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I heard klingons with helms are in this movie. Perhaps that is them, what with the crimping foreheads?
Spoiler:
Klingons up in the hizzy!*
*I'm deeply ashamed for typing that.
Ahh that makes sense, I only got a fleeting look at them because youtube blacks out when I pause it, I took it from the new Star Trek game featuring them as a villain it could be them.
Weren’t there Klingons in face covering helmets in a cut scene in the first one? I assumed that was because they didn’t want to commit to a particular aesthetic for the Klingons for the sake of one scene so just decided to cover their faces.
If Klingons are in this I hope we get a better look at them.
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I'd like to see no Klingons for a long, long time.
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LuciusAR wrote: Weren’t there Klingons in face covering helmets in a cut scene in the first one?
They were. Nero spent some time on the prison planet Kirk did in Star Trek 6 before being busted out, thus the "50 Klingon Warships were destroyed" that Uhura overhears.
As I understand it, the Klingons in this version are a mix of the original series and the ones used in the Motion Picture and thereafter. They don't have ridges on their skulls, but are a bit more 'cro magnon'ish than humans and Vulcans. Their helmets (and coats) are part of their uniforms, and that is where the ridges are in reference to the more recent depiction of Klingons.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
kronk wrote: Why would the surface of their helms have ridges?
[insert meme here] Yo dawg, I heard you like ridges, so we got ridges for your...never mind.
I have no idea where this movie is going. Cumberbatch's role was already a mystery, and now the mystery ship really makes things unclear. It sure seems like the ship is something from the future, since the Enterprise is supposed to be state of the art, and the mystery ship looks much larger AND more advanced. But would Abrams go right back to the time travel well? I guess maybe it could be a prototype. I dunno.
This is totally off the wall and almost certainly not correct, but is it possible we're looking at some kind of hugely reimagined Gary Seven? Cumberbatch could be some kind of enhanced agent sent from the future (in this case he's doing the time traveling and not the Enterprise team) to sabotage Starfleet (instead of the '60s space program).
Edit: It's funny...I just Googled this and found out that I'm not even remotely the first person to have thought of this, LOL. It's probably a more obvious villain and plotline, but at least I'm not alone on the Gary Seven idea. I didn't know this, but apparently there were some comics or novels written that connected Seven to Khan.
Whomever Cumberbatch is and whatever the ship is, it seems like this story will at most only have a vague resemblance to anything from the original series. So at this point it probably makes more sense to just treat it like a new story and a new villain, and stop wasting any mental energy on it.
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They look really cheap, like something from a short lived 80s scifi like 'Otherworld', 'Buck Rodgers' or something using the word 'force' in it like 'ultraforce', I think it's the daft looking guns and low rent giant coats to save money on actual costume. I bet at some stage they attack using motorbikes and hand gliders with 'futuristic plastic paneling' on it.
They look really cheap, like something from a short lived 80s scifi like 'Otherworld', 'Buck Rodgers' or something using the word 'force' in it like 'ultraforce', I think it's the daft looking guns and low rent giant coats to save money on actual costume. I bet at some stage they attack using motorbikes and hand gliders with 'futuristic plastic paneling' on it.
I'm not sure one can really judge post pre-post production shots as final; seeing the sausage always makes it look cheap. In The Dark Knight the Batsuit when seen in stills that you can tell is just a suit with armor drawn on looks pretty cheap too, but you can't tell in the movie. That is what makes it movie magic.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
One explanation for the Enterprise-As altered appearance in the alternate timeline is the recovered sensor scans the Kelvin got from its initial (and terminal) contact with the Narada. A 24th century ship appearing in 23rd century space and sticking around long enough for several planets/ships/sensor stations to scan it would likely significantly influence ship design.
Granted, that's just a convenient excuse to update all the TOS ship models, but I see no reason this has to be a future enterprise/ship
I`m so amped for this movie, I absolutely loved the 2009 reboot. I actually kinda like that everything`s still a mystery, trailers nowadays usually give away too much.
Sgt_Scruffy wrote: One explanation for the Enterprise-As altered appearance in the alternate timeline is the recovered sensor scans the Kelvin got from its initial (and terminal) contact with the Narada. A 24th century ship appearing in 23rd century space and sticking around long enough for several planets/ships/sensor stations to scan it would likely significantly influence ship design.
Granted, that's just a convenient excuse to update all the TOS ship models, but I see no reason this has to be a future enterprise/ship
And one thing we have not mentioned: Old Spock is there.
He already handed out "new" techniques like beaming across space, so he might push ship development along a bit.
If you remember the history of Klingon's they lost their ridges in a stupid storyline during Star Trek Enterprise and that did not sit well with them. Enterprise's events weren't altered by Nero's arrival, so that still happened and is probably why they have ridges on their helmets (to make up for not having them on their heads).
That way the audience can easily identify them as Klingon (while still adhering to canon) since the ridgless Klingon's haven't been that common since TOS and Klingons with ridges featured prominently in TNG and DS9.
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LordofHats wrote: If you remember the history of Klingon's they lost their ridges in a stupid storyline during Star Trek Enterprise and that did not sit well with them. Enterprise's events weren't altered by Nero's arrival, so that still happened and is probably why they have ridges on their helmets (to make up for not having them on their heads).
That way the audience can easily identify them as Klingon (while still adhering to canon) since the ridgless Klingon's haven't been that common since TOS and Klingons with ridges featured prominently in TNG and DS9.
That is assuming the producers are taking everything as canon, which I doubt they are. God I hope they aren't. That was a bit of a retcon story to explain a change that was never really supposed to have any significance anyway more than any reasoned, well thought, narrative decision. It is like Klingons getting cloaking devices because of trades with Romulans when the real reason is Paramount wanted to save money on Star Trek III so changed the villain from Romulan to Klingon to use the costumes and sets from TMP without making really any other changes to the story.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
God I hope they aren't. That was a bit of a retcon story to explain a change that was never really supposed to have any significance anyway more than any reasoned, well thought, narrative decision
Oh I agree. That whole 'this is why they didn't have ridges' thing was stupid (and I'm a canon adherent!). But a lot of Star Trek fans are super into the canon so we care about that stuff and I'd assume that the production team is keeping that in mind.
It is like Klingons getting cloaking devices because of trades with Romulans when the real reason is Paramount wanted to save money on Star Trek III so changed the villain from Romulan to Klingon to use the costumes and sets from TMP without making really any other changes to the story.
And because I'm canon adherent I must inform you that it's Bird's of Prey, not Cloaking devices that Klingon's got as a result of Star Trek III. Cloaking Devices were canonically traded to Klingon's in TOS (though I think Enterprise stopped the first attempt at a physical trade). Bird's of Prey were a Romulan ship that fell into Klingon hands as a result of production of the STIII and there was some silly after the fact background story about how the BoP was stolen by the Klingon's from the Romulans w/e. That's why the B'Rel BoP has the eagle wings on its nacelles. The ship in STIII was originally meant to be Romulan. EDIT: Also why Klingon ships there after started being green instead of metal gray.
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LordofHats wrote: And because I'm canon adherent I must inform you that it's Bird's of Prey, not Cloaking devices that Klingon's got as a result of Star Trek III. Cloaking Devices were canonically traded to Klingon's in TOS (though I think Enterprise stopped the first attempt at a physical trade). Bird's of Prey were a Romulan ship that fell into Klingon hands as a result of production of the STIII and there was some silly after the fact background story about how the BoP was stolen by the Klingon's from the Romulans w/e. That's why the B'Rel BoP has the eagle wings on its nacelles. The ship in STIII was originally meant to be Romulan. EDIT: Also why Klingon ships there after started being green instead of metal gray.
That is all years after the fact retconning to try and explain something that Paramount did in a movie, and it wasn't done very well. As I said, they didn't change almost anything from the original script except the words 'Romulan' to 'Klingon'. The ship had already been designed when the decision had been made. If you look at Star Trek III as about Romulans it makes much more sense: bird of prey (both name and iconagraphy), cloaking, and being sneaky instead of 'feth yeah we are mighty warriors'.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
If you look at Star Trek III as about Romulans it makes much more sense: bird of prey (both name and iconagraphy), cloaking, and being sneaky instead of 'feth yeah we are mighty warriors'.
Also agreed. Never said they were being intelligent about it There's a reason I loathe Enterprise's final season (Well I loathe Enterprise in general but the final season especially).
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I generally pretend that Enterprise never existed, and I loved the idea behind it. They could have done so much with the show but made TNG light with a dash of Voyager.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Mostly I hated the "We're humans and we get that your culture does things differently but frankly our culture does them better" aspect of the show. After years of watching TNG, DS9, and Voyager (EDIT: Well, less so Voyager) that attitude really didn't sit well with me in the slightest. It was the exact opposite of Star Trek as I'd come to know it.
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Ahtman wrote: I generally pretend that Enterprise never existed, and I loved the idea behind it. They could have done so much with the show but made TNG light with a dash of Voyager.
There was so much promise to Enterprise. They could have kicked off the Klingon Wars, introduced the Romulans, dip into some of the old enemies (Dorn, I think?). But instead, it was trans-dimensional time-traveling aliens or something. Dunno, really. That show got weird.
There's a reason I loathe Enterprise's final season (Well I loathe Enterprise in general but the final season especially).
