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2013/04/28 04:56:11
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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I hear people calling them furies and heretics but can't see why, I find them some of the only likable loyalist Legions who had much sense or lack of hypocrisy in them, as opposed to the Angels Dark or Blood who conceal their flaws and act zealously to almost to compensate for their flaws. Or how bout the self important Fist who lost every battle since the start of the Horus Heresy and turned two Legions to Chaos . The Ultramarines deserve hate just because their featured to much in the fluff and because of Matt Ward.
The Wolves are probably the best that remained Loyal to the Emperor, the fact that they were allowed to mimic Horus's Legion and refer to themselves as the Emperor executioners says a lot about where they stood. In a way I'd the Wolves might have been the greatest Legion because they were the only Legion to be allowed to stay a Legion and not be divided into chapters.
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2013/04/28 05:25:42
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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They're werewolves, lol.
and heretics
Well that's just silly.
but can't see why, I find them some of the only likable loyalist Legions who had much sense or lack of hypocrisy in them,
Not touching this, been done.
as opposed to the Angels Dark or Blood who conceal their flaws and act zealously to almost to compensate for their flaws.
Dark Angels sure. Blood Angels? No, get out.
What's that, they have a flaw they are ashamed of and are as such inspired to be the best they can be? Why, how positively unlikable!
Or how bout the self important Fist who lost every battle since the start of the Horus Heresy and turned two Legions to Chaos.
This is an opinion brought on by lack of knowledge regarding the fluff. Curze and Perturabo made their choices. Also, Primarch =/= Chapter.
The Ultramarines deserve hate just because their featured to much in the fluff and because of Matt Ward.
lolbias.
The Wolves are probably the best that remained Loyal to the Emperor, the fact that they were allowed to mimic Horus's Legion and refer to themselves as the Emperor executioners says a lot about where they stood. In a way I'd the Wolves might have been the greatest Legion because they were the only Legion to be allowed to stay a Legion and not be divided into chapters.
The Space Wolves are not a Legion. They number less than two thousand Marines.
Mimic Horus' Legion?
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2013/04/28 05:25:58
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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The reason they remained a Legion is because they kill anyone of authority that comes to question them, and somehow this is okay for them but not any other member of the Imperium. Oh, and they are Space Marines but they are actually better than Space Marines while also being drunken human Viking stereotypes. They lord over a single deathworld of primitives, yet somehow have the human man-power to crew a fleet bigger than that of a Segmentum. They get to flaunt the Imperial Truth and cling to superstitions, they judge their brethren while guilty of many of the same infractions (Blood Angels, Thousand Sons, World Eaters, etc.). They get to execute members of the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy and its totally okay. Oh, and they get to be the only Space Marines with working junk.
They are basically a teenager's fanwank version of Space Marines. They were Wardian before Ward.
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2013/04/28 05:28:32
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Confessor Of Sins
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And let's not talk about how honorably they treat the Ecclisiarchy and Inquisition. A bunch of short-sighted barbarians who endanger billions and threaten other Imperial factions because it is such a good idea.
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Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
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2013/04/28 05:34:05
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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I assume it has little to do with the actual fluff, but more to do with SM in general being the poster boys of GW. Popularity comes with the haters too. Just my 2c.
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2013/04/28 05:36:06
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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 TheDiscoSpider wrote:I assume it has little to do with the actual fluff, but more to do with SM in general being the poster boys of GW. Hate comes with popularity. Just my 2c.
No, it's literally all of their fluff. In the studio material, they are more human than human more Space Marine than Space Marine Mary Sues. In the BL material, they are colossal fools and donkey-caves.
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2013/04/28 05:50:21
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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 Omegus wrote: TheDiscoSpider wrote:I assume it has little to do with the actual fluff, but more to do with SM in general being the poster boys of GW. Hate comes with popularity. Just my 2c.
No, it's literally all of their fluff. In the studio material, they are more human than human more Space Marine than Space Marine Mary Sues. In the BL material, they are colossal fools and donkey-caves.
I haven't read any BL material on SW's, but I've read a bit of the codex and I'm aware of the disparity between sources. Personally, Codices > BL, in terms of 'canonicity'.
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"When the traitor's hand strikes, it strikes with the strength of a Legion."
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2013/04/28 06:06:50
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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 curran12 wrote:And let's not talk about how honorably they treat the Ecclisiarchy and Inquisition. A bunch of short-sighted barbarians who endanger billions and threaten other Imperial factions because it is such a good idea.
And don't forget how honorably the Ecclisiarchy and Inquisition treat the common man....
Armaggedon : -Rich and Influential - no corruption
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Omegus wrote: TheDiscoSpider wrote:I assume it has little to do with the actual fluff, but more to do with SM in general being the poster boys of GW. Hate comes with popularity. Just my 2c.
No, it's literally all of their fluff. In the studio material, they are more human than human more Space Marine than Space Marine Mary Sues. In the BL material, they are colossal fools and donkey-caves.
In your opinion...no doubt...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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8013/10/07 06:48:31
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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TheDiscoSpider wrote: Omegus wrote: TheDiscoSpider wrote:I assume it has little to do with the actual fluff, but more to do with SM in general being the poster boys of GW. Hate comes with popularity. Just my 2c.
No, it's literally all of their fluff. In the studio material, they are more human than human more Space Marine than Space Marine Mary Sues. In the BL material, they are colossal fools and donkey-caves.
I haven't read any BL material on SW's, but I've read a bit of the codex and I'm aware of the disparity between sources. Personally, Codices > BL, in terms of 'canonicity'.
There is no canon in 40K.
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2013/04/28 06:51:53
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
Isstvan III
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Omegus wrote: TheDiscoSpider wrote: Omegus wrote: TheDiscoSpider wrote:I assume it has little to do with the actual fluff, but more to do with SM in general being the poster boys of GW. Hate comes with popularity. Just my 2c.
No, it's literally all of their fluff. In the studio material, they are more human than human more Space Marine than Space Marine Mary Sues. In the BL material, they are colossal fools and donkey-caves.
I haven't read any BL material on SW's, but I've read a bit of the codex and I'm aware of the disparity between sources. Personally, Codices > BL, in terms of 'canonicity'.
There is no canon in 40K.
Hence the quotation marks 
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"When the traitor's hand strikes, it strikes with the strength of a Legion."
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2013/04/28 07:49:28
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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You mean pulling out the spine of one of his brothers because the dude tried to use magic to stop horus's possession by chaos and then warn the papa does not qualify Russ to be labled a dbag? Not to mention he was perfectly fine with his own people using magic provided it was shamanistically themed rather than pointy hat theme.
If the wolves had just stayed home playing with chicken bones and space ale, the heresy might actually have been stopped by magnus.
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The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
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2013/04/28 07:59:08
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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 DarthMarko wrote: curran12 wrote:And let's not talk about how honorably they treat the Ecclisiarchy and Inquisition. A bunch of short-sighted barbarians who endanger billions and threaten other Imperial factions because it is such a good idea.
And don't forget how honorably the Ecclisiarchy and Inquisition treat the common man....
Armaggedon : -Rich and Influential - no corruption
-Common grunts - working camps
Boohoo, waaah, the rich and privileged get special treatment. Oh the injustice! Welcome to humanity circa always.
The Ecclesiarchy and Inquisition are dicks, but this is a universe of real metaphysical dangers. A few thousand innocents die to prevent one from becoming the scourge of millions? Good deal. And it's fine if the Wolves want to be the kewl hipsters who flaunt authority, but they never suffer any consequences for their actions.
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2013/04/28 08:03:04
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Is this regarding the Wolves as a Legion, as a Chapter, or both? Because there seems to be radical differences between the two.
Personally, I don't particularly care for the Wolves as a Legion, but they are my favourite Chapter.
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2013/04/28 08:04:32
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Ofc - disregard the Empeor, Tzeench, Horus and Magnus...
SW are to blame... 
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/28 08:05:30
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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 Just Dave wrote:Is this regarding the Wolves as a Legion, as a Chapter, or both? Because there seems to be radical differences between the two.
Personally, I don't particularly care for the Wolves as a Legion, but they are my favourite Chapter.
I'm somewhat different. I don't really like the Wolves as a chapter, but I think their portrayal in Prospero Burns was kewl.
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2013/04/28 08:08:30
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Fixture of Dakka
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 Void__Dragon wrote: Just Dave wrote:Is this regarding the Wolves as a Legion, as a Chapter, or both? Because there seems to be radical differences between the two.
Personally, I don't particularly care for the Wolves as a Legion, but they are my favourite Chapter.
I'm somewhat different. I don't really like the Wolves as a chapter, but I think their portrayal in Prospero Burns was kewl.
Yeah, I found them kewl, but not particularly nice guys.
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2013/04/28 08:09:26
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Omegus wrote: DarthMarko wrote: curran12 wrote:And let's not talk about how honorably they treat the Ecclisiarchy and Inquisition. A bunch of short-sighted barbarians who endanger billions and threaten other Imperial factions because it is such a good idea.
And don't forget how honorably the Ecclisiarchy and Inquisition treat the common man....
Armaggedon : -Rich and Influential - no corruption
-Common grunts - working camps
Boohoo, waaah, the rich and privileged get special treatment. Oh the injustice! Welcome to humanity circa always.
The Ecclesiarchy and Inquisition are dicks, but this is a universe of real metaphysical dangers. A few thousand innocents die to prevent one from becoming the scourge of millions? Good deal. And it's fine if the Wolves want to be the kewl hipsters who flaunt authority, but they never suffer any consequences for their actions.
Bo hoo, you jumped in your words.... A few thousand innocents die, but not the ruling caste - chaos incursion imminent....So " A few thousand innocents die to prevent one from becoming the scourge of millions " isn't the radical safety measure ...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/28 08:12:09
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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I don't believe characters have to be personally endearing to be "likable".
A lot of my favorite characters are ass clowns.
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2013/04/28 08:16:42
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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DarthMarko wrote:Ofc - disregard the Empeor, Tzeench, Horus and Magnus...
SW are to blame...
I never said to blame, but magnus was very actively trying to stop gak till russ ripped his spine out.
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ERJAK wrote:
The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
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2013/04/28 08:17:55
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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DarthMarko wrote:
Bo hoo, you jumped in your words.... A few thousand innocents die, but not the ruling caste - chaos incursion imminent....So " A few thousand innocents die to prevent one from becoming the scourge of millions " isn't the radical safety measure ...
The ruling caste was shipped off world before the incursion proper; the rest were left behind to either be conscripted into the battle, or to cower in their houses hoping for the best. Their potential level of exposure was far greater.
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2013/04/28 08:18:30
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Void__Dragon wrote:
I don't believe characters have to be personally endearing to be "likable".
A lot of my favorite characters are ass clowns.
I can somewhat agree with that myself, and the sense of humour in Prospero Burns certainly drew me to them.
But, personally, I'm always much more fond of the good guys, and less so the bad guys. It's generally a case of me being able to like the former, and respect the latter; people seemed to pick up on this pretty quickly in my Primarch ranking thread. Therefore, I actively like the Space Wolves chapter, but i can respect the Legion.
When I'm at a computer/have more time, I'll elaborate upon why I like/respect the Wolves; as opposed to why others hate them.
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2013/04/28 08:20:10
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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@davou -Nope, Magnus tried to stop Horus, but failed...rest is Tzeenchy (who had Magnus the moment he made that deal)...*check paradox theory in "gues who is BR-s primarch"....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/28 08:24:54
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Just Dave wrote:I can somewhat agree with that myself, and the sense of humour in Prospero Burns certainly drew me to them.
But, personally, I'm always much more fond of the good guys, and less so the bad guys. It's generally a case of me being able to like the former, and respect the latter; people seemed to pick up on this pretty quickly in my Primarch ranking thread. Therefore, I actively like the Space Wolves chapter, but i can respect the Legion.
When I'm at a computer/have more time, I'll elaborate upon why I like/respect the Wolves; as opposed to why others hate them.
I am admittedly something of the opposite, lol.
I tend to strongly prefer villainous curs. Ser Gregor Clegane being my favorite A Song of Ice and Fire character, terribly enough.
Magnus is actually uncharacteristically "nice" for one of my favorite characters. For reference, second place among Primarchs is probably like, Perturabo or Angron. Maybe Lorgar. But then Sanguinius is another favorite, hm.
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2013/04/28 08:25:29
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Omegus wrote: DarthMarko wrote:
Bo hoo, you jumped in your words.... A few thousand innocents die, but not the ruling caste - chaos incursion imminent....So " A few thousand innocents die to prevent one from becoming the scourge of millions " isn't the radical safety measure ...
The ruling caste was shipped off world before the incursion proper; the rest were left behind to either be conscripted into the battle, or to cower in their houses hoping for the best. Their potential level of exposure was far greater.
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/28 08:26:06
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Very convincing argument you have there Marko.
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2013/04/28 08:29:43
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Yes - because doctor for chaos level threat has spoken and this isn't really an argument...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/28 08:30:31
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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DarthMarko wrote:Ofc - disregard the Empeor, Tzeench, Horus and Magnus...
SW are to blame...
Why does everything turn into a Thousand Sons thing with you? Sanguinius mentioned to Horus that "judgemental Russ" was someone he didn't want to know about the Blood Angels' curse, Malcador commented that Russ' impetuousness really messed things up, the Rout held to the primitive superstitions of their planet even at the height of the Imperium's anti-mysticism, and ADB's ramblings about "lessons" notwithstanding, Russ had no authority to be ordering Angron around. That's the Space Wolves' shtick, in all of their stories; they continuously overstep their bounds and flout authority, and never suffer any consequences for their actions. I'm all for the noble vikings that do "the right thing" at great cost, but the Wolves seem to live in an alternate sunshine and lollipops version of the 40K universe where they never suffer any setbacks.
I now wait with baited breath for your scintillating counter-argument where you throw up a cutesy emoticon and maybe call me a Thousand Sons fanboy. 
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2013/04/28 08:32:22
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Ehh
People will always hate you when your the best at what you do.
And what the SW do,is give a big FU to everyone else.
I kind of love them for it.
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2013/04/28 08:40:43
Subject: Re:Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Omegus wrote: DarthMarko wrote:Ofc - disregard the Empeor, Tzeench, Horus and Magnus...
SW are to blame...
Why does everything turn into a Thousand Sons thing with you? Sanguinius mentioned to Horus that "judgemental Russ" was someone he didn't want to know about the Blood Angels' curse, Malcador commented that Russ' impetuousness really messed things up, the Rout held to the primitive superstitions of their planet even at the height of the Imperium's anti-mysticism, and ADB's ramblings about "lessons" notwithstanding, Russ had no authority to be ordering Angron around. That's the Space Wolves' shtick, in all of their stories; they continuously overstep their bounds and flout authority, and never suffer any consequences for their actions. I'm all for the noble vikings that do "the right thing" at great cost, but the Wolves seem to live in an alternate sunshine and lollipops version of the 40K universe where they never suffer any setbacks.
I now wait with baited breath for your scintillating counter-argument where you throw up a cutesy emoticon and maybe call me a Thousand Sons fanboy.
Because I like the TS (especially Ahriman's renegades) as much as I like the rout...I don't like Magnus....
ADB's ramblings about "lessons" notwithstanding ??? LOL
Tell him that on his FB page...
Also "get out of jail card (for the rich bastards)" was in the aftermath....So stop twisting the facts....
Were the "I" absolute in their actions??? NO...!
There is no middle ground...If they were I could even understand them....
Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Snogs wrote:Ehh
People will always hate you when your the best at what you do.
And what the SW do,is give a big FU to everyone else.
I kind of love them for it.
Me too...Exalted +
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/28 10:12:23
Subject: Why the Space Wolf hate.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I personally dislike the Space Wolves for their disunity.
Mankind must be united against the threats from within and without, yet if the Space Wolves think their way is better, then feth everyone else, they'll do it their way.
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Fluff for the Fluff God! 