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2014/03/20 23:20:26
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Forar wrote: Would you take 90%, which I've seen offered by other campaigns?
While I'm not at that point yet, it does make me appreciate moreso those campaigns that have gone as far as offering to make things right for backers with such significant desire to abandon the project, cut their losses and run.
I'm totally cool with 90%, to be honest, since I think Palladium is going to screw all of us and leave us with a) an unusable product or b) absolutely nothing. I'm thinking about starting a Facebook group for those of us who are frustrated with this Kickstarter. Anyone who's interested in helping out, feel free to send me a PM.
This would not be dedicated to moaning and complaining, but rather finding a constructive and effective strategy to use our collective displeasure to get refunds for this project.
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I don't think it will work, but I wish you the best with it. I posted right on their facebook that it was shameful when they refused your money back, and everyone pretty much just abandoned that update. Nothing ever said from PB. Pretty damn pitiful...
2014/03/21 03:11:46
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Well if anyone is interested in selling let me know what you are wanting to sell and how much you are asking. I will post it on the facebook page where we have many people who were not able to get in that are interested in getting something.
jacobus wrote: I'm curious as to how many folks would be interested in a refund if they could get it. Maybe collectively we could raise enough of a stink to get our money back.
One of the reasons i posted the BBB info on the KS itself.
Sure PB is under no obligation to respond to a BBB complaint, but AGs do pay attention to that sort of stuff.. .and if 5 percent filed a complaint- that would get noticed
2014/03/21 06:10:34
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
PallyDrone wrote: I'm not a mini's guy, just somebody who is enjoying the soap opera of the Robotech Kickstarter fiasco.
Anyone here going to do a Youtube unboxing and review when (ahem or if) you get your first shipment?
and
Amazon reviews...I can't wait to read some of them.
The Kickstarter commentary is brutally enjoyable.
The sad thing is your not the only one. I didn't sign up for this. Entertaining or not. That's what I get for loving Kawamorri's valkyrie designs. It's being discussed on macross world, warseer, FB and some other forums I can't remember. One guy likens the mayhem to a train wreck waiting to happen. Guess what, it just crashed spectacularly. Talk about a perfect storm of incredibly bad pr and project handling.
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2014/03/21 10:16:34
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Forar wrote: Hey guys, want to hear something cheery I just thought of?
That wave two at "the end of the year" (let's be real, probably 2015)?
... might hit Chinese New Year again.
Yes, the "might" here is both sarcastic and blindingly naive. Just sharing a little Thursday morning facepalm!
I was just talking about that very thing in PM a couple of days ago. You know we're going to be right on the money with that one.
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Etna's Vassal wrote: Personally, I just plain want my money back at this point. I'd rather invest in a game that already exists and keeps to a regular release schedule (such as Infinity) than wait forever for this. Not only am I out of luck on the money and time fronts (this was supposed to be a Christmas gift from my wife) but the local interest in the game is pretty much dead too. Not that I'd want to promote this game any more any way. Yeah, I'm butthurt here.
Each and every "update" that PB puts out only serves to demonstrate that they will not be able to deliver on time. Ooh! A render you're revising! Wow! A pre-production mini! None of these things are convincing me that they are getting any closer to the final product. There are no sprues of parts to show off. There is no printing of the rulebook to tease us with. Their last update before the pictures of the billion-part mecha was a blast marker? Pathetic.
This is made even worse by their claims during the KS that everything was just awaiting approval from Harmony Gold. After that, straight to China for production! Well, turns out that that claim was just a big a pile of bull .
Angryrant over. Who wants to take bets on which of the KS projects I backed will deliver first? Robotech or DreadBall Xtreme?
You'll get DBX's first wave on time. Some of it will be mispacked, miscast or missing though. It will take at least a year to get the subsequent waves and then all of the subsequent mispacks, miscasts and missings.
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jacobus wrote: I'm curious as to how many folks would be interested in a refund if they could get it. Maybe collectively we could raise enough of a stink to get our money back.
I'd be in on that.
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PallyDrone wrote: I'm not a mini's guy, just somebody who is enjoying the soap opera of the Robotech Kickstarter fiasco.
Anyone here going to do a Youtube unboxing and review when (ahem or if) you get your first shipment?
and
Amazon reviews...I can't wait to read some of them.
The Kickstarter commentary is brutally enjoyable.
The sad thing is your not the only one. I didn't sign up for this. Entertaining or not. That's what I get for loving Kawamorri's valkyrie designs. It's being discussed on macross world, warseer, FB and some other forums I can't remember. One guy likens the mayhem to a train wreck waiting to happen. Guess what, it just crashed spectacularly. Talk about a perfect storm of incredibly bad pr and project handling.
Just saw GAMA pix.
Hell those are more than gaps, more like gapes. Yeah I know some folks like looking at gapes, but sheesh. It's not just that one model either.
Paint will surely cover those gaps...yeah...maybe if you dip them in latex house paint a couple times. Just saying,
Again...Palladium seems to be a big fan of the Con exclusive with the Mac unveiling.
Will folks be really mad if folks at Gen Con or walking off the street get the game before backers?
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2014/03/21 12:11:16
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
People were extremely frustrated with max and Miriya.
Understandable a stance as it might be for a business to take, I think "launching at gencon" while the backer boxes are still on a ship or in a warehouse would lead to rioting.
But I can already see the update. "Palladium books, at great expense, has procured a couple hundred core boxes for sale at Gencon. Totally not because we'll be getting the max amount of money per box we'll ever see and know con attendees spend money like they breathe, but because we're just do dedicated to you. The fans. Except backers who are also fans. Feth those guys and gals.
See you at Gencon and keep gaming!"
2014/03/21 12:43:06
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Forar wrote: People were extremely frustrated with max and Miriya.
Understandable a stance as it might be for a business to take, I think "launching at gencon" while the backer boxes are still on a ship or in a warehouse would lead to rioting.
But I can already see the update. "Palladium books, at great expense, has procured a couple hundred core boxes for sale at Gencon. Totally not because we'll be getting the max amount of money per box we'll ever see and know con attendees spend money like they breathe, but because we're just do dedicated to you. The fans. Except backers who are also fans. Feth those guys and gals.
See you at Gencon and keep gaming!"
You know it's gonna happen. They're going to have, like you said 100 boxes either airmailed or brought with them from the warehouse (if they just arrived) and handed out with much fanfare and hype. A triumph in their own minds.
2014/03/21 13:05:03
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Forar wrote: People were extremely frustrated with max and Miriya.
Understandable a stance as it might be for a business to take, I think "launching at gencon" while the backer boxes are still on a ship or in a warehouse would lead to rioting.
But I can already see the update. "Palladium books, at great expense, has procured a couple hundred core boxes for sale at Gencon. Totally not because we'll be getting the max amount of money per box we'll ever see and know con attendees spend money like they breathe, but because we're just do dedicated to you. The fans. Except backers who are also fans. Feth those guys and gals.
See you at Gencon and keep gaming!"
I am kinda expecting this very thing to happen.
I had done advanced orders or subscriptions and noticed most retailers make the mistake of treating those who have already paid as a sale already done so they need to focus on the new sales and give their stores or events preference by shipping to them first.
Things are sufficiently forgotten about the contract of people nice enough to give their money early should receive some agreed perks for doing so.
The price break from the kickstarter is looking less and less like a deal when the time of receiving the models is increasingly more important to me (and I can review them prior to buying which is not to be underestimated).
I am now sufficiently jaded that in most cases that this may be my last Kickstarter I would back and just say "See you when you have a completed product at retail.".
I am tired of letting people play with my money and feel they can change the agreement at any time (what is with this world of "entitlement" we are living in anyway??)
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2014/03/21 13:18:32
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Mike1975 wrote: Well if anyone is interested in selling let me know what you are wanting to sell and how much you are asking. I will post it on the facebook page where we have many people who were not able to get in that are interested in getting something.
Mike_Arnold_1975@hotmail.com
I hate dealing with anything like that online plus my FLGS has already stated they'd buy mine from me on arrival.
2014/03/21 13:20:26
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Wow...the Tomahawk, my favorite destroid has a gap on it's back I can fit my thumbnail in.
And these mini's are 'cleaned up' from the guys at the factory.
Yikes!
2014/03/21 14:21:07
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Those seems run from barely there to grand canyon. The Tomahawk ... you can fit a quarter into the gap along its back. The gnerl ... a god-awful seem running straight down the middle (you are stuck staring at it). A seem down the missile pod. Sure, but don't make it look like the damn malfunctioned (with that gap have smoke coming from it and you have some battle damage...then use the missiles). The final figs of the sprue need to be much better; especially with the piece count we are already looking at.
Also, the guy on Mike's facebook page that is viciously defending these minis to the point of attacking peoples' work ethics and modeling ability is pissing me off. I put a lot of work into each of my minis and go through all the motions. Some of these Robotech figures have to be better down the road...no questions. But to say that I am just being lazy (and with what 14-16 pieces, this will already be a chore for a mass-battle game) or that I just don't know what I am doing, that is unacceptable to me and is white knighting at its finest (at least in my limited experience).
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Dark Angels- 7500 pts Tau- 5000pts Chaos Daemons- 3000/2000 pts Dark Eldar(allies)- 1500 pts Zoom, Zoom, Iyaan.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I just watched a battleship falling in love with a man.... yep. That's enough anime for the day.
2014/03/21 14:59:58
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Those GAMA pics look a lot like the prototypes they had back at GAMA 2013 and Gencon (not all of them, these are either primed or a darker material than I recall some of the GC stuff being), but they might not necessarily be representative of the actual figures as mass produced (good or bad).
Yes, yes, giving them the benefit of the doubt seems strange here to me too, but it's worth noting that the recent GAMA pics, best I can tell and from what the article reads, might not actually mean anything other than "we've had sculptors totally making some hot prototypes".
Which is a frustrating place to be; they'll laud the quality and how awesome and exciting and happy everyone is for them, but gloss over any critique with "oh, but that'll be fixed in production".
*jazz hands*
2014/03/21 15:19:11
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Ironwill13791 wrote: Those seems run from barely there to grand canyon. The Tomahawk ... you can fit a quarter into the gap along its back. The gnerl ... a god-awful seem running straight down the middle (you are stuck staring at it). A seem down the missile pod. Sure, but don't make it look like the damn malfunctioned (with that gap have smoke coming from it and you have some battle damage...then use the missiles). The final figs of the sprue need to be much better; especially with the piece count we are already looking at.
Also, the guy on Mike's facebook page that is viciously defending these minis to the point of attacking peoples' work ethics and modeling ability is pissing me off. I put a lot of work into each of my minis and go through all the motions. Some of these Robotech figures have to be better down the road...no questions. But to say that I am just being lazy (and with what 14-16 pieces, this will already be a chore for a mass-battle game) or that I just don't know what I am doing, that is unacceptable to me and is white knighting at its finest (at least in my limited experience).
Who's this Mike you speak of? Remember I'm not even a wannabe...
Also, my girlfriend, who has been wondering why I'm so interested in all the Robotech drama and I stupidly tried to explain to her the in's and outs of the current net fiasco drama storm.
She was immediately bored...then said something I found incredibly funny...
In a normal tone, deadpan, with no inflection, "Well it appears Palladium has a crack problem."
Yeah...yeah...a crack problem. That explains it.
They've been hitting that pipe too hard.
I have this image of a cracked out Kevin S. decked out in Palladium gang colors grabbing his junk and saying, "Yeah bitches, I got yer seams right here!" He then flashes some gold rings and a diamond encrusted pendant that says "GLITTERYBOY!" and starts throwing hundred dollar bills in the air as ghetto hunnies start Robo-twerkin'.
Hey Palladium is from Detroit, the home of ICP, Eminem and Kid Rock.
2014/03/21 15:32:52
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Ironwill13791 wrote: Those seems run from barely there to grand canyon. The Tomahawk ... you can fit a quarter into the gap along its back. The gnerl ... a god-awful seem running straight down the middle (you are stuck staring at it). A seem down the missile pod. Sure, but don't make it look like the damn malfunctioned (with that gap have smoke coming from it and you have some battle damage...then use the missiles). The final figs of the sprue need to be much better; especially with the piece count we are already looking at.
Also, the guy on Mike's facebook page that is viciously defending these minis to the point of attacking peoples' work ethics and modeling ability is pissing me off. I put a lot of work into each of my minis and go through all the motions. Some of these Robotech figures have to be better down the road...no questions. But to say that I am just being lazy (and with what 14-16 pieces, this will already be a chore for a mass-battle game) or that I just don't know what I am doing, that is unacceptable to me and is white knighting at its finest (at least in my limited experience).
Who's this Mike you speak of? Remember I'm not even a wannabe...
Also, my girlfriend, who has been wondering why I'm so interested in all the Robotech drama and I stupidly tried to explain to her the in's and outs of the current net fiasco drama storm.
She was immediately bored...then said something I found incredibly funny...
In a normal tone, deadpan, with no inflection, "Well it appears Palladium has a crack problem."
Yeah...yeah...a crack problem. That explains it.
They've been hitting that pipe too hard.
I have this image of a cracked out Kevin S. decked out in Palladium gang colors grabbing his junk and saying, "Yeah bitches, I got yer seams right here!" He then flashes some gold rings and a diamond encrusted pendant that says "GLITTERYBOY!" and starts throwing hundred dollar bills in the air as ghetto hunnies start Robo-twerkin'.
Hey Palladium is from Detroit, the home of ICP, Eminem and Kid Rock.
Mike1975. He has a Robotech RPG Tactics facebook page that he administrates.
Dark Angels- 7500 pts Tau- 5000pts Chaos Daemons- 3000/2000 pts Dark Eldar(allies)- 1500 pts Zoom, Zoom, Iyaan.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I just watched a battleship falling in love with a man.... yep. That's enough anime for the day.
2014/03/21 15:40:39
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
The pix are mostly recycled content and the updates never have much to say?
OH SNAP!
Eh, when it's something pertinent I try to copy/paste it over, but it's been months since they were much more than "got 3d printed prototype pieces in, they look great, love them, here's 4 photos".
2014/03/21 16:35:46
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Alpharius wrote: This thread always seems to lack The Pics and the Official Updates.
Why is that?
Just curious!
I can't speak for anyone else but I just don't have the enthusiasm to go through with the effort for the project for a long while now. While the sky isn't falling (yet) as we technically don't have the final products shown in ABS plastic, it's been a 8 month long string of fails IMO since the KS ended that has largely eroded the good will the KS campaign generated. Rules? Haven't seen an official update since June-ish. Minis? Ugly seams across most of them. Delivery date? Sliding back faster than we move forward. Promotion? Contests that were a day late (6 months) and a dollar short (1 winner instead of multiples). Communication? Well, at least it's regular now unlike the first 6 months but the content of that communication (see above) isn't rosey. Maybe things will be fine and the rules, minis, and support won't suck when it comes out at some later date likely in the fall (for wave 1... Wave 2 will likely be pushed to 2015)... but I'm just holding my breath nor will I be a source of free promotion for it in the meantime like before.
2014/03/21 16:52:27
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
So the Spartan looks crap, we knew that.
Tomahawk looks kinda OK from the front, except for the missile pod covers (leg split seams aren't good, but aren't horrible). But the upper rear torso (that place most players will be staring at) seam is pretty bad.
Defender looked decent, but seemed blurry, so couldn't see details, let alone seams.
Phalanx, noticeable but not too bad seams on the legs, bad seam up the front of the torso.
Phalanx Experimantal, Seams on the legs are worse, seams on the torso are horrible, as are the ones on the ordnance packs are worse, until you see the one on the back.
The Gnerl is OMG craptastic "we just split the 3D model in down the middle vertically".
Most of the other Zentradi don't look bad, but we don't get closeups of those.
Monster looks OK, noticeable but not bad leg seams, but again, no closeup.
So the only ones that looked OK (Defender, non Gnerl Zents, Monster) were the ones that weren't given close examination.
Yay.
2014/03/21 17:12:42
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
Alpharius wrote: This thread always seems to lack The Pics and the Official Updates.
Why is that?
Just curious!
I can't speak for anyone else but I just don't have the enthusiasm to go through with the effort for the project for a long while now. While the sky isn't falling (yet) as we technically don't have the final products shown in ABS plastic, it's been a 8 month long string of fails IMO since the KS ended that has largely eroded the good will the KS campaign generated. Rules? Haven't seen an official update since June-ish. Minis? Ugly seams across most of them. Delivery date? Sliding back faster than we move forward. Promotion? Contests that were a day late (6 months) and a dollar short (1 winner instead of multiples). Communication? Well, at least it's regular now unlike the first 6 months but the content of that communication (see above) isn't rosey. Maybe things will be fine and the rules, minis, and support won't suck when it comes out at some later date likely in the fall (for wave 1... Wave 2 will likely be pushed to 2015)... but I'm just holding my breath nor will I be a source of free promotion for it in the meantime like before.
That's pretty much what I thought was the driving force behind the lack of pics and 'Official Update CopyPastas'.
Totally understandable, too.
I just took a quick look at that YouTube video but... the models didn't look that bad to me. Am I just not seeing something and/or paying enough attention?
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That's what I get for loving Kawamorri's valkyrie designs. It's being discussed on macross world, warseer, 
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