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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Terrain is going to look seriously stupid with all these mixed scales on the same table.

Would you rather see the game dead and buried than see the next two seasons released at a scale that (shudder) normal people could enjoy?

what makes you think the game isn't already dead? so far from what I've seen and not just the negative reviews, but how the game was designed and being supported, the game is already dead, they cannot market it as a miniature game, but an RPG game so that's a knife wound, they have no way of continuing with expansions in the series since they brought out all their designs in the kickstarter so no support from new items, another knife wound, their price point is too pricey for what your getting, if you got in the KS then yeah you got a decent price, or if you buy the box game you got a decent price, but the add-ons are over priced, another knife wound. splitting of the rules between the rulebook and the cards, another knife wound and the list goes on, this game has received so many knife wounds its bleeding to death and its just a matter of time till it rolls over and dies.

This is NMI on the Facebook page

Ziur Y'Reffej Only a handful of Canadian orders havent gone out - those go out Monday. Oh no!!!
Overseas people will still be getting their rewards BEFORE their local retailers get theirs -- So where's the drama????


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The only thing is that ROW will have before THEIR local retailers but not before US retailers. There is a difference. Some may think it enough and others will not but there it is.

So, rather than pack ROW orders, they packed retailers and pre orders, stay classy Kevin...

 Mike1975 wrote:
This is NMI on the Facebook page

Ziur Y'Reffej Only a handful of Canadian orders havent gone out - those go out Monday. Oh no!!!
Overseas people will still be getting their rewards BEFORE their local retailers get theirs -- So where's the drama????


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The only thing is that ROW will have before THEIR local retailers but not before US retailers. There is a difference. Some may think it enough and others will not but there it is.

NMI is really clueless isn't he, also hes not helping PB with that post.

Asterios wrote:


what makes you think the game isn't already dead? so far from what I've seen and not just the negative reviews, but how the game was designed and being supported, the game is already dead, they cannot market it as a miniature game, but an RPG game so that's a knife wound, they have no way of continuing with expansions in the series since they brought out all their designs in the kickstarter so no support from new items, another knife wound, their price point is too pricey for what your getting, if you got in the KS then yeah you got a decent price, or if you buy the box game you got a decent price, but the add-ons are over priced, another knife wound. splitting of the rules between the rulebook and the cards, another knife wound and the list goes on, this game has received so many knife wounds its bleeding to death and its just a matter of time till it rolls over and dies.

I keep seeing this said, but battletech miniatures average over 12.00 per miniature. THe prices on Robotech are not out of line with that.

http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=16_21

efarrer wrote:

Asterios wrote:


what makes you think the game isn't already dead? so far from what I've seen and not just the negative reviews, but how the game was designed and being supported, the game is already dead, they cannot market it as a miniature game, but an RPG game so that's a knife wound, they have no way of continuing with expansions in the series since they brought out all their designs in the kickstarter so no support from new items, another knife wound, their price point is too pricey for what your getting, if you got in the KS then yeah you got a decent price, or if you buy the box game you got a decent price, but the add-ons are over priced, another knife wound. splitting of the rules between the rulebook and the cards, another knife wound and the list goes on, this game has received so many knife wounds its bleeding to death and its just a matter of time till it rolls over and dies.

I keep seeing this said, but battletech miniatures average over 12.00 per miniature. THe prices on Robotech are not out of line with that.

http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=16_21

Battletech = Metal

Robotech = Plastic

efarrer wrote:

Asterios wrote:


what makes you think the game isn't already dead? so far from what I've seen and not just the negative reviews, but how the game was designed and being supported, the game is already dead, they cannot market it as a miniature game, but an RPG game so that's a knife wound, they have no way of continuing with expansions in the series since they brought out all their designs in the kickstarter so no support from new items, another knife wound, their price point is too pricey for what your getting, if you got in the KS then yeah you got a decent price, or if you buy the box game you got a decent price, but the add-ons are over priced, another knife wound. splitting of the rules between the rulebook and the cards, another knife wound and the list goes on, this game has received so many knife wounds its bleeding to death and its just a matter of time till it rolls over and dies.

I keep seeing this said, but battletech miniatures average over 12.00 per miniature. THe prices on Robotech are not out of line with that.

http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=16_21

The new Battletech plastic lance packs (which, being plastics, is what you should be comparing RRT minis with) are $19.95 for a 4-minis unit.

A Valkyrie wing from PB costs $36.95 and that's for 6 models that make 2 units.

Are you talking about the starters or are there new battle tech plastics?

think hes talking about the sets put out by Catalyst maybe?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are you talking about the starters or are there new battle tech plastics?

New plastics:

http://bg.battletech.com/news/news-and-announcements/introductory-box-set-reprint-lance-packs/

 Albertorius wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are you talking about the starters or are there new battle tech plastics?

New plastics:

http://bg.battletech.com/news/news-and-announcements/introductory-box-set-reprint-lance-packs/

If those are the same minatures from the starter you are grossly overpaying at 20.00

efarrer wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are you talking about the starters or are there new battle tech plastics?

New plastics:

http://bg.battletech.com/news/news-and-announcements/introductory-box-set-reprint-lance-packs/

If those are the same minatures from the starter you are grossly overpaying at 20.00

Which one? The minis of the new starter are really nice for 1-piece models, at least as good as anything released so far for the Spacy. Soo... if those are overpriced, it would follow that the RRT ones...

efarrer wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are you talking about the starters or are there new battle tech plastics?

New plastics:

http://bg.battletech.com/news/news-and-announcements/introductory-box-set-reprint-lance-packs/

If those are the same minatures from the starter you are grossly overpaying at 20.00

efarrer have you seen the RRT ones? right now many people are having problems with pieces breaking from just cutting them off the sprue, plus the parts count and so on, if you think 1pc. ready to go BT minis at $20 is expensive then your thinking the 2 unit veritechs at $37 is ungodly priced.

Do they have any plastic Btech minis that aren't fugly?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Do they have any plastic Btech minis that aren't fugly?

They did.

But they stole those from robotech and some other shows.

efarrer wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Do they have any plastic Btech minis that aren't fugly?

They did.

But they stole those from robotech and some other shows.

You clearly don't know the actual history between Battletech and Robotech, but please do prattle on.



FASA had obtained a license trough TCI, unfortunately TCI wasn't authorized to redistribute their license which didn't come to light until years later. They didn't "steal" gak, and if you want to throw stones Harmony Gold are the ones that "stole" things when the Berne Convention laws went into effect and locked the Japanese studios out of their own property within the US.

Asterios wrote:


If those are the same minatures from the starter you are grossly overpaying at 20.00

efarrer have you seen the RRT ones? right now many people are having problems with pieces breaking from just cutting them off the sprue, plus the parts count and so on, if you think 1pc. ready to go BT minis at $20 is expensive then your thinking the 2 unit veritechs at $37 is ungodly priced.

efarrer wrote:

Asterios wrote:


If those are the same minatures from the starter you are grossly overpaying at 20.00

efarrer have you seen the RRT ones? right now many people are having problems with pieces breaking from just cutting them off the sprue, plus the parts count and so on, if you think 1pc. ready to go BT minis at $20 is expensive then your thinking the 2 unit veritechs at $37 is ungodly priced.

But those really aren't comparable.

The Battletech are one part models- monoposed- from a starter box. The Atlas model is fugly and doesn't compare to the lead monopose I got 25 years ago.

Complaining about the multipart plastic and fidly bits is a joke if you bring battle tech into the equation as well- because the comparable models are the metals and some of those (many indeed have ridiculous part counts (in addition to being metal). And on the positive side even if it is out of scale the Officers pod should go together better than any Mad3r ever (I think I glued myfingers more then the model back then).As well the VT is still six models all told.

and people would rather have the single piece models then what PB gave us, have you even looked at the KS forums? very little positive being said about the builds, people complaining about pieces breaking from being cut off the sprue or not fitting and the instructions are a joke and no help, seriously have you even checked? not too mention people posting on the Palladium FB forums about problems with the builds and that's not even getting into what PB recently did to screw over the overseas backers. also while it might be 6 models it is still only 2 units.

 paulson games wrote:


You clearly don't know the actual history between Battletech and Robotech, but please do prattle on.



FASA had obtained a license trough TCI, unfortunately TCI wasn't authorized to redistribute their license which didn't come to light until years later. They didn't "steal" gak, and if you want to throw stones Harmony Gold are the ones that "stole" things when the Berne Convention laws went into effect and locked the Japanese studios out of their own property within the US.

To what I know and don't know about that case you can assume what you will...

The incredibly complicated mess that is copyright, in particular in this case, makes for complicated pages let alone, sentences. Fasa didn't have legal rights to the images of the most iconic mechs in the game and continued to use them long past the point where it was reasonable to believe that they did.

The only battle tech models that I have ever liked, and I played it for 15 years, were the ones that were taken from sources other than the company. You may like, and to judge from the models you produce you appear to, the (imo ugly) boxy models that catalyst and ironwind have produced. I don't.

efarrer wrote:

 paulson games wrote:


You clearly don't know the actual history between Battletech and Robotech, but please do prattle on.



FASA had obtained a license trough TCI, unfortunately TCI wasn't authorized to redistribute their license which didn't come to light until years later. They didn't "steal" gak, and if you want to throw stones Harmony Gold are the ones that "stole" things when the Berne Convention laws went into effect and locked the Japanese studios out of their own property within the US.

To what I know and don't know about that case you can assume what you will...

The incredibly complicated mess that is copyright, in particular in this case, makes for complicated pages let alone, sentences. Fasa didn't have legal rights to the images of the most iconic mechs in the game and continued to use them long past the point where it was reasonable to believe that they did.

The only battle tech models that I have ever liked, and I played it for 15 years, were the ones that were taken from sources other than the company. You may like, and to judge from the models you produce you appear to, the (imo ugly) boxy models that catalyst and ironwind have produced. I don't.

actually I was more inclined towards the Clan Mechs that they did have the rights to since they were their own design.

Asterios wrote:




and people would rather have the single piece models then what PB gave us, have you even looked at the KS forums? very little positive being said about the builds, people complaining about pieces breaking from being cut off the sprue or not fitting and the instructions are a joke and no help, seriously have you even checked? not too mention people posting on the Palladium FB forums about problems with the builds and that's not even getting into what PB recently did to screw over the overseas backers. also while it might be 6 models it is still only 2 units.

You mean where you and three or four other post every single day whining about everything to with the kickstarter.

Yeah, I've been there.

Six models is six models.

efarrer wrote:

Asterios wrote:




and people would rather have the single piece models then what PB gave us, have you even looked at the KS forums? very little positive being said about the builds, people complaining about pieces breaking from being cut off the sprue or not fitting and the instructions are a joke and no help, seriously have you even checked? not too mention people posting on the Palladium FB forums about problems with the builds and that's not even getting into what PB recently did to screw over the overseas backers. also while it might be 6 models it is still only 2 units.

You mean where you and three or four other post every single day whining about everything to with the kickstarter.

Yeah, I've been there.

Six models is six models.

yes 6 models, but still only 2 units, lets compare it to the Destroids shall we? which is still $33 for 4 models. and you sound like ol Lolafett who has been pretty quiet since many now turning on him, as to the same 3-4 the number is growing and growing each day, I wanted a Robotech game, but thanks to PB's greed and bumbling that will not happen, the game is dead.

Asterios wrote:

yes 6 models, but still only 2 units, lets compare it to the Destroids shall we? which is still $33 for 4 models. and you sound like ol Lolafett who has been pretty quiet since many now turning on him, as to the same 3-4 the number is growing and growing each day, I wanted a Robotech game, but thanks to PB's greed and bumbling that will not happen, the game is dead.

No. The game is not dead. It's not even started yet. If it fails to sell at retail then it will be dead. Right now it's not dead. We will have to see how it does at retail.

Is it perfect? No.
Is it bad? The majority of the reviews I have seen have been positive with caveats or negative with caveats- not terribly uncommon for a miniatures game. TheBoard game Geek rating falling about the same as 40K and Fantasy, as well as Battletech.

Could it have been better? Resoundingly yes. Communication would have helped. There are some issues with some of the models, but not at least they aren't soft plastic like bones and the battle tech mins I got in whatever the last set I bought was or garbage like Finecast.
Am I unhappy and gonna sell my stuff off? No. After years of abuse by a variety of roleplaying and wargaming companies- Here's looking at you GW- I feel pretty much used to this.

efarrer wrote:
But those really aren't comparable.

Oh, of course they aren't: you can buy the Btech box, take out the minis and cards, put them on the table and start playing right away.

Asterios wrote:

and people would rather have the single piece models then what PB gave us, have you even looked at the KS forums? very little positive being said about the builds, people complaining about pieces breaking from being cut off the sprue or not fitting and the instructions are a joke and no help, seriously have you even checked? not too mention people posting on the Palladium FB forums about problems with the builds and that's not even getting into what PB recently did to screw over the overseas backers. also while it might be 6 models it is still only 2 units.

I would rather have multi-piece plastics done well. Are you sure people aren't just complaining about these particular builds? The Zentraedi units are fun and easy to assemble, but the hero mecha in this series are so poorly designed that I doubt they can be assembled at all as intended. Without enough hobby experience and confidence to know when to cut off a tab or hack a piece into shape for fitting, the Guardian kit is nigh-impossible. That's not the fault of multi-piece plastics, but rather the moron who designed the RDF multi-piece plastics.

I agree on the instructions being a joke. And the pieces wouldn't break so easily if the RTT instructions had even a smidge of advice for newbies. Clippers take them right off the sprue intact with just a bit of care.

But you know what? I'd take all of those issues over the seriously pathetic Battletech plastics in the new starter. I'll just wait for the Bones CAV minis instead of buying those. I got better plastic robots than those in the take-home baggy from my childhood dentist.


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 Albertorius wrote:

efarrer wrote:
But those really aren't comparable.

Oh, of course they aren't: you can buy the Btech box, take out the minis and cards, put them on the table and start playing right away.

Please. I remember trying to play Battletech straight. You need to spend at least a week memorizing rules and removing the part of your brain responsible for recognizing tedium.

Not that I'm saying the Robotech game is any better. I wouldn't know and probably never will.

Hope CAV is fun or I'll probably just use these mecha in some funky Warpath counts-as OCD/scale nightmare.


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Asterios wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Terrain is going to look seriously stupid with all these mixed scales on the same table.

Would you rather see the game dead and buried than see the next two seasons released at a scale that (shudder) normal people could enjoy?

what makes you think the game isn't already dead? so far from what I've seen and not just the negative reviews, but how the game was designed and being supported, the game is already dead, they cannot market it as a miniature game, but an RPG game so that's a knife wound, they have no way of continuing with expansions in the series since they brought out all their designs in the kickstarter so no support from new items, another knife wound, their price point is too pricey for what your getting, if you got in the KS then yeah you got a decent price, or if you buy the box game you got a decent price, but the add-ons are over priced, another knife wound. splitting of the rules between the rulebook and the cards, another knife wound and the list goes on, this game has received so many knife wounds its bleeding to death and its just a matter of time till it rolls over and dies.

Well, the game itself probably is dead, then, but the product lines could live on if they were appealing. With all the mecha games floating around these days, one dead rule book shouldn't kill any models.

I stand by my assertion that Invid mecha, designed by the team who did the Zentraedi and released in a scale that allowed the average gamer to assemble, paint and field individual cyclones and scouts, would be a thing of beauty. Hell, I'd buy a Tyranid counts-as force of them and make them fight my Trollforged Alien Host. In the year 2525, when they are released.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Asterios wrote:

and people would rather have the single piece models then what PB gave us, have you even looked at the KS forums? very little positive being said about the builds, people complaining about pieces breaking from being cut off the sprue or not fitting and the instructions are a joke and no help, seriously have you even checked? not too mention people posting on the Palladium FB forums about problems with the builds and that's not even getting into what PB recently did to screw over the overseas backers. also while it might be 6 models it is still only 2 units.

I would rather have multi-piece plastics done well. Are you sure people aren't just complaining about these particular builds? The Zentraedi units are fun and easy to assemble, but the hero mecha in this series are so poorly designed that I doubt they can be assembled at all as intended. Without enough hobby experience and confidence to know when to cut off a tab or hack a piece into shape for fitting, the Guardian kit is nigh-impossible. That's not the fault of multi-piece plastics, but rather the moron who designed the RDF multi-piece plastics.

I agree on the instructions being a joke. And the pieces wouldn't break so easily if the RTT instructions had even a smidge of advice for newbies. Clippers take them right off the sprue intact with just a bit of care.

But you know what? I'd take all of those issues over the seriously pathetic Battletech plastics in the new starter. I'll just wait for the Bones CAV minis instead of buying those. I got better plastic robots than those in the take-home baggy from my childhood dentist.


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 Albertorius wrote:

efarrer wrote:
But those really aren't comparable.

Oh, of course they aren't: you can buy the Btech box, take out the minis and cards, put them on the table and start playing right away.

Please. I remember trying to play Battletech straight. You need to spend at least a week memorizing rules and removing the part of your brain responsible for recognizing tedium.

Not that I'm saying the Robotech game is any better. I wouldn't know and probably never will.

Hope CAV is fun or I'll probably just use these mecha in some funky Warpath counts-as OCD/scale nightmare.


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Asterios wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Terrain is going to look seriously stupid with all these mixed scales on the same table.

Would you rather see the game dead and buried than see the next two seasons released at a scale that (shudder) normal people could enjoy?

what makes you think the game isn't already dead? so far from what I've seen and not just the negative reviews, but how the game was designed and being supported, the game is already dead, they cannot market it as a miniature game, but an RPG game so that's a knife wound, they have no way of continuing with expansions in the series since they brought out all their designs in the kickstarter so no support from new items, another knife wound, their price point is too pricey for what your getting, if you got in the KS then yeah you got a decent price, or if you buy the box game you got a decent price, but the add-ons are over priced, another knife wound. splitting of the rules between the rulebook and the cards, another knife wound and the list goes on, this game has received so many knife wounds its bleeding to death and its just a matter of time till it rolls over and dies.

Well, the game itself probably is dead, then, but the product lines could live on if they were appealing. With all the mecha games floating around these days, one dead rule book shouldn't kill any models.

I stand by my assertion that Invid mecha, designed by the team who did the Zentraedi and released in a scale that allowed the average gamer to assemble, paint and field individual cyclones and scouts, would be a thing of beauty. Hell, I'd buy a Tyranid counts-as force of them and make them fight my Trollforged Alien Host. In the year 2525, when they are released.

meant they don't like the multipart minis in this game also some of PB's ardent supporters still say the Zentraedi and the UEDF were done by the same company, whats your thoughts on that?

one of the main reasons I know this game is dead since if a miniatures game is to survive it needs to be supported and we all know how PB is with supporting games, their first clue they don't care about this game is when they ran it in the RPG section at GenCon instead of the miniatures area where it should have been.


also you do realize if they do an Invid game in the same scale most of the invid would be less then half an inch tall ?

delete hit wrong button.

 Albertorius wrote:

efarrer wrote:
But those really aren't comparable.

Oh, of course they aren't: you can buy the Btech box, take out the minis and cards, put them on the table and start playing right away.

Let's just agree to disagree since we both obviously have different approaches to miniatures.

 Albertorius wrote:

efarrer wrote:
But those really aren't comparable.

Oh, of course they aren't: you can buy the Btech box, take out the minis and cards, put them on the table and start playing right away.

Not really, you still need the tracking sheets for the mechs and also the game boards/terrain to play on.