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 legoburner wrote:
While this is probably one of the worst possible places to push a kickstarter(...)The sprues are sliding core, so no two-part legs to put together - they are extremely simple to assemble, and the sprues are already done, so you know exactly what you'll get with these.

You're all forgiven if you also post this in the nearby DP9 KS thread, so we can have a good laugh.

 legoburner wrote:
While this is probably one of the worst possible places to push a kickstarter, I did want to take a moment to point out the latest robots revealed for Maelstrom's Edge, for those who are more about the mecha than robotech in particular:

You can see pictures of the sprues for the big guy here and the smaller one here. The sprues are sliding core, so no two-part legs to put together - they are extremely simple to assemble, and the sprues are already done, so you know exactly what you'll get with these.

No! No! That's not true! That's impossible!

Because they can't be done that way. Darth KevCo said so.

You should have also mentioned beyond just the simplicity of assembly, the capacity for variation. According to the KS Update, the Hunter model specifically, has.
- Ball joints on the hips
- 180 degree joints on the feet
- Partial ball joints on the shoulders (easily extended)
- 80 degree joints at the elbows
- A rotatable hand
- Several weapons variations.

Things that would have gone a long way to making the RRT models what was if not promised, at least implied. But then again, the whole Maelstrom campaign seems to be predicated on doing the exact opposite of what Palladium did. It's truly a shame it's not (at least yet) having a similar success. I wonder how much of it is PB working the nostalgia line (both for Robotech after 30 years, and BT Unseen), how much of it is KS burnout (I know several people have mentioned being wary of Kickstarters in general after getting burnt), and how much is based on merit (or potentially lack thereof).

While the stretch goals don't make me giddy (though stretch goals do tend to be a cause of problems as much as not), I think the core box is worth at least taking a look at.

Morgan Vening wrote:
It's truly a shame it's not (at least yet) having a similar success. I wonder how much of it is PB working the nostalgia line (both for Robotech after 30 years, and BT Unseen), how much of it is KS burnout (I know several people have mentioned being wary of Kickstarters in general after getting burnt), and how much is based on merit (or potentially lack thereof).

You've pretty much hit the highlights of it.

You also need to throw in that Spiral Arm Studios is a new company in most people's minds; even if this project has been under development for years the company has zero products in the wild. Palladium may be a crappy company in the opinion of a surprisingly large number of people, but they have been around for decades and there's a certain "well, they must have some clue of what they're doing" fallacy that emerges in logic, especially when blinded by plastic lust and one recalls "oh yeah, I know that name from the RPG shelf at the FLGS". While yakface is somewhat better known in tourney circles, he and the rest of the crew are still comparatively unknown in the world at large.

While it is a shame that PB got handed $1.44M to feth up massively and other companies who have a plan and dedication to delivering a quality product flounder, such is the way of the world sometimes.

That's pretty much our thoughts as well in that we appreciate that we are an unknown entity and kickstarter has a very poor track record with unknown companies delivering. We've tried to mitigate that by doing as much stuff up front as possible to show there is very little risk and control as many variables as we can, and we are happy that we've got the numbers we have. While it would be nice to be in the 6-7 figure range, 5 figures is still a lot of money and with a few hundred backers seeing that we've delivered a quality product, we'll be in a really good place.

 legoburner wrote:
While this is probably one of the worst possible places to push a kickstarter, I did want to take a moment to point out the latest robots revealed for Maelstrom's Edge, for those who are more about the mecha than robotech in particular:

The thicker bots look good. The skinny ones are too skinny, IMO.


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 legoburner wrote:
That's pretty much our thoughts as well in that we appreciate that we are an unknown entity and kickstarter has a very poor track record with unknown companies delivering. We've tried to mitigate that by doing as much stuff up front as possible to show there is very little risk and control as many variables as we can, and we are happy that we've got the numbers we have. While it would be nice to be in the 6-7 figure range, 5 figures is still a lot of money and with a few hundred backers seeing that we've delivered a quality product, we'll be in a really good place.

Well, I think part of the problem is that people have learned that even established companies (FFP, Chaosium, Palladium leap to mind, but there are plenty) also have a very poor track record.

Oh, and Wyrd. For the love of Jeebus, I could I forget Wyrd?

I know I'm late to the party but I just last night finally noticed that they spent time photoshopping the geese in the last update but yet have been too busy to post a single useful sentance for months with ANY meaningful RRPGT update info. Ugh... we've been here before IIRC last spring but it's still shockingly stupid the second time around.

Morgan Vening wrote:
the whole Maelstrom campaign seems to be predicated on doing the exact opposite of what Palladium did.

While we're busy giving PB gak over Robotech, Dream Pod 9 is just getting started. They're now releasing toylike pre-production renders that don't look at all like the Kickstarter renders - classic "bait & switch" there. Those guys have every potential to feth things up.

Does DP9 have a bunch of shrieking white knights yet?

DP9 heavy gear? Aren't those things roughly an inch tall, or about half the size of an already puny RRT RDF figure?

I guess I'm not a HG purist, but that detail at that size with what appears to be a solid amount of figure versatility being crafted, it looks fine to me.

Not sure I necessarily regret not backing that one, but that's based more on already having more games to play than I know what to do with. But I could see swinging by their booth at Gencon and snagging a choice piece or three if they have some for sale.

They're a little bit smaller for the average trooper/elite gear. The heavy support ones are the same size and the scouts are noticeably smaller. They won't have any plastics at the gencon booth but you can always snag a metal one instead. Personally, I'd recommend waiting before spending any money. Their big break in gaming was working FOR palladium and they picked up some dirty tricks under their tutelage as well as developed their own.

True, but the books they wrote for pb were some of the best looking from what I remember. I kept thinking how I wish the rest of the RT books had the same aesthetic.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
True, but the books they wrote for pb were some of the best looking from what I remember. I kept thinking how I wish the rest of the RT books had the same aesthetic.

That they were. The modern style for its time is the second thing that drew me to the original HG release (after the initial hunter pic).

 Forar wrote:
DP9 heavy gear? Aren't those things roughly an inch tall, or about half the size of an already puny RRT RDF figure?

Nope, they're pretty comparable in size to a RRT Destroid:


The Veritech Battloid is taller than a Gear.

Bonus points to anybody who can ID the long-OOP models in the background.

The mekton/jovian chronicles ones? Thanks for the size comparison pic. You'd be surprised how few there are out there in gaming once a certain site closed down 5 years ago. I would point out though that those gears are an earlier style but still same scale version of the models. The current ones have bigger hands/arms/weapons as well as exaggerated size differences between the classes to better distinguish them on the tabletop. I'm not sure if those features will carry over to the plastics as the weapons on the HG renders look quite small.

Ding! Jovian Chronicles is correct! Not sure about Mekton, but I suppose one could cross it over.

I never knew The Pod resculpted the metal minis - I never figured them to have the financial resources to do things over. Bigger hands/arms/weapons would have been nice, as these are awfully spindly (and bendy)...

Going plastic should help, but the real problem is that there's no audience. Definitely, the new plastics will be much chunkier and toylike than what I have.

Some of the older stuff like the Wyvern IIRC started in mekton by RAFM at a bigger scale and then moved over to Jovian with DP9 with smaller minis. As for HG, the overall size wasn't changed but the stuff I mentioned above was as well as round to rectangular rocket pods and a few heads. Spoilered below are the "same" black mamba southern minis with the earlier scale up top and newer below.



We should probably take the HG talk over to one of the HG gear threads though.

The sprues for the Scarecrow look like what the Veritech sprues were supposed to be. I really hope there are some bulk deals for the scarecrows, drones and hunters when Maelstrom's Edge hits retail.

The scarecrow has a nice Pacific Rim vibe, like Tacit Ronin's asymmetrical cousin.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Forar wrote:
DP9 heavy gear? Aren't those things roughly an inch tall, or about half the size of an already puny RRT RDF figure?

Nope, they're pretty comparable in size to a RRT Destroid:


The Veritech Battloid is taller than a Gear.

Bonus points to anybody who can ID the long-OOP models in the background.

Wouldn't exactly call them comparable, TBH. The regular troopers are significantly smaller (the recon ones much more so):




OTOH, Robotech models (well, Spacy ones) are very much completely compatible with Battletech:

The green Gear is a regular trooper - he's a basic Jaeger, from the General Purpose Cadre, and he's not that much shorter.like the little models you picked out.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The green Gear is a regular trooper - he's a basic Jaeger, from the General Purpose Cadre, and he's not that much shorter.like the little models you picked out.

The first one is a Jäger, the second one a PRDF's Warrior IV. One is a regular trooper (the very same one you put in your pic, only mine's from the current line) and the other one is an elite Gear comparable to a Black Mamba or a Jaguar. Not what I'd call a "little model", for DP9.

You might say I'm quite aqquainted with DP9's current and past minis lines, particularly HG, what with having about 300 assorted ones.

The Pod shrank the Jaeger? It looks like the new one is nearly a full head shorter than the one I own.

And they shrank the Black Mamba a LOT. More than a full head shorter.

 Albertorius wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The green Gear is a regular trooper - he's a basic Jaeger, from the General Purpose Cadre, and he's not that much shorter.like the little models you picked out.

The first one is a Jäger, the second one a PRDF's Warrior IV. One is a regular trooper (the very same one you put in your pic, only mine's from the current line) and the other one is an elite Gear comparable to a Black Mamba or a Jaguar. Not what I'd call a "little model", for DP9.

You might say I'm quite aqquainted with DP9's current and past minis lines, particularly HG, what with having about 300 assorted ones.

If you have the same minis in blitz, tactical, and/or rafm scale, can you post some side by side pics of all two or three together? (i.e. a rafm jager, tactical jager, and blitz jager side by side or even multiple model trios in one pic). I've never been able to find a pick that shows the tactical and rafm minis side by side.

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The green Gear is a regular trooper - he's a basic Jaeger, from the General Purpose Cadre, and he's not that much shorter.like the little models you picked out.

The first one is a Jäger, the second one a PRDF's Warrior IV. One is a regular trooper (the very same one you put in your pic, only mine's from the current line) and the other one is an elite Gear comparable to a Black Mamba or a Jaguar. Not what I'd call a "little model", for DP9.

You might say I'm quite aqquainted with DP9's current and past minis lines, particularly HG, what with having about 300 assorted ones.

If you have the same minis in blitz, tactical, and/or rafm scale, can you post some side by side pics of all two or three together? (i.e. a rafm jager, tactical jager, and blitz jager side by side or even multiple model trios in one pic). I've never been able to find a pick that shows the tactical and rafm minis side by side.

I might be able to do something over the weekend.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The Pod shrank the Jaeger? It looks like the new one is nearly a full head shorter than the one I own.

And they shrank the Black Mamba a LOT. More than a full head shorter.

Not sure is that big of a difference, bear in mind that I based that Warhammer on a hex regular base, which is a lot taller than the Robotech ones, and proportions changed a lot (the most noticeable are the arms, of course, but they shrinked the torsos a lot, too). As for the Mamba IIRC is taller than the Warrior IV, but the Warrior IV is wider, particularly at the shoulders. I'll try to do a better comparison ASAP.

Oh, OK. It could just be the camera angle playing tricks on us.

The net of it doesn't really change:
- Robotech minis are larger than Heavy Gear minis.
- Heavy Gear minis vary in size depending on edition
- Heavy Gear minis stand more than half the height of RDF minis.

Right?

 Albertorius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

If you have the same minis in blitz, tactical, and/or rafm scale, can you post some side by side pics of all two or three together? (i.e. a rafm jager, tactical jager, and blitz jager side by side or even multiple model trios in one pic). I've never been able to find a pick that shows the tactical and rafm minis side by side.

I might be able to do something over the weekend.

Thanks, much appreciated. There really aren't too many pics out there of older stuff. Between AAN's tactical stuff and I can't remember who has a decade old rafm gallery but one of the guys on the official forums does, that covers most of it and there isn't much in the way of comparison pics between the eras. I'm guessing that it is because loyal customers leave after getting screwed over and there isn't much overlap. In any case, I'll be anxiously awaiting the comparison pics over in the HG thread.

Update! After 2 months of silence, they have finally come bearing information!

Hey, everyone. Sorry for the long time between updates. I will be posting another update in the next couple of weeks with some exciting news, but for now...

Rest of World Shipping Complete

As many of you will know by now, Wave 1 rewards for Rest of World backers have been gradually shipping over the last few weeks. Well, except for a handful of exceptions due to address issues, they've finally all gone out as of this afternoon.

If you are set to receive Wave One items and haven’t yet gotten a package or a shipping confirmation email, please contact us so we can determine why. There are a few backers who we have attempted to contact for additional shipping information, and a few others who have still not completed the BackerKit process and selected their rewards. Please check your inbox and spam folders and if you haven’t received anything from us, please contact us so we can look into it.

But first, please make sure you are supposed to be receiving Wave One items. Note: That does not include Rick Hunter or the SDF-1. Please refer to the following complete breakdown of which items shipped in Wave One, and which will ship in Wave Two, reposted from Update #163.

And then they proceed to quote a giant wall of text from Update 163.

So it only took them ~258 (according to some dude in the comments) days to ship out everyone's packages!

And despite it being 2 months since they said anything of substance, we can wait a couple more weeks for info!

*jazzhands*

Don't forget that little bit where Wayne says it'll be another couple of weeks before another update. Man these guys suck.

I guess we shouldn't expect anything of note from the open house then either if it'll be "a couple of weeks". And, no, I don't count the monumentus annoucement of a dice CUP that they've been working 80 hours a week for months to bring us to be anything of note.. Of course, if "soon" means 2 months almost to the day to get a gakky update like that, "a couple of weeks" could easily mean after gencon in Palladium parlance.

In hindsight, my new favourite part of that giant copy/paste from Update 163 is the realization that 3 people (assuming they coughed up the money) paid $3,500 apiece for a Battle Cry and a 'studio painted' Core Box and Rick.

Which means they paid $3,500 up front for wave one of a Battle Cry, and will in theory receive wave two plus a (hopefully) nicely painted core box *some day*.

I'd kind of forgotten anyone even went for that back in the day, but the update reminded me it was even 'a thing'.

Kevin has 3 parents?