popular AR.Parrot] and competitors such as the DJI Phantom), strict line-of-sight laws and FAA regulations turn actual use into much more of a legal gray area. In everyday life, use of UAVs in the United States largely depends on the knowledge, sympathies, and sentiments of local law enforcement.
According to Kelly, PETA plans to purchase several Aerobot Cinestar Octocopters--eight-rotored octocopters designed for use by the film industry and landscape architects. The Cinestar is designed to carry heavy cameras and has a 20 minute flight time when carrying smaller cameras; it is also intended for use by a two-person crew. Aerobot, which is based in Australia, markets to an international customer base not constrained by the FAA's rules.
Once deployed, the animal rights organization says it will use the UAVs to collect footage of illegal activity such as hunters drinking while in possession of a firearm, maiming animals for fun (leading to possible persecution on animal cruelty counts), and using locally-forbidden hunting or fishing enhancements such as spotlights and speed lures. In a prepared statement, PETA's Ingrid Newkirk said that “Slob hunters may need to rethink the idea that they can get away with murder, alone out there in the woods with no one watching.”
Spoiler:
PETA is not the first animal rights organization to use UAVs to monitor hunters, although they will be one of the first to do so within the United States if the project goes forward. In 2012, the World Wildlife Fund launched anti-poacher drones in Africa designed to provide law enforcement with video proof of poacher wrongdoing and real-time intelligence. But while the World Wildlife Fund project involves local authorities, the PETA project appears to be independent. In late 2012, a South Carolina-based advocacy group called Showing Animals Respect and Kindness (SHARK) had their drone shot down while monitoring a pigeon hunt.
The animal rights group also says they will try using the UAVs to monitor wrongdoing at factory farms, which could provide a way to sidestep recently passed anti-whistleblower laws in the agriculture sector.
So yeah, PETA thinks it's the Fish and Wildlife department now apparently.
Oh yeah, and that group linked in the video? "Shark" or whatever their name is? They've already had one successfully shot down before that one.
Spoiler:
If that small group is capable of this much shenanigans, how much do you think PETA will be capable of? Many hunters are already stating they'll shoot them down, but that's what PETA wants I would bet. There's a ton of legal trouble you can get into firing weapons into the air if you're not careful. Heck, the video linked in the article has the guy flying it near a road to trick the hunters into shooting across it. Now imagine what PETA is capable of. It wouldn't suprise me if they started buzzing hunters, or even trying to scare game off by chasing it away
Also, does it bother anyone else that PETA of all organizations is going to be using drones to essentially stalk US citizens around forests? This organization isn't exactly known for their reasonable responses to people that oppose their viewpoint...
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2013/04/09 07:34:05
Subject: PETA's new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
PETA is still horrible organization, who'd a thunk.
Seriously, they "protect animals" by killing every stray and abandoned pet they can get their hands on. I don't understand how people can actually support them without wanting to kill themselves.
2013/04/09 11:02:19
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
Animal rights organization PETA is launching a fleet of UAVs to monitor hunters and fishers for drinking and illegal activity.
Animal rights organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) announced plans to launch hunter- and fisher-tracking drone aircraft in American airspace today. The non-armed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) will supposedly fly over popular fishing spots and wooded areas to make sure hunters comply with local, state, and federal law. PETA, which has an aggressive public relations arm and a history of publicity stunts, recently launched a campaign against the Iditarod.
PETA's Kaitlynn Kelly said in an email that “PETA will soon have some impressive new weapons at its disposal to combat those who gun down deer and doves.” The organization published a blog post (which, incidentally, name-dropped Morrissey) with details of the UAV project. Interestingly, PETA has not deployed the drones yet: The announcement was made to detail PETA's plans to deploy the drones--a strategy which earns the organization maximum publicity and minimum legal liability from any issues surrounding the real-life use of UAVs. Although non-profit organizations in the United States can fly drones (such as the popular AR.Parrot] and competitors such as the DJI Phantom), strict line-of-sight laws and FAA regulations turn actual use into much more of a legal gray area. In everyday life, use of UAVs in the United States largely depends on the knowledge, sympathies, and sentiments of local law enforcement.
According to Kelly, PETA plans to purchase several Aerobot Cinestar Octocopters--eight-rotored octocopters designed for use by the film industry and landscape architects. The Cinestar is designed to carry heavy cameras and has a 20 minute flight time when carrying smaller cameras; it is also intended for use by a two-person crew. Aerobot, which is based in Australia, markets to an international customer base not constrained by the FAA's rules.
Once deployed, the animal rights organization says it will use the UAVs to collect footage of illegal activity such as hunters drinking while in possession of a firearm, maiming animals for fun (leading to possible persecution on animal cruelty counts), and using locally-forbidden hunting or fishing enhancements such as spotlights and speed lures. In a prepared statement, PETA's Ingrid Newkirk said that “Slob hunters may need to rethink the idea that they can get away with murder, alone out there in the woods with no one watching.”
Spoiler:
PETA is not the first animal rights organization to use UAVs to monitor hunters, although they will be one of the first to do so within the United States if the project goes forward. In 2012, the World Wildlife Fund launched anti-poacher drones in Africa designed to provide law enforcement with video proof of poacher wrongdoing and real-time intelligence. But while the World Wildlife Fund project involves local authorities, the PETA project appears to be independent. In late 2012, a South Carolina-based advocacy group called Showing Animals Respect and Kindness (SHARK) had their drone shot down while monitoring a pigeon hunt.
The animal rights group also says they will try using the UAVs to monitor wrongdoing at factory farms, which could provide a way to sidestep recently passed anti-whistleblower laws in the agriculture sector.
So yeah, PETA thinks it's the Fish and Wildlife department now apparently.
Oh yeah, and that group linked in the video? "Shark" or whatever their name is? They've already had one successfully shot down before that one.
Spoiler:
If that small group is capable of this much shenanigans, how much do you think PETA will be capable of? Many hunters are already stating they'll shoot them down, but that's what PETA wants I would bet. There's a ton of legal trouble you can get into firing weapons into the air if you're not careful. Heck, the video linked in the article has the guy flying it near a road to trick the hunters into shooting across it. Now imagine what PETA is capable of. It wouldn't suprise me if they started buzzing hunters, or even trying to scare game off by chasing it away
Also, does it bother anyone else that PETA of all organizations is going to be using drones to essentially stalk US citizens around forests? This organization isn't exactly known for their reasonable responses to people that oppose their viewpoint...
They should be charged with committing trespass by flying over private property. So should everyone else with a drone. This crap has to stop now.
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2013/04/09 11:15:16
Subject: Re:PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
Agreed. I wouldnt of returned the drone either. I would of said "Sorry officer, but some scrap fell onto my property and so I tossed it in the trash. Maybe you should write the owners a ticket for littering"
2013/04/09 11:24:11
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
This article compares PETA to the World Wildlife Fund, who used 'drones' (radio controlled model aircraft with cameras) to aid authorities in protecting the nigh-extinct rhinos and prevent ivory poaching.
PETA are a crank group of extremist loons and the World Wildlife Fund are an international animal protection charity with excellent recognition and respect. Comparing the two is like comparing the Westboro Baptists to the Dalai Lama as 'both a bit religious'.
2013/04/09 11:35:08
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: This article compares PETA to the World Wildlife Fund, who used 'drones' (radio controlled model aircraft with cameras) to aid authorities in protecting the nigh-extinct rhinos and prevent ivory poaching.
PETA are a crank group of extremist loons and the World Wildlife Fund are an international animal protection charity with excellent recognition and respect. Comparing the two is like comparing the Westboro Baptists to the Dalai Lama as 'both a bit religious'.
I don't know about WWF. I do know about PETA. They turned a good idea (stop animal testing) into a joke entity that does nothing positive. It exists for stupid stunts, tries to tell people milk is murder, and slaughters thousands of stray animals, when people think they are supporting real rescue centers. I spit on them.
You want to help animals? There are a ton of chartiies out there that to do great works. Here's a few.
ASPCA
Central Texas Dachshund rescue
Citizens for Animal Protection
Diamond Dachshund rescue of Texas
Grey Muzzle Organization (rescues old animals)
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2013/04/09 13:09:07
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
PETA plans to purchase several Aerobot Cinestar Octocopters--eight-rotored octocopters designed for use by the film industry and landscape architects. The Cinestar is designed to carry heavy cameras and has a 20 minute flight time when carrying smaller cameras
So the flight time could be as little as 20 minutes for the UAVs that they're buying. In that time they have to fly over the hunting area, find a hunter/fisher, hope that they are in the process of catching/killing an animal and then they have to fly it back. That's not counting on having staff with the proper legal training to determine if prima fascie a law was broken, or trained staff that can operate them and capturing enough footage in the small window that they have to prove that any law was broken. So what we have in effect is yet another publicity-grabbing-attention-wh*ring stunt from the people who brought us sea kittens, eating meat = Nazi/serial killer and wanting to replace cow's milk in ice cream with breast milk.
And they wonder why no-one takes them seriously
2013/04/09 13:11:43
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
Monster Rain wrote: It seems that a typical hunter would have a pretty simple solution for being harassed by a drone.
#6 birdshot? "I thought it was dinner"
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2013/04/09 13:21:45
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
Damnit peta, stop making me agree with hunters.
See, peta is so bad it made me agree with people who do something i detest.
Also, what about private property? I know alot of hunters own stretchs of land that they use for hunter? They think they can do that?
Also, Hunters are resourceful, they will end up taking down the drones w/o firing at it.
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2013/04/09 13:49:26
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
With current FAA rules they will have a hard time pulling this off and staying legal. Frankly they could use guys/gals on the ground (or in tree stands) or remote cameras mounted in areas they are concerned about and accomplish the same goal in a more economical fashion.
Add in that the goal seems to be to allow prosecution of the offending hunters/fishers I also wonder how video from these PETA operated drones holds up in court.
The trespassing thing is a real issue too. Depending on distance from ground control station to drone and altitude of the drone they may be violating trespassing laws very easily (unless they intend to only run this op on public lands?)
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2013/04/09 14:14:08
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
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Next thing you know, we'll have Terminators roaming the forests.
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2013/04/09 14:52:59
Subject: Re:PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
How many PETA members does it take to change a light bulb?
None, PETA can't change anything.
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2013/04/09 15:11:01
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
SilverMK2 wrote: A 20 min flight time doesnt seem long enough to do anything other than buzz people.
Hence why I think they're a trap for hunters. They fly it over an area, provoke the hunters like in the first video, then make bank off the lawsuit and free publicity because that "evil hunter shot down my perfectly legal drone". With only 20 minutes of supposed flight time there isn't much else it can do.
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2013/04/09 15:31:35
Subject: Re:PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
PETA are a disgrace. It's idiotic extremists like them that make people's lives a misery. Ask any member of PETA wether they, or anyone they know, take any form of man made, over the counter drug. When they say yes, laugh at them. I'm not saying animal testing is a good idea, testing makeup or shampoos for instance. But when it's for the benefit of mankind? Go for it scientists, do your thing.
2013/04/09 15:41:35
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
SilverMK2 wrote: A 20 min flight time doesnt seem long enough to do anything other than buzz people.
Hence why I think they're a trap for hunters. They fly it over an area, provoke the hunters like in the first video, then make bank off the lawsuit and free publicity because that "evil hunter shot down my perfectly legal drone".
Sounds like Westborro Baptist Church's MO.
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2013/04/09 15:51:58
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: This article compares PETA to the World Wildlife Fund, who used 'drones' (radio controlled model aircraft with cameras) to aid authorities in protecting the nigh-extinct rhinos and prevent ivory poaching.
PETA are a crank group of extremist loons and the World Wildlife Fund are an international animal protection charity with excellent recognition and respect. Comparing the two is like comparing the Westboro Baptists to the Dalai Lama as 'both a bit religious'.
I don't know about WWF. I do know about PETA. They turned a good idea (stop animal testing) into a joke entity that does nothing positive. It exists for stupid stunts, tries to tell people milk is murder, and slaughters thousands of stray animals, when people think they are supporting real rescue centers. I spit on them.
You want to help animals? There are a ton of chartiies out there that to do great works. Here's a few.
ASPCA
Central Texas Dachshund rescue
Citizens for Animal Protection
Diamond Dachshund rescue of Texas
Grey Muzzle Organization (rescues old animals)
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2013/04/09 16:06:44
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
SilverMK2 wrote: A 20 min flight time doesnt seem long enough to do anything other than buzz people.
Hence why I think they're a trap for hunters. They fly it over an area, provoke the hunters like in the first video, then make bank off the lawsuit and free publicity because that "evil hunter shot down my perfectly legal drone".
Sounds like Westborro Baptist Church's MO.
I cannot think of anyone who would shoot down a drone/camera unless they were actively engaged in hunting out of season/poaching.
While I dislike PETA, I can understand why someone would do something like this.
The area I live in regularly has at least one or two people "hunting" deer out of season and relatively close to no less than three different residential areas. It got to be so bad a few years back that we had Fish & Game out here every week setting up trail cameras.
Whoever it was doing the hunting kept shooting the things whenever they saw them.
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2013/04/09 16:13:02
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
SilverMK2 wrote: A 20 min flight time doesnt seem long enough to do anything other than buzz people.
Hence why I think they're a trap for hunters. They fly it over an area, provoke the hunters like in the first video, then make bank off the lawsuit and free publicity because that "evil hunter shot down my perfectly legal drone".
Sounds like Westborro Baptist Church's MO.
I cannot think of anyone who would shoot down a drone/camera unless they were actively engaged in hunting out of season/poaching.
While I dislike PETA, I can understand why someone would do something like this.
The area I live in regularly has at least one or two people "hunting" deer out of season and relatively close to no less than three different residential areas. It got to be so bad a few years back that we had Fish & Game out here every week setting up trail cameras.
Whoever it was doing the hunting kept shooting the things whenever they saw them.
If I was out hunting ducks or something and their drones were on my property (over it) I might shoot at it with birdshot, but I'd hope most hunters have the common sense to not aim a 30.06 up in the air just to take out a drone, no matter how easy of a target it may be. If they kept flying it over my house, clearly scoping out the area, I would grab some posterboard, and write in huge letters "LEAVE OR YOU WILL BE SHOT DOWN" so I can say I warned them. If the drone isn't making an obvious effort to leave after a few minutes, I'd shoot it down, call the police, and tell them that because of PETA's past actions I was concerned for my safety. Heck, if they ask nicely, I might even let them have it back (minus a trophy for the wall of course)
But to get me to that point, they'd have to be buzzing my house regularly, threatening my actual safety (as in trying to ram me with it) or getting very low. Otherwise I could care less, I'd have nothing to hide.
Would be a lot of fun to mess with them though while that camera is on you...
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2013/04/09 17:32:17
Subject: PETA reveals their new hunter hunting anti-hunting drones.
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CptJake wrote: With current FAA rules they will have a hard time pulling this off and staying legal. Frankly they could use guys/gals on the ground (or in tree stands) or remote cameras mounted in areas they are concerned about and accomplish the same goal in a more economical fashion.
Add in that the goal seems to be to allow prosecution of the offending hunters/fishers I also wonder how video from these PETA operated drones holds up in court.
The trespassing thing is a real issue too. Depending on distance from ground control station to drone and altitude of the drone they may be violating trespassing laws very easily (unless they intend to only run this op on public lands?)
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I am wondering what the legality of operating a UAV over public, and even private, land is.
There are plenty of private individuals that open their land to hunters. Flying a UAV is probably going to be illegal over areas like that.
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Would be a lot of fun to mess with them though while that camera is on you...
Dude, I'd go out back and start processing a few of the way too many roosters we have running around. While wearing my PETA shirt(people for the eating of tasty animals that is)
Maybe throw in a turkey for good measure.
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