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One lie is always more convincing than two. Stupid people never figure that out,even when they reach the point of having white hair.

If anyone is going make sure to swing by the booth early and take pictures of just how much stock they actually have, I'm willing to bet it's not going to be a "just couple hundred copies" they need a cash cow and they don't have any books worth selling. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and snake out a thousand+ copies while claiming they only brought a limited amount, as they rightly assume that their sheeple fanboys are too dumb to notice. If the limited amounts is just another lie then they need to be called on it, particularly if they pull a ploy with backers stuff can't get shjpped yet as they "didn't receive enough" which I'm expecting them to drop in an update as soon as Gen Con is finished.

 stanman wrote:
If anyone is going make sure to swing by the booth early and take pictures of just how much stock they actually have, I'm willing to bet it's not going to be a "just couple hundred copies" they need a cash cow and they don't have any books worth selling. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and snake out a thousand+ copies while claiming they only brought a limited amount, as they rightly assume that their sheeple fanboys are too dumb to notice. If the limited amounts is just another lie then they need to be called on it, particularly if they pull a ploy with backers stuff can't get shjpped yet as they "didn't receive enough" which I'm expecting them to drop in an update as soon as Gen Con is finished.

Nice idea. Other one is to stop by after they've sold out (I assume they'll try to ration the total across 4 days) on the first day, and when they say to come back to tomorrow, ask how many there will be. Multiply by four. Ta da!

Has anyone heard what con exclusives they are selling this time?

Nah, they've been rather tight lipped about that so far.

Assuming the molds are still good, another round of "Max" and "Miriya" seem likely.

Last year they announced their Gencon exclusives on June 14th, so their silence on the matter makes me think they know it's a contentious subject, and just don't want to stir the pot anymore than they already have.

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 Forar wrote:
Nah, they've been rather tight lipped about that so far.

Assuming the molds are still good, another round of "Max" and "Miriya" seem likely.

Last year they announced their Gencon exclusives on June 14th, so their silence on the matter makes me think they know it's a contentious subject, and just don't want to stir the pot anymore than they already have.

Thought Kevin Said they were not going to sell any kickstarter Exclusives, problem is just about all the Convention exclusives are Kickstarter exclusives.

Max and Miriya were their Gencon exclusives from last year.

The SDF-1 is the only pure KS exclusive, and the bags may well effectively be KS exclusives if for whatever licensing reason they can't get any more than the shipment they already have. The other KS/Con exclusives don't exist yet.

 Forar wrote:
But they're only bringing a little bit of it, so there's no reason to get all ruffled about it!

What was the Dakka reaction to the miniatures (update 137?)?

We already know the rules are going to be *cough* Palladium, but if the miniatures are more fart than unicorn, that's not going to help retail sales.

Not to speak for anyone (and honestly, it's long, but I recommend reading through the thread, if just to see the dawning horror over the last year and a half), but the general consensus seemed to range between "lol", "wtf", "meh", and "fine".

To hear PB tell it every last person they show the pieces to gushes about how amazing they are, but from the (often bad) pictures we've been shown, the seams and mold lines look a bit obnoxious, the piece counts are awfully high for things that are only 1.25 to 3 inches tall, and de-spru'ing/cleaning/assembling/more cleaning of these things is going to eat up a lot of time, especially since a 'standard' 300 point game calls for dozens of figures (12-50 or so) per side.

It's one thing to take your time assembling a figure for a skirmish size game, and while this is obviously no army scale battle, dozens of mechs are going to take a while unless one is either a prodigious builder, or simply doesn't give a gak.

...and on the KS comments we finally get someone with a good reason to vote yes: They're probably out of money and without selling at Gen Con they probably can't even get the rest of Wave One shipped.

The guy wasn't even one of the regular naysayers from what I can't tell.

Merijeek wrote:
...and on the KS comments we finally get someone with a good reason to vote yes: They're probably out of money and without selling at Gen Con they probably can't even get the rest of Wave One shipped.

The guy wasn't even one of the regular naysayers from what I can't tell.

I really hope this isn't the truth, because if it is I'll be very disappointed in this project and I'd want to see where all the money from the Kickstarter went.

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vitae_drinker wrote:
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Here's the pic that I found that goes with the above.

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a457/cypherxv/4a7882c53e635b2eccb5580147835007_zps6ca950a3.jpg

their on the ship:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/917547?ref=dash

2. We got our first production samples of complete products this morning, and man, do they look great!

That’s all there is to report today, but I’m sure most of you are aware we’ll have another Update in a few days, after we tally up the Gen Con votes. If you haven’t voted yet, please do.

He really creeps me out. I would never buy minis from him out of his white van.

Based on looks alone, I would innately distrust him

In person Kev's actually a really nice guy. Very enthusiastic about everything. I'd never say he was an donkey-cave, or at least one intentionally, he's more like a guy who might aim way too high and refuses to change his behavior. Much to the detriment of fans and everyone around him. He means well.

I live like 5 minutes down the road from Palladium, so I have interacted with him on a few occasions. The Palladium Open House they throw every couple of years is amazing. Hands down the best gaming experience I've ever had. Like 40+ hours of straight on, balls out gaming, hanging and other tomfoolery.

I get that there are fans and there are super fans, but this is overboard:

[Eric Montoya about 3 hours ago
@Rick S. if you do open a lawsuit. it'll be very easy for me to track you down. if I'm forced to do that no one will ever have to suffer another of your posts again. purge day!]

Creepy

I hope someone reported that post to Kickstarter.

The very opposite of polite and considerate.

Yeah, that gak is way over the line.

Rick may be a donkey cave, but that doesn't justify threats of violence.

Could this be our ship?
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/566748000

So, we're told that pro-paint and build jobs are underway so we can see what the mini's are really made of, so to speak.

Any painting / modelling pros or those who know them, have an ask around - I'd like to identify who's doing the work. No spoilers needed (so no real breach of NDA to worry about) I just want to know who's doing it.

So assuming that is the ship the container is on (not a bad assumption)...

Dock ~8pm 7/31. Unloading takes about 10 hours, so 6am 8/1.
From internet searches, customs takes about a week to clear. So 8/8 it gets loaded on a truck.
~35h non-stop on a truck, assuming no traffic. We're at 5pm 8/9.
They're going to want to leave for Gencon on the 13th so they can get there and prep the booth for opening on the 14th. That gives them 3 days to get the container unloaded, contents verified, and whatever they're taking to gencon loaded in their truck. Plus sleep. And write blog posts.

And that's assuming there are no delays in transit, no delays unloading the ship, no delays with customs, no delays with the transport company, etc. That's a really tight deadline.

...and you're forgetting that the pictures showed sprues being tossed into boxes. So, if they're planning on assembling actual retail-like packages there's that, too.

True. I'd say they're already late enough not to have product in the booth on the 14th, but maybe the 15th. At the expense of backers, of course - because that'd delay getting the backer boxes packed and shipped.

rigeld2 wrote:
True. I'd say they're already late enough not to have product in the booth on the 14th, but maybe the 15th. At the expense of backers, of course - because that'd delay getting the backer boxes packed and shipped.

That would imply that Simbieda lied. That's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!

Merijeek wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
True. I'd say they're already late enough not to have product in the booth on the 14th, but maybe the 15th. At the expense of backers, of course - because that'd delay getting the backer boxes packed and shipped.

That would imply that Simbieda lied. That's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!

Bah. You know that they'd make sure two orders get fulfilled and shipped before they do anything else. Probably Boobytrap levels, with no extras. Why two? So they can claim backers (plural) had theirs shipped before it was sold at GenCon.

Personally, I'm surprised they haven't started shipping the 81 Homecoming and Battle Hymn art pledges (unless there are none without miniature components, so they can already make that claim. What's the holdup on those, I wonder?

Morgan Vening wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
True. I'd say they're already late enough not to have product in the booth on the 14th, but maybe the 15th. At the expense of backers, of course - because that'd delay getting the backer boxes packed and shipped.

That would imply that Simbieda lied. That's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!

Bah. You know that they'd make sure two orders get fulfilled and shipped before they do anything else. Probably Boobytrap levels, with no extras. Why two? So they can claim backers (plural) had theirs shipped before it was sold at GenCon.

Personally, I'm surprised they haven't started shipping the 81 Homecoming and Battle Hymn art pledges (unless there are none without miniature components, so they can already make that claim. What's the holdup on those, I wonder?

Why would anyone on earth buy into this for the art?

It's even signed by the great Kevin, so...