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Cross posted from the KS Comments and PB forums:

Oh, and a local store has listed their prices for the Robotech figures. As expected, cheaper than MSRP by 10-15% (including taxes), slightly more than the KS prices. But just barely. Like, a Valkyrie or Destroid pack is only $1-2 more than the KS add on price, meaning the Wave One figures are a fairly low priority in my eyes. Things that aren't due out in the first set of releases, however, becomes a much more attractive buy.

http://www.meeplemart.com/collections/Robotech-RPG-Tactics

Keep in mind, Ontario has 13% taxes, so those numbers are actually a bit higher at the register, hence my comments on them being "slightly more than the KS". Far as I know they don't ship outside of Canada, but I'd be surprised if we didn't see more stores (local and online) adopt similar pricing schemes.


Just a heads up all over, depending on your local/trusted online shops, anything in the 'first wave' can probably be picked up at retail for roughly the KS price, maybe even less if you have a great store in the area or a frequent customer discount. The real targets for additional funding, in my eyes, are the figures that aren't due out immediately.

Though yes, that does require assuming we get shipped the whole batch at the same time, but I stand firm that mailing out 2 or more shipments would be a simply staggering amount of extra work and resources, even in flat rate boxes.

 Balance wrote:

Cypher-xv wrote:
At least it wasn't Kev S coming out saying its awesome and we'll love it. Really, that's for me and everybody else to decide. Talking about how the rules are tight yet many folks on the PB forums want a rules overhaul since its the same system for 30+ years. Tight indeed.

Are they sating the RT rules are tight, or the Palaldium RPG system is tight? The RT system is an unknown (at least to me) and is hopefully at least in playtest. The Plaadium System has been around for decades and really hasn't advanced since the 80s. It worked reasonably well for TMNT, but not nearly as well for the 1st edition Robotech RPG.

Just hope ND has 100% control over the rules. That way they will be playable. If KS is involved in the rules we will end up with PB, as a stat for a mecha miniature game.

 Forar wrote:

Just a heads up all over, depending on your local/trusted online shops, anything in the 'first wave' can probably be picked up at retail for roughly the KS price, maybe even less if you have a great store in the area or a frequent customer discount. The real targets for additional funding, in my eyes, are the figures that aren't due out immediately.

So stick with the War Cry set, then?

 Azazelx wrote:

 Forar wrote:

Just a heads up all over, depending on your local/trusted online shops, anything in the 'first wave' can probably be picked up at retail for roughly the KS price, maybe even less if you have a great store in the area or a frequent customer discount. The real targets for additional funding, in my eyes, are the figures that aren't due out immediately.

So stick with the War Cry set, then?

The base $140 freebie pledge level and its multiples are you best value as the minis come out to less than $1.50 each and give you a hell of a vsriety as well. $140 gets you skirmish scale units of almost everything (3-6 minis per squad) whereas the higher pledges give you full wargame sized units (assuming both scale games and builds make it to the finished product). If you don't have a ready made play group for robotech, I'd probably suggest the former.

The Battle Cry tier is a really solid deal. The Showdown tier is amazing if you have the cash to spare, and gives you pretty much everything you could want, aside from a few extras (MAC II, Zentraedi Infantry, etc). Personally I'm buying a Showdown and 3 add ons (Armoured Veritech pack, a MAC II and Destroids from my share of a Daedalus), but I may split off with a friend some of the extra stuff I'm not terribly interested in to offset some of those costs.

My point was more that when buying add ons, there's not much point in buying, say, more Destroids or Battlepods for $25 per box if they're likely available in store for $26. Assuming they can be found for roughly the same prices, might as well go for things like the aforementioned MAC II, Gnerls, Power Armour, etc, things that might be in Wave 2 or 3 or whatever, and however many weeks or months it takes to get to them.

Just go with Reckless, like I did, then you won't need to buy any of that stuff as you already get a dump truck full of them.

Also, I just read their latest update (101) and Survey next week, Pledge Manager to follow.

Who was that dashing fellow that said we wouldn't see it until the 8th at the earliest?

 TalonZahn wrote:
Just go with Reckless, like I did, then you won't need to buy any of that stuff as you already get a dump truck full of them.

Also, I just read their latest update (101) and Survey next week, Pledge Manager to follow.

Who was that dashing fellow that said we wouldn't see it until the 8th at the earliest?

After hearing that they'd both be out in a few weeks and then later revised to June... I won't start holding my breath just yet. Also, I'm not sure who or what you're referring to but the 8th is technically next week.

 warboss wrote:
Also, I'm not sure who or what you're referring to but the 8th is technically next week.

It was me.

When they last said this week, I said no one gets anything done this week so it would be the 8th at the earliest.

Now they are saying next week.... like the 8th.

Ah, sorry... the joke totally flew over my head.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Just go with Reckless, like I did, then you won't need to buy any of that stuff as you already get a dump truck full of them.

Things the Battle Cry, Showdown and Reckless don't get:

- Armoured Battloids
- Experimental Battloids
- Y4-F Valkyries
- VEF-1/-1D Valkyries
- MAC II Monster
- Zentraedi Infantry
- Zentraedi Officer Pod Booster Sled
- Objective packs, resin SDF-1, SDF-1 bases.

So you can buy a dozen Recklesses and still need to balance some funding for add ons all the same. :-P

Personally, if you just want enough to field solid groups of units, I think a Battle Cry with a Gnerl Booster (to be able to field a full card of 6) is a pretty damned good deal. The Armoured Battloids for $20 seems quite reasonable as well.

I went with the Showdown because it doubles up the things that you get as mere "upgrade cards" to "full cards" (ie: 6 MPA instead of 3, 6 Gnerls instead of 3, 4 Super VTs instead of 2, 4 of each destroid (depending on how you build the Tomahawks/Defenders), etc, and Added On to round out some of the things that were missing that I wanted.

Sorry if I've missed the point and am writing out in crayon things you already know, but nope, a Reckless doesn't get you everything. Gotta jump through extra hoops for that.

Also, to be full on pedantic, I'm actually in for a Reckless and an extra Battle Cry. 2 buddies joined me, we're buying 5 sets between us and another $300 or so in add ons.

 Forar wrote:
The Battle Cry tier is a really solid deal. The Showdown tier is amazing if you have the cash to spare, and gives you pretty much everything you could want, aside from a few extras (MAC II, Zentraedi Infantry, etc). Personally I'm buying a Showdown and 3 add ons (Armoured Veritech pack, a MAC II and Destroids from my share of a Daedalus), but I may split off with a friend some of the extra stuff I'm not terribly interested in to offset some of those costs.

My point was more that when buying add ons, there's not much point in buying, say, more Destroids or Battlepods for $25 per box if they're likely available in store for $26. Assuming they can be found for roughly the same prices, might as well go for things like the aforementioned MAC II, Gnerls, Power Armour, etc, things that might be in Wave 2 or 3 or whatever, and however many weeks or months it takes to get to them.

Yeah, I'm looking at Showdown (is 2x Battle Cry). Reckless is too rich for me (unless you want to put in for me, TalonZahn? )

Assuming I upgrade to Showdown, the add-ons are likely to be more than I can afford/be willing to add on as extras, especially since I can get them later at retail for not much more. At a stretch I might go for Armoured Valkyries as well, but that's simply because of loving the things when I was young. Which I guess is the same motivation for being in this KS at all.

I know that Reckless doesn't get everything but since I went in for $1000.00 I got Reckless and the other $480 was for multiples of the other stuff you listed.

So crayon a little bit, but I agree with what you're saying.

Az I would but I do have to save some money for when I do finally get fed up with this place and move to Australia like I keep swearing I will.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I know that Reckless doesn't get everything but since I went in for $1000.00...

As the kids say:

O.o

I know I appreciate all the cool stuff they unlocked for my paltry pledge!

 Alpharius wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
I know that Reckless doesn't get everything but since I went in for $1000.00...

As the kids say:

O.o

I can't express in words how much I love Robotech, lol. To me, that amount on these minis is nothing.

Even more when compared to the amount of GW stuff I've collected over the years.

I had to have full units of everything, at least, in the KS. There's a good chance that total will go up on the Pledge Manager too.

If they don't toss in the "Con" minis that we begged for during the KS, I will travel to a Con for those alone.

I really hope for answers to three questions (at the moment) before the PM goes live. Or during it, at the absolute latest;

1) Can backers buy the Gencon figures?

2) From what we've seen, the figures are going to be released in waves, so any (even tentative) details they have on that.

3) Confirmation that the backer boxes will be shipped with everything at the same time. It's what I'm assuming to be the case, but it'd be good to know for certain. Especially depending on what we hear regarding point #2.

... plus everything else everyone wants to know.

And while I'm at it, I'd like a pony.

Noir wrote:

 Balance wrote:

Cypher-xv wrote:
At least it wasn't Kev S coming out saying its awesome and we'll love it. Really, that's for me and everybody else to decide. Talking about how the rules are tight yet many folks on the PB forums want a rules overhaul since its the same system for 30+ years. Tight indeed.

Are they sating the RT rules are tight, or the Palaldium RPG system is tight? The RT system is an unknown (at least to me) and is hopefully at least in playtest. The Plaadium System has been around for decades and really hasn't advanced since the 80s. It worked reasonably well for TMNT, but not nearly as well for the 1st edition Robotech RPG.

Just hope ND has 100% control over the rules. That way they will be playable. If KS is involved in the rules we will end up with PB, as a stat for a mecha miniature game.

The preview rules reminds me of the combat in the 1st Ed book. Not to say rule for rule just some of the flavor.

So far I am on the hook for a Showdown, extra Super Valks, Extra arty pods, 2 VF-4's, and a VEF-1.. If funding allows I am going to up to Reckless and 2 VF-4's, 1 VEF-1, and a Monster

It'll be interesting to see how strong the sales remain post release. Obviously they have 5.5k'ish of us hooked, but globally that's a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers they'd need to hold even occasional tournaments in major metropolitan centers.

And while I'm not much of a tournament player, the right price and incentive(s) could see me snagging a seat every so often.

Can't wait to play this game. Been watching Robotech Macross Saga all evening.

Mat

Currently in for Battlecry with extra super valks, armored battloids, gnerls, and the resin SDF-1. Seriously considering spending the extra $30 to upgrade to Showdown so I can skip the extra super valks and gnerls and then adding $20 more for the SDF-1 and calling it good. Maybe just biting the bullet, hitting $300 and getting the armored battloids still.

From their latest murmur on the Palladium website:

Robotech® RPG Tactics™ is hot! You know you have something hot when almost anything you say or do with that product line creates a buzz. We announced in our Gen Con Blast email that the above pair of game pieces would be available for sale at Gen Con, and people went wild. Note: For those of you who have been asking, we have not decided if we’ll be offering these figures for sale to the Kickstarter participants in the upcoming Robotech® Kickstarter Pledge Manger. We’ll discuss the possibility and consider it, but no promises.

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=139831

Congratulations, Palladium! If you offer the minis as convention only exclusives, you'll get $15 from the Robotech fanboy in me which will end up costing me closer to $25 since I'll have to pay a friend to buy Max and mail it to me. You'll also lose out on the over $150 I've saved up on paypal for extra add-ons with your delayed pledge manager as the consumer advocate and minis wargamer in me is disgusted that you'd take for granted the people who just gave you over $1.4 million with this douche move. Do the right thing, Palladium. Learn from your history of taking your fans for granted that led you to almost close your doors in the recent past and cost you so many customers over the years.

Warboss, I tend to agree. Don't screw the initial backers. Once the game is released, con exclusive models will be ok. But as a back who dropped some substantial bank (upfront), I do not expect to be left in the lurch.

That said, I think I was Showdown, plus extras I had targeted. I don't even remember. I'll figure it out once the pledge manager hits.

Did you email them about it, Warboss? I'm just curious if they tell a different story when responding personally.

Or if they just ignore their backers' emails.

I've posted my thoughts both on their forums and in both the general and update specific comments with no reply to any of many complaints posted about this ungrateful move. I don't have an issue with ANY con exclusives after the KS is delivered... I don't have an issue with KS models being offered early in metal as a con exclusive like at Adepticon... I do have a problem with raising $1.4 million and then taking the most asked about and undelivered mini and announcing that you're excluding the people who just gave you that money from getting it only the week after you've gotten the last of their money.

At least they made the announcement before the pledge manager came out so that I can vote with my wallet and not add anything to my pledge.

I won't be particularly happy with a No, but I'm glad that they've finally addressed the matter publicly. No, I'm not mollified entirely, that 6 weeks of radio silence from the campaign as a whole, and the weeks of grak, frak, etc stirred up by announcing the figures and letting the opposite sides of the matter each each other alive wasn't helpful, but it's a small start back on the right path.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

Also, as I've posted on the PB forums (where some guy has some truly unique opinions about games stores and MSRP), two more shops have begun listing RRT products;

http://www.frpgames.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=3847

http://paizo.com/products/btpy8zz3?Robotech-RPG-Tactics-Main-Boxed-Game

The former has a similar pricing structure to the first shop I listed a few posts ago, the latter has the same MSRP but isn't selling at quite as steep a discount.

Seems to corroborate what we heard about the MSRPs.

Ultimately, a low entry price for a game from a company with such a bad rep may make the kickstarter backers feel less special but is good for the game overall post kickstarter. Despite my misgivings about a multitude of post kickstarter news and general public inactivity, I don't have a problem with the MSRPs being close to the KS add on prices in most cases. I was even fine with their temporarily posted MSRP prices during the KS as well and that was before I became jaded with the recent events. Forar, for your own sanity, I'd recommend giving the fanboys a rest over on the official boards and the KS comments. You won't get through to the shields to maximum defenders and even the jaded ones like Jorel are seemingly impervious to common sense.

I think you misunderstand, I'm just giving people a heads up in general, so we can all make better informed choices when the PM goes live. I had a hunch the prices we were getting weren't far off from MSRP back during the campaign, and am in no way put out by the numbers we're starting to see. If anything, it's good to know that we don't have to gamble everything on the KS campaign due to fears of much higher prices at retail. It's why 2 of the 3 add ons I'm getting aren't available in Wave 1; if I want more Destroids or Battlepods, I know I should be able to get them at a reasonable price locally.

The good deal we got was at the BC tier and higher for all the bonus figures, and (presumably) getting the post Wave 1 stuff before it goes to retail. It really doesn't bother me to get a minor discount when there's a couple hundred bucks in extra models rounding out that tier.

As for the PB fanboys, Jorel is the fanboyiest of the fanboys, but when he's not lashing out at a company with one post and giving them loving tongue baths with another, he can be pretty reasonable.

This one guy claiming to be aiming to open a gaming shop in town, however, is getting called out on the grak spewing from his piehole.

The KS comments have certainly been a battlefield for sanity, but without patting myself on the back so hard I dislocate something, I like to think that I was one of the voices that finally got PB at least thinking about how they'll handle the Max/Miriya figures.

After dealing with so many simply astounding individuals who associate themselves with PB products, I hope all the more that my local crew digs the game. Because I'm sure as hell not going to subject myself to the general community of players at this rate. >.>