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 warboss wrote:
factory workers managed to assemble the minis better than Palladium did.

Sad isn't it?


I agree with test pieces not being a measure of "in production" it's close but still not the finalized product that customers will see in their hands, which is what items I'd consider by in production. But when dealing with Palladium Double Speak TM what they really, really, want is more important then actual reality. If reality ever runs counter to the decrees handed out by Kevin (or his official mouth piece) then we clearly misheard or misunderstood the earlier statements, even if it was presented in type. Infallibility has it's rewards.

 warboss wrote:

It might be semantics but for me something that is still in flux ("making the last changes") isn't in production. When the very first sprue intended for sale pops out of the machine, that is "in production" for me but I'm not a 98% rainbow final fart kind of guy. As for rushing the RDF, eh... I can't muster up anything more than "whatever" at this point. It's progress. It'll never be what it was hyped and what we were supposedly sold but some physical preproduction prototype is still better than just a render or low quality 3d print. At least those evil nameless communist chinese horde factory workers managed to assemble the minis better than Palladium did.

I one hundred percent agree.

Let's say, maybe the VF was not ready to be popped out of the mold and into a Robotech box, how the hell do they claim it's "In Production!"?

They're sick in the head. Seriously, no rainbow sarcasm, mentally impaired.

Also, if running test sprue means it's in production - hasn't it been in that state for a long time already? This is bull.

These will look wonderful next to my Mantic Men at Arms.

 Kendachi wrote:

 warboss wrote:

It might be semantics but for me something that is still in flux ("making the last changes") isn't in production. When the very first sprue intended for sale pops out of the machine, that is "in production" for me but I'm not a 98% rainbow final fart kind of guy. As for rushing the RDF, eh... I can't muster up anything more than "whatever" at this point. It's progress. It'll never be what it was hyped and what we were supposedly sold but some physical preproduction prototype is still better than just a render or low quality 3d print. At least those evil nameless communist chinese horde factory workers managed to assemble the minis better than Palladium did.

I one hundred percent agree.

Let's say, maybe the VF was not ready to be popped out of the mold and into a Robotech box, how the hell do they claim it's "In Production!"?

Oh, come now. You KNOW the VF is one of, if not the only one, to not be ready. Because they'd be shouting it from the rooftops if it was ready. That they could have gotten this deep into the project, and NOT made the most iconic figure in the game the very first frikkin priority, just reeks of classic Palladium. And that crap is STILL being tweaked (including the printed material)... words fail me.

How they intend to "ship out containers as they're produced" will work when not everything is in production, seems like another bit of statement without real substance.

 Kendachi wrote:
They're sick in the head. Seriously, no rainbow sarcasm, mentally impaired.

Also, if running test sprue means it's in production - hasn't it been in that state for a long time already? This is bull.

Of course it is. But it's also par for the course. As is any delay from here on out being someone else's fault. "We spent literally 12 months dicking around with this project, gave the production/shipping guys an unrealistic schedule with a hard deadline, and if it's late due to unforseen errors (those being any we wished wouldn't happen, but were kinda expected), it's on them!".

On the actual pictures, the hips may just be a positioning thing, but the seemingly missing warhead on the missile pod just looks meh. It looks like someone printed it up with 12 warheads, someone else pointed out it was supposed to be 11 as per canon, and one was just deleted from the sculpt, without any effort to make it look better. I also find the top of head thing to be much bigger than I expected. Looks like it's actually about right, but most pictures I'd seen prior, based on perspective, made it look more understated. And I don't recall the original BT Longbow having it at all (BT is my first reference for things Robotech).

FYI the "heads" on those models are spotlights. The pilot is in the chest and has little tank like driver windows/slots which are the detail just below the neck.


The "heads" do look a bit too tall IMO but there's not as many toys or models to compare it with as it's one of the less popular destroid options.


Reference can vary a lot, this model looks more "right" to me. The lenses are more rectangular, while the RRT model has square lenses which makes the head appear thinner and exaggerates the height even more.









The missile spacing they feth-ed up on, even their 25+ year old rpg art has the missles arranged tightly together:




Still from the show with alt head:

Wait, the backs of the rocket pods are thrusters? I never noticed that! Or is that some kind of gas exhaust vent, like "Don't stand behind a bazooka" type thing?

If so, it seems pretty excessive, wot?

If not, I wonder if changing to the experimental configuration affects their mobility.

Why does that blue one have the girl from DAICON on its chest?

and incase anyone hasn't seen the amazing Daicon III & IV opening videos..

Those are vents on the rear of the launchers, supposed to help redirect the rocket exhaust when it's being fired enmass.


The girl is one of the easter eggs they hid in the film from the previous animations that Studio Nue did prior to Macross, there's also a brief glimpse of the mech from Orguss Flyer and one of the Zentreadi cruisers has the Captian Harlock crest on it's prow. It's a super short shot so it's easy to miss but it has the skull and crossbones are on it.





Signature mech from a different series, but offered as a RRT mini





There's a few mecha in there that technically aren't part of the Macross/Robotech cannon that HG and PB decided they now have the rights to simply because it appeared on 2-3 seconds of film within the series, and they wonder why the Japanese companies dislike them and won't budge on releasing newer Macross stuff in partnership. They got crapped on by HG stealing the Macross trademark and series rights.

Didn't realize Studio Nue did III, Gainax did IV.

I had known about the Arcadia being in it before, along with a few other easter eggs... like the beer can missile in DYRL.

 paulson games wrote:
FYI the "heads" on those models are spotlights. The pilot is in the chest and has little tank like driver windows/slots which are the detail just below the neck.


The "heads" do look a bit too tall IMO but there's not as many toys or models to compare it with as it's one of the less popular destroid options.


Reference can vary a lot, this model looks more "right" to me. The lenses are more rectangular, while the RRT model has square lenses which makes the head appear thinner and exaggerates the height even more.









The missile spacing they feth-ed up on, even their 25+ year old rpg art has the missles arranged tightly together:




Still from the show with alt head:

I always wondered if the girl on the chest was from another anime. Anyone notice the destroid on the left says mari ijima. Obviously before her I'm not Minmay years. Not sure if the armoured valk says itano. If it does it would be appropriate.

Has anyone else gotten a chuckle out of the Ninja Division FB?

Most of the updates get less than 10 likes, some of the SDE stuff less than 20...

... Robotech? 150! Or more.

I dunno, just interesting. Perhaps there's more lingering interest in the project than I thought. Maybe ND should take note.

More to the point, maybe PB should.

No matter how tightly they hold onto the IP and the project, ND's responses curry a lot more favour on a site only a fraction of the backer base sees, compared to the actual updates that go out to all 5k+ of us. That's not just telling, it's outright damning.

Forar, stop trying to apply logic/business sense to PB. You could end up in some kind of mental loop causing brain meltdown.

The last update including the murmurs sounded like complete BS since they keep talking about tweaks and final changes. So which is it? I wish Kevin would step down or sell PB. Although I think the only reason he hasn't done it yet is because his fan friends are his only friends. Aaahhh. :(

Truly, I have gazed into the abyss, and the fan-friends gazed back.

 Forar wrote:
Truly, I have gazed into the abyss, and the fan-friends gazed back.

Are we really here?

Really?

We're here all right. It's just unfortunate that out Robotech goodness is long, long, ago, in a galaxy far, far away. :(

I know let's space fold back to 1984. We can also find Kevin and give him a head start on rainbow sniffing. It's way more potent than warp dust.

I propose this banner in Kevin's office:
We "knew" a commercial release would happen before a backer one right?
They "have" our money so why not pursue more?
Seen this with other companies when I "pre-order" so I do not do that anymore (including/especially Steam).
This does not mean I will let it go since we were promised high and low that would not happen.
Only time these turkeys are getting money up-front from me ever again (will not even honor replacement for delivery damage).
Anyway, will try to quietly wait.

Wait... are you gak'ing on Steam?

Thems fightin' words!

Unless you just mean never pre-ordering hot titles at the usual 10% off because it'll probably be 20-50% off during the next big sale. That I can totally agree with.

Only game I'm really keeping an eye on these days is the Stick of Truth, and that went down from $60 to 40 during the sale, which is still more than I'm willing to pay at the moment (got some bills that need attending to first). Some games have been worth it though; X-Com and Bioshock Infinite I didn't regret paying 'near full price' for in the least, as examples.

But man, Activision just does not understand how to Steam Sale. Oooh, I've played Modern Warfare 1 and 2, and I see the others in the line are for sale... why the hell is Black Ops still $40 ($20 on sale)?? It's over 3.5 years old! And since I don't do the multiplayer, I'm not paying them $20 for a 4 hour single player "campaign".

... that got a little ranty.

 Forar wrote:
Wait... are you gak'ing on Steam?
Thems fightin' words!
Unless you just mean never pre-ordering hot titles at the usual 10% off because it'll probably be 20-50% off during the next big sale. That I can totally agree with.

Look up "Godus" and "Aliens vs. Predator" never bet on any horse I do.
Made me feel good when "totalbiscuit (Tom Bain)" had a big rant on them (wish he could review Palladium).
My main beef is games still in development never quite living up to their target or games on pre-order where the "demo video" looks nothing like the actual game.
I really hate when companies play with my money and have trouble with "do what you say, say what you do". Still staying somewhat on topic!

Only game I'm really keeping an eye on these days is the Stick of Truth, and that went down from $60 to 40 during the sale, which is still more than I'm willing to pay at the moment (got some bills that need attending to first). Some games have been worth it though; X-Com and Bioshock Infinite I didn't regret paying 'near full price' for in the least, as examples.

I have no argument with you on the titles mentioned there...
Those three titles were big hits despite many elements of worry, they listened to fans and were very careful to get what the fans would like (funny not what they would want in some cases, they did better). The details in both games show a degree of care I have not seen by Palladium.<edit> My round-about way of saying they DESERVE the money.

But man, Activision just does not understand how to Steam Sale. Oooh, I've played Modern Warfare 1 and 2, and I see the others in the line are for sale... why the hell is Black Ops still $40 ($20 on sale)?? It's over 3.5 years old! And since I don't do the multiplayer, I'm not paying them $20 for a 4 hour single player "campaign".... that got a little ranty.

Pretty much look up a game, check Metacritic and see if critics and users agree at rating %80+ and put on wishlist, $30 or less if new, less than $20 if greater than a year old. Take a few looks at GOG to see if they have anything (they do surprise!). My method, may not be for everyone.

I wonder if Palladium holds sales? I am a very patient man (or at least learning to be) because of or despite them.

 Talizvar wrote:

I wonder if Palladium holds sales? I am a very patient man (or at least learning to be) because of or despite them.

Almost never.... most of the deals to be had with them are through the yearly Christmas grab bags where you can *request* items from a certain line but there is no guarantee that you'll get most or all of them. That said... they just had a series of weekly 50% off sales for the past month or so that end either this week or ended last week to make room in the warehouse for robotech storage/package/shipping. If you had asked the question about a month earlier, you might have gotten a better answer. The sale is actually one of the sources of worries because one of their best customers (a guy who buys MULTIPLE copies of books) bought a bunch, paid their exorbitant shipping, and got products damaged in the mail to which palladium washed their hand of. I hope they don't take that attitude with potential missing and/or damaged Robotech items as well.

 warboss wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

I wonder if Palladium holds sales? I am a very patient man (or at least learning to be) because of or despite them.

Almost never.... most of the deals to be had with them are through the yearly Christmas grab bags where you can *request* items from a certain line but there is no guarantee that you'll get most or all of them. That said... they just had a series of weekly 50% off sales for the past month or so that end either this week or ended last week to make room in the warehouse for robotech storage/package/shipping. If you had asked the question about a month earlier, you might have gotten a better answer. The sale is actually one of the sources of worries because one of their best customers (a guy who buys MULTIPLE copies of books) bought a bunch, paid their exorbitant shipping, and got products damaged in the mail to which palladium washed their hand of. I hope they don't take that attitude with potential missing and/or damaged Robotech items as well.

If that wasn't bad enough the artist who did the cover art for NG 1/2 dissed him on the forums. I think NMI locked or deleted the thread. A year or two earlier Kevin himself dissed the same customer in one of his murmurs. Then in another murmur he disses another loyal customer for simply creating a FB page to show it won't take months to make a FB page. So from Kevin on down they go off on those who don't buy the BS. Heck one guy just got dissed for making one harmless critic. One of the freelancers went off on the poster and that poster just got banned for his critic. It's nuts. It really is like a cult. Kevin = Jim jones.

We can only hope it ends as well.

ND just posted pics of the plastic valk. It's not cleaned up but I can see the seams on the legs and the the fighter version looks stubby. At least the nose does. Sorry I can't post pics. Damn tablet.lol

I wish ND would redo the vf-1. :(

Thanks for the update. I'll post the links after a quick google search.



I rather like the details, pose, and sharpness of the nose. My only possible quibbles would be if there is sufficient variety of poses in each form (IIRC the kickstarter promo pics showed at least 3-4 basic poses for valkyries) and if the detail grooves have enough depth. If you basecoat and paint them, if the grooves aren't deep enough then you'll lose some of the detail with paint. All in all, the pics raise my hopes a bit for the RDF beyond just "meh" set by the revised spartan (and obviously above the "well, that sucks" of January's spartangate "almost perfect" minis).

Given that their last newsletter was a week ago today, and the last update was 2 weeks ago today, hopefully we'll see both pop up with some new information.

Usual caveats of not expecting it, this is Palladium after all, lawl, etc.

This isn't the official forums. You don't have to worry about "that guy" coming and telling you that every problem possible should have been 100% forseen no matter how boneheadedly stupid and easy to prevent with just plain common sense and that it is your fault for not planning ahead around it.

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Getting some more together - and now vastly improved, WITH reduced part count!

Is it just me or does the Spartan on the right look like he's just given up?

"Sigh. I'm here, shoot me."

Oh, wait - that's us!

I... guess that's as good as it's gonna get. The seams on the valk's arms and legs are really noticeable, and I still think that the collapsed tail on the gerwalk looks pants, but... well, at least they exist.