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 warboss wrote:
It has already been released IIRC according to the latest update. If you read between the lies, blame game, and marketing speak you'll find it in there.

It's definitely released. And since it generally takes 3-4 days to drive something cross country it should be there by the next time our friend Kevin toots out another rainbow.

Merijeek wrote:

Korias1004 wrote:
Anyone care to get their hands on some of these awesome, mouth watering, high quality miniatures let me know, once wave 1 ships I'll have some for sale..maybe I'll get some Christmas money...lol

This Christmas or next Christmas?

Problem is, I expect even if you got your stuff by this Christmas you'd find a bit of a buyer's market on Ebay for a while.

Whenever, and I have already accepted I'll probably sell at a significant loss, but at this point I don't mind and just want some of mine and my Father's money, whom I sadly got to also back this endeavor. I'll just sink the funding back into GW as stated or MtG.


I think its funny no one has mentioned PB's next excuse for delays of container one shipping. The whole fact that they are just now getting the software and training to use said software for shipping all the rewards... seems very convenient for another 3 week delay at the fault of the inept tech installers, the under delivering power company, technically challenged volunteers handling the orders, etc.

Korias1004 wrote:

Whenever, and I have already accepted I'll probably sell at a significant loss, but at this point I don't mind and just want some of mine and my Father's money, whom I sadly got to also back this endeavor. I'll just sink the funding back into GW as stated or MtG.

While I understand lots of people are angry at delays and such, I still don't understand this aspect. You're getting the models and rules, so where does this desire actually come from? What makes you want to actually ditch the product without having played it?

 judgedoug wrote:

Korias1004 wrote:

Whenever, and I have already accepted I'll probably sell at a significant loss, but at this point I don't mind and just want some of mine and my Father's money, whom I sadly got to also back this endeavor. I'll just sink the funding back into GW as stated or MtG.

While I understand lots of people are angry at delays and such, I still don't understand this aspect. You're getting the models and rules, so where does this desire actually come from? What makes you want to actually ditch the product without having played it?

Because it's nowhere near the quality advertised?

Merijeek wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Korias1004 wrote:

Whenever, and I have already accepted I'll probably sell at a significant loss, but at this point I don't mind and just want some of mine and my Father's money, whom I sadly got to also back this endeavor. I'll just sink the funding back into GW as stated or MtG.

While I understand lots of people are angry at delays and such, I still don't understand this aspect. You're getting the models and rules, so where does this desire actually come from? What makes you want to actually ditch the product without having played it?

Because it's nowhere near the quality advertised?

Which part? The quality of Palladium Books as a company is certainly pretty poor, and opinions are all over the place regarding the models (I personally love the Zentraedi models and the RDF ones are acceptable for that scale, but just my opinion). But quality of models and company have never stopped people from playing 40k or WM/H or Star Trek Attack Wing or Deadzone or Kings of War. Is it the ruleset? I've only read the rules from Gencon a few times and they're quite simple and I'm really looking forward to playing them now. (But that's probably because someone else wrote them, and not Palladium).

 judgedoug wrote:

Which part? The quality of Palladium Books as a company is certainly pretty poor, and opinions are all over the place regarding the models (I personally love the Zentraedi models and the RDF ones are acceptable for that scale, but just my opinion). But quality of models and company have never stopped people from playing 40k or WM/H or Star Trek Attack Wing or Deadzone or Kings of War. Is it the ruleset? I've only read the rules from Gencon a few times and they're quite simple and I'm really looking forward to playing them now. (But that's probably because someone else wrote them, and not Palladium).

...and plenty of people have resold all those models?

Merijeek wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Which part? The quality of Palladium Books as a company is certainly pretty poor, and opinions are all over the place regarding the models (I personally love the Zentraedi models and the RDF ones are acceptable for that scale, but just my opinion). But quality of models and company have never stopped people from playing 40k or WM/H or Star Trek Attack Wing or Deadzone or Kings of War. Is it the ruleset? I've only read the rules from Gencon a few times and they're quite simple and I'm really looking forward to playing them now. (But that's probably because someone else wrote them, and not Palladium).

...and plenty of people have resold all those models?

Okay, so the desire to resell KS pledges is based solely on the perceived quality of miniatures and not on the game's merit itself. That's fine, I was just wondering (especially as the other poster mentioned selling his models specifically to buy GW models, which would be trading one type of low/medium quality for another type of low/medium quality)

 warboss wrote:

 Killionaire wrote:
It also speaks to the cheapness and lack of care when you look at that awful flowerpot terrain, next to the perfectly servicible but cardstock buildings from another, superior company (the Dropzone Commander paper city set)

I like the little flowerpots and was thinking of doing something similar with my DZC cityscape terrain. :(

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

 Platuan4th wrote:

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Yeah, I've started buying a bunch of 1/200-1/300 scale stuff...

http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-15004170-100pcs_painted_model_cars_building_train_layout_scale_n_z_%281_to_200%29_c200-4.html
http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-15002714-100pcs_painted_model_train_people_figures_scale_z_%281_to_200%29.html
http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-15003145-model_tree_train_set_scenery_landscape_ho_n_z_-_25pcs.html

and so on... and from that place I used coupon code SUNTEKSTORE15 to get 15% off if anyone else needs 'em.

Here's the car sizes compared to Battletech (MWO) mechs:

 judgedoug wrote:

Korias1004 wrote:

Whenever, and I have already accepted I'll probably sell at a significant loss, but at this point I don't mind and just want some of mine and my Father's money, whom I sadly got to also back this endeavor. I'll just sink the funding back into GW as stated or MtG.

While I understand lots of people are angry at delays and such, I still don't understand this aspect. You're getting the models and rules, so where does this desire actually come from? What makes you want to actually ditch the product without having played it?

For me, it's about speaking with my wallet. I, personally, like 40k models. It's a ruleset I already know, and after the treatment, not the delays by PB, I no longer have any desire to make any effort to learn the game, assemble their models, which look alright, or, really, give them anymore of my hard earned money. Period.

Korias1004 wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Korias1004 wrote:

Whenever, and I have already accepted I'll probably sell at a significant loss, but at this point I don't mind and just want some of mine and my Father's money, whom I sadly got to also back this endeavor. I'll just sink the funding back into GW as stated or MtG.

While I understand lots of people are angry at delays and such, I still don't understand this aspect. You're getting the models and rules, so where does this desire actually come from? What makes you want to actually ditch the product without having played it?

For me, it's about speaking with my wallet. I, personally, like 40k models. It's a ruleset I already know, and after the treatment, not the delays by PB, I no longer have any desire to make any effort to learn the game, assemble their models, which look alright, or, really, give them anymore of my hard earned money. Period.

Gotcha, so in your case it's more dissatisfaction with the company over any other aspect of it.

I've been pretty clear that I always intended to sell off part of my package. I've got 3 battle cry boxes coming, and my two friends have another 5 between them. In hindsight we mostly wish we'd stuck more in the 4 range, but here we are.

I'll keep enough figures to field a force, but I'll likely be parting with around half of what I have coming to recoup some costs.

It's a mix of dissatisfaction with what what I'm seeing, with the company's manner of 'communicating' with backers, and simply not being interested in finding a storage and transportation solution for 300+ figures, not to mention the raw amounts of time and effort necessary to build all 6000-8000+ pieces worth of models that those represent.

Korias1004 wrote:
For me, it's about speaking with my wallet. I, personally, like 40k models. It's a ruleset I already know, and after the treatment, not the delays by PB, I no longer have any desire to make any effort to learn the game, assemble their models, which look alright, or, really, give them anymore of my hard earned money. Period.

You absolutely should speak with your wallet as most companies listen only to that metric. In this case, however, it is as futile as posting on their forums. If lagging sales and a loss of the one of the top selling slots in the niche industry you're in weren't enough for Palladium to revamp their RPGs from the ground up, nothing will accomplish that. Regardless, I agree and applaud your decision to speak via your wallet. When they pulled their max/miriya stunt last year, my add ons went from pretty much one of everything not in battlecry to just two things.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Yeah, I've started buying a bunch of 1/200-1/300 scale stuff...

http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-15004170-100pcs_painted_model_cars_building_train_layout_scale_n_z_%281_to_200%29_c200-4.html
http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-15002714-100pcs_painted_model_train_people_figures_scale_z_%281_to_200%29.html
http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-15003145-model_tree_train_set_scenery_landscape_ho_n_z_-_25pcs.html

and so on... and from that place I used coupon code SUNTEKSTORE15 to get 15% off if anyone else needs 'em.

Here's the car sizes compared to Battletech (MWO) mechs:

Spoiler:

Slightly off topic but.. where the heck did you get MWO style BTech models? Is someone making them somewhere? Since they're a billion times better designed than the old 80s/90s art.

 Killionaire wrote:


Slightly off topic but.. where the heck did you get MWO style BTech models? Is someone making them somewhere? Since they're a billion times better designed than the old 80s/90s art.

PGI has allowed anyone to use the 3d files included in MWO as long as it's for personal/not-for-profit usage, so there's plenty of people cleaning up the files and getting them 3d-printed.

PB has proven it is terrible at PR. But IMO the product is looking from okay to awesome and I have been waiting for much less ambitious KS projects for much longer. I feel more positive about my pledge than ever.

 Manchu wrote:
But he did not claim this:

 Krinsath wrote:
but those were SO SWAMPED by eager attendees that almost nobody got to photograph them

Yes, he seemingly exaggerated the amount of folks playing demos and asking about the game relative to what I and others actually witnessed at GenCon but he did not say crowds kept people from seeing the minis.

We can say this is a difference in interpretation, but when Kevin says:

Unfortunately, that meant many of those passing by could not get a clear look at, or the chance to photograph, these superior painted pieces.

to me that isn't a "he did not say" situation. His statement implies that few pictures of the "professionally painted" models were taken due to the crowds, because why mention the crowd and "unfortunately...many people" in any other circumstance? That's not an unfortunate circumstance; as FFG can tell you having crowded tables is a GOOD thing. It's only bad if you're trying to shovel a point of view that would make it bad. Also, the idea that "lots of crowds = no pictures" is somewhat silly on its face given that many of the people standing around those tables are carrying cameras, but I digress.

The entire next paragraph deals with the "large" table where they "had to make due with what they had" after detailing the travails of the involved demonstrator (and don't get me wrong, the events described certainly do suck for Carmen). This seems to be furthering what he's hinting at in the previous paragraph; that none of the pictures that look to show the painted models as anything less than great were from the professionally painted tables and instead were from the "large" table.

Sorry to rewind this conversation, but I was at work.

 Krinsath wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
But he did not claim this:

 Krinsath wrote:
but those were SO SWAMPED by eager attendees that almost nobody got to photograph them

Yes, he seemingly exaggerated the amount of folks playing demos and asking about the game relative to what I and others actually witnessed at GenCon but he did not say crowds kept people from seeing the minis.

We can say this is a difference in interpretation, but when Kevin says:

Unfortunately, that meant many of those passing by could not get a clear look at, or the chance to photograph, these superior painted pieces.

to me that isn't a "he did not say" situation. His statement implies that few pictures of the "professionally painted" models were taken due to the crowds, because why mention the crowd and "unfortunately...many people" in any other circumstance? That's not an unfortunate circumstance; as FFG can tell you having crowded tables is a GOOD thing. It's only bad if you're trying to shovel a point of view that would make it bad. Also, the idea that "lots of crowds = no pictures" is somewhat silly on its face given that many of the people standing around those tables are carrying cameras, but I digress.

The entire next paragraph deals with the "large" table where they "had to make due with what they had" after detailing the travails of the involved demonstrator (and don't get me wrong, the events described certainly do suck for Carmen). This seems to be furthering what he's hinting at in the previous paragraph; that none of the pictures that look to show the painted models as anything less than great were from the professionally painted tables and instead were from the "large" table.

Sorry to rewind this conversation, but I was at work.

Best part about the rush to get models painted for demo tables is in my head I'm going..... "Wait you only planned on 1 demo table" or they would of had enough painted before GEN-Con and "that doesn't show much belief in your product".

Well, I think we can at least agree that PB and Kevin (should that be and/or Kevin?) are just plain bad at PR.

For whatever reason(s), GenCon did not go well for PB on the RRT front. Kevin hamfistedly attempted to put a positive spin on things seemingly not realizing that some of the people reading his spin (a) are already skeptical of anything he writes and (b) actually were at GenCon and saw nothing like what he described. Or maybe he did realize it and he's just so hardened by various bad experiences with customers over the years and especially since this KS funded that he cynically aims his BS at those who are hypothetically most willing to swallow it/least likely to really care.

Despite knowing that Kevin is BSing me, because yes I was in fact there and the events from his perspective have nothing to do with the events from mine, it still just doesn't bother me. It's pretty much par for the course, I guess. Plus, I do think this product will deliver eventually and what I have seen of it so far IMO justifies the money I paid.

Huh, my backer kit says that my pledge is ready to ship.

Y'know, when I professionally paint models, I take photos of them at studio level (or the best I am capable of) too. I found clients kinda like that. I'm fairly sure a couple of the photos Mantic used on their site are ones I took. The dwarf brock riders in particular, I think. Part of the service.

I'm still waiting to see proper, studio level photos of these models. I suspect I'll be waiting until I do them myself.

Incidentally, if I were to do a paint / build guide for these who'd buy it?

If you were able to add in where to add the missing details, how to correct them to what was seen on-screen, and how to paint them in a real-world style and anime style, I sure would - and I suspect most of those who went in on the KS would too. You'd probably get some sales from people who bought it once released too.

But if it was as a PDF. , then it'd have to get updates to include the character models, SDF-1, etc. that are due in wave 2 (IF that ever happens in our lifetimes, of course!)

New video review from BS. Man I'm not looking forward to putting together the arms on the vf-1. Which is my favorite mecha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNI0RCs41KQ&feature=youtu.be

Winterdyne I would support your endevour. More painting tips is never a bad thing!

sqir666 wrote:
Huh, my backer kit says that my pledge is ready to ship.

A bunch of people have mentioned as much, local and international alike, apparently regardless of order size.

My guess is they did something that changed it for everyone, unless someone has found that theirs doesn't say their package is ready to ship.

So is there a list of people selling their pledges/etc? I'd be in the market to pick up some Destroids and a few other mecha.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
New video review from BS. Man I'm not looking forward to putting together the arms on the vf-1. Which is my favorite mecha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNI0RCs41KQ&feature=youtu.be

Gah! (getting to be favorite expression on this thread)
Those parts are REALLY tiny, looking at the assembly instructions, it would have been fun (difficult) to assemble a model twice that size.
Agreed that some of those parts REALLY needed to be one piece, I thought putting together Eldar Guardians in 40k were irritating, this is a whole new level.
<edit> Agreed on the number of feed points into the parts are excessive, trimming those off will be time consuming but positive note: not likely to see short shots!
I may have to rethink the magnetizing the heads bit (metal in head magnet in body I think or say forget it and glue in anyway).
Mental note: get card sleeves to protect from the poor card stock.

On a more positive note: the model builder part of me is excited about the challenge of putting them together, I really think the seam lines and multiple pieces are readily dealt with.
Painting will be NUTS, glad I got the jeweler visor, there is a whole world in there for something so tiny.
I see no good way of painting them on the sprue, it just looks too painful (but may still be the way to go due to all the hard to reach bits).

Overall: too many parts, detail "good-enough", extra parts are good to see (a whole destroid!), #1 concern: cutting the tiny bits and making sure they do not escape my desk I would never find them again.

<add to post> For those selling their stuff, I guess it will hit Palladium a bit by selling the cut-rate models so then other customers do not buy from Palladium at retail.
STILL they have a bit of our money either way.
The only other way to "teach them" is to not buy their product.

Now it is a mixed feeling, it looks like the product is close to what we wanted so there is some joy in there, it just may be a year for a total of some two years to get it all.

 Forar wrote:

sqir666 wrote:
Huh, my backer kit says that my pledge is ready to ship.

A bunch of people have mentioned as much, local and international alike, apparently regardless of order size.

My guess is they did something that changed it for everyone, unless someone has found that theirs doesn't say their package is ready to ship.

Mine says it too. And since I'm one of the few people who will get theirs after you (based on purely random chance, naturally, or at least 98% of one, anyway) I think it's safe to say they flipped everyone's.

Merijeek wrote:

 Forar wrote:

sqir666 wrote:
Huh, my backer kit says that my pledge is ready to ship.

A bunch of people have mentioned as much, local and international alike, apparently regardless of order size.

My guess is they did something that changed it for everyone, unless someone has found that theirs doesn't say their package is ready to ship.

Mine says it too. And since I'm one of the few people who will get theirs after you (based on purely random chance, naturally, or at least 98% of one, anyway) I think it's safe to say they flipped everyone's.

To me it just looks like a function of the web page. I don't think they flipped a switch or anything. It's just they way the site works. Once you go through the backer kit process, the last page has always told me it's ready to ship, as in "we have your order".. People are just seeing it because we're going back and looking for our backer numbers. It was there when I first put in all my info and "order" a year ago.

 judgedoug wrote:
So is there a list of people selling their pledges/etc? I'd be in the market to pick up some Destroids and a few other mecha.

No list that I'm aware of, though I'm sure people will chime in once the wave one backer boxes start arriving in 2017.