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 Sigvatr wrote:
As long as greenskins can still claim that they are the oldest race, I'm fine with the fluff

They don't care what anyone else thinks anyway.

DukeRustfield wrote:
40K fluff doesn't tie with WHFB anymore. Severed years ago. Because maintaining the link hamstrung both sides.

No one knows what happened to the Old Ones. They mighta just blown up their gates, went, DOH, then left before anyone could blame them.

Meh, so unless we get an explanation, I guess I stick with them being tied.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Couldn't the Old Ones be the High Elf gods, just by a different name?

Unlikely. In the lizardmen book their is fluff about the high elves coming to visit. They enter the temple city and wait for the slaan to walk up. It takes a while, but the slaan divines that "They don't Belong Here", and the Temple Guard promptly start slaughtering the High Elves.

If the Slaan and High elves worshiped the same gods under different names, it's very unlikely that the gods would want the high elves slaughtered.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Couldn't the Old Ones be the High Elf gods, just by a different name?

Unlikely. In the lizardmen book their is fluff about the high elves coming to visit. They enter the temple city and wait for the slaan to walk up. It takes a while, but the slaan divines that "They don't Belong Here", and the Temple Guard promptly start slaughtering the High Elves.

If the Slaan and High elves worshiped the same gods under different names, it's very unlikely that the gods would want the high elves slaughtered.

-Matt

Could easily be explained with the Old Ones not wanting Elves to interfer with their overall scheme, which is what the Slaan are working on.

Or Slann could be big con artists. Living like pimps and getting high in their celestial rooms of awesome (drug rooms).

But it stated the Old ones created all the elder races. Like HE, Liz, Dwarfs, Ogres, Men. I think halflings too. Dragons and Dragon ogres were already here. This was in the lore section of the book so was presented as fact.

Just read the background section of the HE Book and have noticed something else fantastic about the new book: The photo-bombing Swordmaster on page 23!!

Mat Ward is the new god of the High Elf players, they can now argue their book is balanced and then conclude they are the most excellent of tacticians.

In the 5th edition LM book it says that the old ones nurtured the ancestors of the elves. Of course ancestor could mean some lower life form much like small tree dwelling primates are the ancestors of RL humans. The same is more or less repeated in the current book and these ancestors are described as primitive.

Interestingly the narrative suggests that saurus were made before the slann to purge the unwanted races, I had previously overlooked that.

Whether the old ones left or were destroyed is stated as unknown.

Matt Ward is their King until his nemesis, Tam Draw, decides that Wood Elves should have weapons that bypass ward saves and are double strength against elves, in order to counter this book - escalation ftw

Who the heck is Tam Draw?

Mat(t) Ward's opposite, obviously.

Indeed - a fictional other who needs to write the next book, taking Mr Ward's "creativity" into account.

*Omitted the second T because Tam is a reasonably common name here.

And here I thought you "omitted" the second T because his actual name doesn't have a second T in it...

 d-usa wrote:
And here I thought you "omitted" the second T because his actual name doesn't have a second T in it...

Which explains how poorly written all his books are. He can't even spell his own name.

-Matt

Ah, even better


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Is it short for Mathias do we know? Could explain the single T. Or is it just "cool and original"?

Niteware wrote:
Ah, even better


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Is it short for Mathias do we know? Could explain the single T. Or is it just "cool and original"?

It's from(IIRC) when he was an intern at the Studio. At the time, there were five or six different "Matthews" and they all used different names. Some were given nicknames or used their middle names/surnames, while at least three were dubbed "Matthew", "Matt", and "Mat".

This isn't a thread on Mat(t) Ward, just saying. I'm sure there are plenty of other threads on Mr. Ward if you want to discuss him there

Is there still fluff for the phoenix gate that the new phoenix king needs to pass through the flames and be burned if he is not worthy, like the DE king malekith if i remember correctly from the 4th edition? This would be good to know as i still don't have my book, but am working on a fluff for my Game of thrones Daenerys inspired HE army and was thinking that this elf princess somehow walked through the gate, was not burned and was banished as the current king was still alive and the HE thought that the princess was a DE sorceress, who used some sorcery to not get burned. Well the fluff is still a work in progress. Good ideas are welcome btw

 masquerade81 wrote:
Is there still fluff for the phoenix gate that the new phoenix king needs to pass through the flames and be burned if he is not worthy, like the DE king malekith if i remember correctly from the 4th edition? This would be good to know as i still don't have my book, but am working on a fluff for my Game of thrones Daenerys inspired HE army and was thinking that this elf princess somehow walked through the gate, was not burned and was banished as the current king was still alive and the HE thought that the princess was a DE sorceress, who used some sorcery to not get burned. Well the fluff is still a work in progress. Good ideas are welcome btw

Thing is it's the High Elves who have used sorcery to not get burned. The last Elf to go through the flames with no magical protection in place and not get burned was Aenerion. Malekith tried and was burned and all the Phoenix Kings after Aenerion used magical wards to protect themselves from it (as they were elected by Elves rather than actually chosen by Asuryan).

So I like that back story as it reveals the High Elves as the deceitful and treacherous beings that they are