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 FacelessMage wrote:
Really? An Add?

Luckily there's only 5 days left in the campaign.

Though if this continues to escalate, I'm envisioning them covering 90% of the site by Wednesday afternoon.

 Forar wrote:

 FacelessMage wrote:
Really? An Add?

Luckily there's only 5 days left in the campaign.
Though if this continues to escalate, I'm envisioning them covering 90% of the site by Wednesday afternoon.

"Thank you for your patience as we have heavily promoted this on Dakka "
Well, they do run the site, so if you can't make use of that power what is the point?
We just are all sour grapes due to the kickstarter we backed here... bitter, bitter, people.

Oh, I don't mind. I was a bit confused at first when I saw the giant image creeping up the page, but quickly realized what it was.

Either way, presumably it won't be around for long. I'm backing them for a buck in a show of support and hope their final days are a solid explosion of people and cash.

 Talizvar wrote:
I am finding that the 1st wave units are not enough for any extended replay value.
I am leaning more on terrain and scenarios to keep it interesting.

Maelstrom missions for RRT?

I mean hell, those things are blown up to, what, ten times actual size? Let's look at a quick and dirty 'close to real life size'MSPaint job.

They have sufficient detail to paint them well and make them recognizable on the table. It seems that you don't have any experience with 6mm.




Oh, look, chainmail.

Yeah, at a distance I really couldn't be bothered to worry that one figure is 7mm and the other is 6.

For you, sure. You don't represent everyone and there is a difference that can be seen. Just because you don't care does not mean that others don't.

Plus, it's a bit disingenuous to compare different companies works. Obviously some are accentuating certain proportions, presumably in part because that stuff is pretty damned small. Damn, the hafts on those halbard'ish weapons must be a good foot thick, omg my immersions are ruined!

Disingenuous? What was I being disingenuous about? In which way was I lacking in sincerity or candor? How was I trying to deceive?

Comparing different manufacturers that sell the same scale of models is incredibly helpful to anyone but you, apparently. I have never met someone that collected models in a scale that did not want to know how models from different manufacturers compare to each other in order to make informed choices on which to buy for compatibility.

Some more real life paint jobs of what you seem to think are indistinguishable lumps of lead.

This whole discussion started with people asking if a slightly different scale would be a big deal. I do think it's silly to put two figures half a millimeter different in height side by side, blow up the image to 'need a magnifying glass to achieve the same in real life' levels, and proclaim that a mighty difference. Maybe if you have 20/10 vision. And are 6 inches from them.

And you even agree with me.

 n815e wrote:


Also, z-scale figures. They are 1/200, but if you aren't picky then that is close enough.

I've never said that 6mm people couldn't be detailed, or well painted, so I'm not quite sure how this all went off the rails, but you're arguing a point I've never made.

Edited (copiously) to condense and remove snark.

 Forar wrote:

 FacelessMage wrote:
Really? An Add?

Luckily there's only 5 days left in the campaign.

Though if this continues to escalate, I'm envisioning them covering 90% of the site by Wednesday afternoon.

The owner of the site posted about an opt out from the ads. Click the little x in the top left of the TOP banner ad and it hides the pics on both the top and bottom. I don't know if that works with multiple windows, logouts, etc but it got rid of the huge pics for me. I appreciate them having an opt out for it.


edit: Just logged out and it kept the preference. The way I see it, they could have been spamming ads the entire month but chose not to. As a dakka frequent freeloader (no DCM status), I have no issues with them ramping up the ads for the closing day or two of their KS.

I do, however, think it's silly to put two figures half a millimeter different in height side by side, blow up the image to 'need a magnifying glass to achieve the same in real life' levels, and proclaim that a mighty difference.

The difference between a model that is 5mm and 6mm is a 20% increase in height and size of equipment. 20% is not a small difference. A 6mm compared to a 9mm is 50% increase is size and bulk. If you think that there is no big deal to have 8-9 foot tall humans mucking about your table, then that's fine. But it's not insignificant or un-noticed. Particularly if you've also got smaller models on your table as well.





I, personally, have no problem with people putting z-scale on their own tables. I wouldn't do it, myself. I also wouldn't buy models from ranges that have significant size differences as they do look funny together.

8mm model next to a 1/300 King Tiger. That, my friend, does not look right...





Even GHQ's infantry has suffered scale creep and if you visit their forums there were a lot of dissatisfied customers because their American Airborne tower over their other infantry.

 Forar wrote:
This whole discussion started with people asking if a slightly different scale would be a big deal. I do think it's silly to put two figures half a millimeter different in height side by side, blow up the image to 'need a magnifying glass to achieve the same in real life' levels, and proclaim that a mighty difference.

It's not "half a millimeter" - it's 2 or 3 mm out of 6 mm. It's the difference between 5' shorty and supertall 8' giant.

You just said 1/200 is fine if one isn't particular about scale. Would you like to revise your earlier statement?

What the hell is going on in here this week?

O.o

 Forar wrote:
You just said 1/200 is fine if one isn't particular about scale. Would you like to revise your earlier statement?

What the hell is going on in here this week?

O.o

Wayne is on vacation and the hobby is collapsing.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Maelstrom missions for RRT?

Bite your tongue!
Next you would say I have to "forge the narrative" to keep the game alive.


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@n815e: okay I know Forar has done the equivalent of saying the Mona Lisa is some dame with a smirk to you.
We could talk about 40k 's 28mm being the same as the Lord of The Rings line.
I think the nasty bit was on what is "good enough".
Can always tell we are on a hobby topic when someone makes light of an element of the hobby someone else feels is important and they get excited.

My criteria got upped because I got proper 1:285 scale vehicles so a guy being taller than the bus would be a giveaway.
Plus the Veritechs are fairly thin so heroic scale figures alongside them would look poor.
I think that is why I posted the link: the "Lisa" model looked quite nice.
Thanks for pointing out some nice looking stuff.

Warboss: Wayne may not come back after seeing what a happy life is like.
It is probably really a layoff until they can get the money to grease the wheels of RRTW2 to get it back on the road.

Update: Hazzah! The bigger FLGS in my area sold 5 box sets in the last week.
Now if I can only find these people in 6 months time when they are done building.
Now buy 50 more... no, Kevin would just get more retail sets made and we would be no better off.
I wonder if they pay rent for storing the tooling.
Quick! Check Ali Babba and see if anything is being printed on the sly by the China manufacturer!

 Talizvar wrote:

Quick! Check Ali Babba and see if anything is being printed on the sly by the China manufacturer!

I dunno about China, but these Japanese guys make these awesome knock-offs called Macross...

 Stormonu wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

Quick! Check Ali Babba and see if anything is being printed on the sly by the China manufacturer!

I dunno about China, but these Japanese guys make these awesome knock-offs called Macross...

This is the elephant in the room we keep touching on:
When PB says "Models are hard guys!" we wonder how they are lacking for inspiration.
Just this search in google: "macross model kits" was more than enough to give the impression there is more than a little bit of product out there on this subject.

But guys! Reinventing the wheel to make such mouthwateri g minis is hard! It takes years to resize a 1/200 kit to 1/285! Then there are the difficult weeks where you cut and paste colors for painting guides and the long lonely nights inserting all the TM R C onto the box art assets. Life at Palladium isn't just photoshopped ducks, cruises, and cut and paste "updates", dontchyaknow?!

 warboss wrote:
But guys! Reinventing the wheel to make such mouthwateri g minis is hard! It takes years to resize a 1/200 kit to 1/285! Then there are the difficult weeks where you cut and paste colors for painting guides and the long lonely nights inserting all the TM R C onto the box art assets. Life at Palladium isn't just photoshopped ducks, cruises, and cut and paste "updates", dontchyaknow?!

You know, there are programs that can spit out a randomized list as a "thought of the day".
I think we have enough key phrases and words to fill a year's worth based on PB missives.
I could list them like above... but I am 98% sure it will just add to that "haters are gonna hate" thing I keep toying with.

I am now painting X-wing Armada fighters at the moment, take that one PB!
I would rather paint something as small as a fly than look at your product at the moment.

If you were painting normal x-wing, you could actually field them against the Robotech stuff as they're nominally the same scale.

 warboss wrote:
If you were painting normal x-wing, you could actually field them against the Robotech stuff as they're nominally the same scale.

I'm sorry, but according to an FFG article X-Wing is 1/270 scale, making it ~5% larger than it should be, which is clearly an utterly immersion breaking experience and you should be fired from a cannon into the sun for making it.

Heaven forbid you include a Corvette or a Transport! Google says that some dedicated folks have done the math more around a 1/390 scale! Immersions! BROKEN! SHATTERED! Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!! Oh god a game as popular as X-Wing has mixed scales making certain things roughly two thirds their appropriate size, surely it shall fail as the player base won't stand for this outrage!

>.>

:-P

Oh well, we're presumably 4-6 days away from The Big RRT(tm) Info Drop(c) Of Destiny(r), so that'll be interesting.

I mean, for varying values of 'interesting'.

The big difference being that people know from direct experience how big people and trucks and tanks actually are in the real world. When the scale is off by 10% or more, it's pretty obvious. In the real world, having a person stand as tall as a MBT or military truck is ridiculous.

In Star Wars, it's not nearly as obvious how big things are, given that they are usually backgrounded against the vacuum of space, or other non-scale objects. Having a giant ship somewhat less giant, while still dwarfing fighter craft, is not obviously an issue to someone who doesn't have the stats handy.

But you go on with the nonsense about scale not mattering.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
But you go on with the nonsense about scale not mattering.

Got into many discussions on how painted vs painted does not matter and defend the right not to paint to the death!

I could get into the lively discussion of the scale of the fighters is SW: Armada, just don't ruin my experience trying to paint the darn things.
Just remember when they release a proper Star Destroyer make sure you try to fit the Blockade Runner in that bottom opening.
I want to relive my classic SW experiences.
The Attack Wing Borg Cube will have nothing on that bad boy.

So, will PB give me a reason to continue working on RRT or shall it hit the shelf of shame until it becomes shiny again?
The suspected "out of money" problem will lead to the "good news!" we want to sell you more stuff while you wear the golden handcuffs with this KS.
There will be pictures probably of a sculpt because the classic methods are known and cost less.

Gotta love a captive audience.
If you want your money back, expect to spend more money.
We will be inducted in the forever hall of Valhalla as "fan/friends" which is located somewhere near Kevin's lost artwork and where all the unmatched socks go.

Guys guys guys I hear not all WH40K stuff is perfectly in scale either! Man they are going to have so much egg on their faces when people realize that!

:-P

Also it's amazing how butthurt people can get over a little humour.

And I'm not the kind of person that normally uses "butthurt".

That said, joking aside, I wonder if in hindsight FFG would've just gone with 1/390 Fighters and had smaller figures while remaining in scale with the larger ships?

If I actually cared I suppose I could Shapeways some 1/390 X-Wings and put them side by side (or more easily just MS paint some to the correct scale), but I'm not really that invested in the matter. Plus it might ruin my friend's already tenuous OCD based grasp on reality.

To steal a phrase from one of Dakka's most iconic posters...

...the thread is the most shamefully negative thread on all of Dakka Dakka!

 Alpharius wrote:
To steal a phrase from one of Dakka's most iconic posters...

...the thread is the most shamefully negative thread on all of Dakka Dakka!

Hooray, we're the best at something! :-D

Honestly I think this is just the calm before the storm.

Believe it or not, I'm hoping Palladium manages to not collectively step on their own wangs with this thing, but unless it ends with "oh yeah, Wave Two starts shipping tonight" or something massive like that, it's going to be hard to reach the 'mic drop' levels of awesome that 3+ months of teasing requires. I fear they've set themselves up for failure. Again.

Especially since we presumably already know most of the 'the really big super seeeekrit stuff' with GHQ.

Announcing KS2 would probably backfire spectacularly. Even breathing it would go over poorly.

But I've long held to be a guy who gives credit where credit is due.

They just haven't garnered any since the 5 piece renders were given 3 months ago.

 Alpharius wrote:
To steal a phrase from one of Dakka's most iconic posters...

...the thread is the most shamefully negative thread on all of Dakka Dakka!

I blame Palladium. Hrumpf!


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 Forar wrote:

Believe it or not, I'm hoping Palladium manages to not collectively step on their own wangs with this thing, but unless it ends with "oh yeah, Wave Two starts shipping tonight" or something massive like that, it's going to be hard to reach the 'mic drop' levels of awesome that 3+ months of teasing requires. I fear they've set themselves up for failure. Again.

Especially since we presumably already know most of the 'the really big super seeeekrit stuff' with GHQ.

Announcing KS2 would probably backfire spectacularly. Even breathing it would go over poorly.

But I've long held to be a guy who gives credit where credit is due.

They just haven't garnered any since the 5 piece renders were given 2.5 months ago.

I believe you and despite my pessimissim I'm in the same "I hope they don't screw up again" boat. It's frankly in OUR best interests if they don't so it really is a win win for all if they don't take L foot piece 1 glue it to R foot piece 2... dammit! why don't they label the sprue parts!... I mean L foot piece 2 and insert it into mouth parts 1, 2, and 3 right before kicking us with it in the the battloid nose cone pieces 1 and 2. I'm a robotech fanboy at heart and I went to their forums this weekend for the first time in a week and saw a thread on the upcoming marine book. The idea of REF destroids, the return of modern battlepods, and even new cyclones (hopefully not as ridiculously game breaking both figuratively and literally) got me a bit excited despite the utter clunkyness of the RPG (which I've been looking through again while painting tau). I'm just back to where I was years ago before the kickstarter gave me some hope in that I know without a doubt that Palladium is a grade A bunch of cocky screw ups. The 2 months where I hoped otherwise was a nice break though.

 Forar wrote:

Honestly I think this is just the calm before the storm.

If there's one thing that Simbieda has mastered, it's the response to the old riddle, "How do you keep an idiot in suspense?"

Merijeek wrote:

 Forar wrote:

Honestly I think this is just the calm before the storm.

If there's one thing that Simbieda has mastered, it's the response to the old riddle, "How do you keep an idiot in suspense?"

Are you calling 5,000+ people idiots? :(

 warboss wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

 Forar wrote:

Honestly I think this is just the calm before the storm.

If there's one thing that Simbieda has mastered, it's the response to the old riddle, "How do you keep an idiot in suspense?"

Are you calling 5,000+ people idiots? :(

Hey, I'm one of them. I can't wait to see what the big massive awesome June 1stish outcome will be.

Will it be disappointing or massively disappointing? Or will there be an unavoidable delay that will turn "June 1st big news" into "July-ish big news that totally won't be delayed again!" ?

No, I don't think they'll delay till July. They'll post something this week no matter what is going on behind the scenes even if their "big news" is something incredibly stupid (RobotechTM dice cup!) or something most folks who keep up with the (lack of)progress know about like the 6mm tanks and such.

 Alpharius wrote:
To steal a phrase from one of Dakka's most iconic posters...
...the thread is the most shamefully negative thread on all of Dakka Dakka!

Please warn us if we become "insufferably negative" and we can try to steer a more hopeful course.
I think there is nothing considered shameful in it however, it is a rather brazen and bold negativity in the face of narcissism!
I think I would be lost without this thread before some closure could reached (or to be had at all).
At least we have one of the more indulgent long suffering mods monitoring.
A backer perchance?
Or unable to look away from a car crash.

Anyway, yes, I hope the next announcement will be of eyewatering positivity to get me out of my negative funk.

Merijeek wrote:
"June 1st big news"

Their wording on that continues to catch people.

will be in a position to start revealing them the week of June 1, 2015

Which given their old update timeline and ongoing Newsletter timeline, means Friday or Saturday evening.

It's not impossible that'll get changed up, it's happened before, but those are the 'technically correct' style interpretation I'm going with for now until they get something posted.