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I need to learn to stop posting on my phone...the amount of typos is maddening...

What's the shipping time like? I got the notice, but it hasn't acutally shipped yet.

My notice arrived like a ninja in the middle of the night.

Thursday.

Providing Customs doesn't flag the UPS truck.

Wait they're using ups? I thought it was usps??

Good god the weight says 21.7 pounds O.o I didn't think I ordered that much...

 Spartan-Kun wrote:
Wait they're using ups? I thought it was usps??

Good god the weight says 21.7 pounds O.o I didn't think I ordered that much...

Well, their online shop says that the core box is 6.5 pounds itself, so 2-3 of them plus 2-3 BC add on bags and/or other add ons would presumably be that much.

Still, thats a lot of plastic lol

Yea, my listed package weight was 28.7 pounds.

Reckless is a lot of plastic.

Yay for us over achievers

Which means my box should be around 60 pounds, as a double reckless with a few add ons.

And at least two dudes in the states have around 120 pounds or more coming.

Though that's nothing compared to some of the Dwarven Forge kits that are coming to people. Literally hundreds of pounds of tiles.

But still, yeah, that's a crapload of plastic.

Holy [MOD EDIT - No filter 'workarounds' please - thanks! - Alpharius] O.O

 Forar wrote:
Which means my box should be around 60 pounds, as a double reckless with a few add ons.

And at least two dudes in the states have around 120 pounds or more coming.

My god.. the parts count...

chaos0xomega wrote:

Asterios wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Not to insult mike/start a flame war, but does anyone actually care about his fan rules? I feel like that doesnt really have any place in this thread.

Actually Chaos some people do care about his stuff since it is miles better then what PB gave us.

as it goes wish I had his game cards over PB's craptastic cards they gave us, and Mikes rules were a little more rounder then what PB gave us.

Right, but this is a thread for palladiums kickstarter, as it stands there are already pages and pages worth of discussion in this thread about his rules, etc which for the longest time confused the gak out of me thinking they were the actual Palladium rules.

and if you read the Palladium rules you would wish his rules were the official ones. and if you saw the official cards you would wish his were the official ones instead.


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 warboss wrote:

 Forar wrote:
Which means my box should be around 60 pounds, as a double reckless with a few add ons.

And at least two dudes in the states have around 120 pounds or more coming.

My god.. the parts count...

I've only looked at one of the battle cry's sitting in my closet and that's a lot of parts so I imagine if I looked at a reckless worth of parts it would be downright ugly.

If you used just PB's Cards you would have something like the first pic.

Mine are like the rest. So They are also a WIP and can be updated and modified readily. They also have the stats on the same cards so you don't have to swap back and forth and are also all the same size. It's a matter of personal preference. I winced personally when I saw their cards and realized how they were laid out. So I continued on and made my own.

If you like them...cool.....if not....that's fine.....like I said it is simply a matter of personal preference.

Yeah, I may print out yours, Mike. They're much easier to read than PBs.

So I received my order in the mail last week. I got Showdown. Was everything sent to me or is some of Showdown in in Wave 2-5?

 Davespil wrote:
So I received my order in the mail last week. I got Showdown. Was everything sent to me or is some of Showdown in in Wave 2-5?

Wave 2 will have more goodies

A full Battle Cry is 97 figures (was 96 and then they added the extra Battloid to the core box).

Wave One of a BC is 70 of those 97.

So you have at least 54 more figures coming, plus any wave two add ons (if you snagged some).

Having recieved my package last Friday, I can now comment on some of the miniatures. So far I've assembled a few battle pods, a fighter and two battleoids. It's been a bit of a mixed bag unfortunately. The vertitechs have been the greatest disappointment so far. I was really hoping that PB would really make an effort to make the iconic mecha of the series (and therefore the most visible individual mecha) at least somewhat user friendly.

The fighter was a pain to put together, mostly because the wings refused to remain straight while drying. It would have been much easier to have a long post between the two wings that could sandwich into the split fuselage rather then the tiny little 1mm tabs on each wing. It does look pretty good when finished though. I'd give it a 6/10.

The real problem mini so far has been the battleoid. The arms are a complete mess (there are no directions on which piece matches with what), the legs have terrible seams and the posts connecting the legs to the abdomen do not fit well in the holes. I eventually just went with pinning all of the arm and leg connections, so the figures would stand up straight. I'd rate this one about a 2/10.

The Zentrati pods are quite nice and I can't say anything bad about them (not even the limited leg selection bothers me : ) 9/10

Next up will be some guardians (which I'm not really looking forward to) and a glaug (which I am). I'm going to try to get some starter forces finished first, so I can try out some of the intro scenarios.

I think Guardians may be the worst. Fiddly wings, leg seams and arm tabs that are worse than useless. I don't believe anyone ever actually test-fitted the prototype before they put it into production.

Also put together the two Spartans. Took about an hour and 15 minutes. I had tro cut off all the tabs in the lower legs and on the gun stocks to make them fit. Other than that, they were easier to assemble than the Veritechs. Heads up, though, one set of hips and legs are in a running pose and the other is not; they do not mix well. The Spartans are decent, but definitely not great.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I think Guardians may be the worst. Fiddly wings, leg seams and arm tabs that are worse than useless. I don't believe anyone ever actually test-fitted the prototype before they put it into production.

Also put together the two Spartans. Took about an hour and 15 minutes. I had tro cut off all the tabs in the lower legs and on the gun stocks to make them fit. Other than that, they were easier to assemble than the Veritechs. Heads up, though, one set of hips and legs are in a running pose and the other is not; they do not mix well. The Spartans are decent, but definitely not great.

According to palladium's updates when they got the 3d prototypes that were going off of the 98% done finalized sprues, they had to build some of the models multiple times which was one of the excuses they used to hand wave off the huge seams and how crappy the models looked back in December. Of course, that didn't stop them from giving their seal of approval to 34 part destroids and hugely complicated veritechs despite them being so difficult to assemble that the folks who were overseeing every step of the project couldn't assemble them correctly.

It's a total head-scratcher. The Zentraedi kits all fit well and seem polished. I love them. The RDF kits all have a different design philosophy regarding joins and large pieces, and that approach is heavily flawed. I suppose the veritech fighter isn't too bad compared to the other RDF units, just tricky because it's tiny.

On a somewhat related note, is anyone else having trouble keeping the glue on the tiny attachment points? I'm going to have to call my force Fingerprint Squadron.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It's a total head-scratcher. The Zentraedi kits all fit well and seem polished. I love them. The RDF kits all have a different design philosophy regarding joins and large pieces, and that approach is heavily flawed. I suppose the veritech fighter isn't too bad compared to the other RDF units, just tricky because it's tiny.

On a somewhat related note, is anyone else having trouble keeping the glue on the tiny attachment points? I'm going to have to call my force Fingerprint Squadron.

that's why I posted awhile back on the KS forums that the Zentraedi sprues look like they were done by an entirely different company as the one that did the UEDF sprues.

At least if you ever have your army stolen, it should be easy to determine the true owner. There was a ton of speculation on the difference between the zent and RDF stuff with some people claiming they were designed by two different teams. I don't think it was based on any solid info though but rather gut feelings like yours based on looking at the two forces and seeing a different style/touch on each.

No no no, you don't understand. These are designs from the 80's that weren't created with making miniatures in mind.

...

I seriously couldn't type that and keep a straight face at the same time.

Holy hell is that a stupid argument.

 Forar wrote:
No no no, you don't understand. These are designs from the 80's that weren't created with making miniatures in mind.

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I seriously couldn't type that and keep a straight face at the same time.

Holy hell is that a stupid argument.

I'm just glad that both the Axis and the Allies had the forethought to make their designs so compatible with 3d modelling back in the 1930's and 40's. There sure alot of good plastic kits of those old designs thanks to some good old fashioned vacuum tube and slide rule 3d modelling!

 Forar wrote:
No no no, you don't understand. These are designs from the 80's that weren't created with making miniatures in mind.

For the RDF, this might as well be true.

 warboss wrote:
At least if you ever have your army stolen, it should be easy to determine the true owner. There was a ton of speculation on the difference between the zent and RDF stuff with some people claiming they were designed by two different teams. I don't think it was based on any solid info though but rather gut feelings like yours based on looking at the two forces and seeing a different style/touch on each.

the problem is slight differences can be expected even from the same company but these designs are like black and white their differences are 2 whole different styles, and judging by ND's previous work the Zentraedi stuff looks like their work, while the other stuff looks like a miniaturized version of the old Robotech/Macross models.

another interesting factor is the sprue centers, the UEDF has the same empty circle of the old models, while the Zentraedi stuff does not.

I think that the core issue with the RDF stuff is that they wanted to make replicas of the old models and then just shrink them down, the part they overlooked is that a lot of those old models weren't all that accurate in how they paired up with the line art from the shows. (the battloid chest and abdominal nose cone seem to be really wonky to me) Between industry advances and just paying a bit more attention to details they could have made a better looking product. What they did is "ok" and is a decent deal if you got in on the KS and your concern was inexpensive stuff, but the quality is a bit meh when they could have done so much better with the RDF stuff. I can go get plastic robots from a vending machine for 50 cents, and if all I expect is cheap robot mans I'd be equally happy with pretty much anything, which is where a lot of the KS support is at, but for people who were hoping for a bit more of a standard quality I think the RDF stuff fell a bit short.

The Zentraedi stuff looks good and IMO looks like it was handled by an entirely different sculptor. The RDF stuff either had a different sculptor or it was picked apart by the committee of overseers that have zero experience with models. (PB, HG) They wanted things to mirror the old kits as close as possible and that's what they got, to the hilt. But IMO 1980's models pretty much belong back in the 1980's. They needed somebody on their team with experience in how things translate on the table and how to get the mix between scale/durabilty/design right, which is what ND was supposed to bring, but they appear to have been largely disregarded by the command chain which was satisfied with "98% good enough re-scaled 80's model kits" and not delivering wargaming models. (as they continually fail to understand that war gaming is not just "small scale models")

I've had the chance to look the stuff over and it's not garbage, but looking past the low KS pricing it leaves a lot to be desired with the RDF models which is a bit sad considering those models were the primary interests from the bulk of their audience. I think that once these hit shelves at standard retail pricing there's a lot of people who will balk while looking at the game as the appeal of inexpensive minis isn't going to be there which is what the KS largely hinged on. The RRT KS brought a slew of minis for a decent price, with a subjective quality, at retail I don't think it'll have nearly the same strength.

I don't see it having a long shelf life once the shiny and nostalgia influences wears off, a game limited to two factions, high models counts that isn't cheap at a retail level. Huge numbers of parts for models of a quality that don't really reflect the need for so many pieces. They've fumbled a lot with their backer community and I don't have much hope for them trying to organize an effective player base as they've repeatedly shown they really aren't in their element when it comes to wargames. It sounds like their plans for the Rifts miniatures game was dumped after all the difficulties they've run into RRT so I wouldn't expect them to keep this on anything beyond life support once it's released to retailers.

I've talked to a few local people that have backed the KS and now that the stuff has finally arrived none of them are overly excited about the game. Typical response has been "sigh, I think I may keep a few models and the majority will end up on ebay". That's not the type of response you want when a game releases and is supposed to be new and hot, release is when player interests should be at a raging peak. The response should be people going oh man this kicks so much ass I can't wait to be gaming with all my friends, not meh... it's ok.

The real winners are the Battletech players at least got a new influx of unseens they can use as RRT launches and then dries up.

Jon I agree with you, this game left no room for supporting it with new minis for the Macross version, and I don't see PB supporting the game in any capacity, especially after they ran the game in the RPG section at the last GenCon.

Of course what I just said will be seen as hating by the crowd of PB white knights and they will portray me as just being an a-hole because I don't like Kevin. All personal dislike aside, I still really, really, really love Robotech/Macross if I didn't I wouldn't have pushed so hard to help make a Robotech miniatures game into a reality. I will never stop loving robots or robot games, and watching Robotech as a kid was the foundation of where all of that comes from so I'll always be a fan.

I've done nothing but dream about having a Robotech game for over 30 years and I want to see it succeed more then just about anyone out there but at the same time I can see that there's a lot of bad decisions being made with RRT and I can see how it'll likely impact the long term viability for the game and it doesn't look very good unless they do a very strong change in their course. Given how slowly they've been to change or address issues with their KS I don't think they are capable of it. It'd be nice to see that proven wrong as I'd very much like to see the game be something beyond a one shot release, but that's what it's looking to be IMO.

If they have the team who sculpted the Zentraedi take on the Invid, that could really do a lot to improve interest in the game. A third faction, and arguably the most visually distinct range in the series, would be a great way to keep it fresh.


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 paulson games wrote:
I think that the core issue with the RDF stuff is that they wanted to make replicas of the old models and then just shrink them down,

I just have to mention that I remember putting together some Robotech model kits as a young child, and I think they nailed it. What I remember the most are the tears.