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Beaviz81 wrote: Is it that bad? I mean it's just a game, no reason to start World War III. Then again I'm of the mindset that if you see something you don't like, you don't discuss it. You don't see me discussing Tau f.ex.
It can be when you are called TFG before you can finish pull your 1st Grey Hunter Pack out of your storage tray.
And this is from a guy who I had only met 20min before the game.
You should have given him a frakking black-eye or force-fed him his figures.
If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing.
Beaviz81 wrote: Is it that bad? I mean it's just a game, no reason to start World War III. Then again I'm of the mindset that if you see something you don't like, you don't discuss it. You don't see me discussing Tau f.ex.
It can be when you are called TFG before you can finish pull your 1st Grey Hunter Pack out of your storage tray.
And this is from a guy who I had only met 20min before the game.
You should have given him a frakking black-eye or force-fed him his figures.
I though about it, but that would't have solved helped our cause. I jus tabled him, witch i hindsight did not help either.
Beaviz81 wrote: What the hell did Marko do wrong now VD? He was just quoting fluff.
He was tossing around his interpretation which relies on a lot of assumptions to portray his point, whatever that may have been, as fact.
As Omegus said before, "this is not our first rodeo", I'm wise to what's going on.
As for brother riding brother that's from Magnus the Red, AKA Mr. Enemy. It just can't be bought.
"There were no wolves on Fenris... Before we were here."
- A Space Wolf
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Kain wrote: One thing I want to know, how does a legion that consists of ten to a hundred thousand space marines that never divided itself drop to one and a half thousand full-fledged battle brothers plus the standard vehicle crews and whatnot who usually aren't' included on the official roster. Their recruitment rates seem to be good and they didn't go through any truly catastrophic losses. Unless the wolves are pulling a fast one on the imperium and each great pack secretly consists of a thousand or more battle brothers.
The Space Wolves did divide itself once, the successor chapter blew up.
They also lost a lot of Marines during the Horus Heresy.
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Beaviz81 wrote: It's deliberate. He actually believes the wolves on Fenris came from humans.
Because the text strongly implies as much.
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even the Emperor himself had to humor wealthy and influential individuals...see Outcast Dead, for example
If he hadn't maybe Horus wouldn't have rebelled. The Emperor was a great general but had no understanding of human nature. Half of his Legions were created from downtrodden, given superhuman abilities, yet still suppose to serve the interest of the former oppressors as opposed to kill them. Its the same thing that happened in the Roman Empire, they create Legions where a sense of egalitarianism thrives and then are surprised when they follow Caesar to overthrow a group of corrupt nobles.
Like the great storm of the Horus Heresy, the forces of the True Gods will descend upon the Emperor's minions. The stars will tremble at their passage and the mighty armadas of the Warmaster Abaddon will bring annihilation to a hundred worlds. Know this, for these things will come to pass.
The Traitor Marines fell because their Primarchs did.
People almost identical to them. Just look at how it was the more aristocratic Legions that stayed loyal with the Emp kids being the only exception.
Like the great storm of the Horus Heresy, the forces of the True Gods will descend upon the Emperor's minions. The stars will tremble at their passage and the mighty armadas of the Warmaster Abaddon will bring annihilation to a hundred worlds. Know this, for these things will come to pass.
The White Scars and Space Wolves were also loyalists. As is Lion El'Jonson (Kinda), Ferrus Manus, Vulkan, and Corvus Corax. None can really be described as particularly "aristocratic," many of them hailing from Feral Worlds, or just a few steps above.
The traitors? They have Magnus, who fell to a planet of sorcerers and scholars, became their king, and presides over a scholarly, well-cultured Legion. They have Perturabo and the Iron Warriors, Perturabo being a lover of ancient archaeology and history, and is a peerless architect and desired nothing more than to create cities and worlds in much the same manner as Guilliman. They have Lorgar, a scholar like Magnus, more high priest than warrior, who ruled over his civilized world after supplanting the old religion.
VD it came from mister enemy. It shall be laid the same weight as my word when I'm talking about the unsavory shower-scenes for teams i played football against.
If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing.
I consider Lorgar and Magnus to be more like the philosopher kings of old, more feudalistic than any modern form of elitism(and yes I believe their is a big difference even if its not a moral one). The Wolf being the only one I liked because he lived free, the Emperor afforded him freedom because he needed someone who could act with a free hand, just like he used the Night Lords against mortals he used the Wolves against the astartes.
Like the great storm of the Horus Heresy, the forces of the True Gods will descend upon the Emperor's minions. The stars will tremble at their passage and the mighty armadas of the Warmaster Abaddon will bring annihilation to a hundred worlds. Know this, for these things will come to pass.
1.The wolves blew up their home planet like a boss 2.The wolves kicked their ass like a boss 3.The others are upset that there primarch is %100 dead 4.Russ is a boss 5.They dislike vikings 6.The space wolves should actully be the model that the legions are built around, each individual chapter capable of working by itself, free from needing other chapters.
^This, ALL OF THIS. And pratically because, while many users who "don't like" the SW will say otherwise, the Wolves are pratically the Good Guys along with the Salamanders and the Raven Guard (Shriiiiiiiiike!) of the SM Chapters. And yes, is written in the Codex: "in a Galaxy of eternal war, there are heroes" or something like that.
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The wolves are back! *feral howl* "Si vis pacem para bellum"
When and were VD? And explain how Leman Russ was reared by a she-wolf with that quote. And please find me where it's stated. And do a proper job like Lynata does (really strange claims must be backed up). I don't mean to come off as rude, but that is something you need to substasiate VD.
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If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing.
Beaviz81 wrote: What the hell did Marko do wrong now VD? He was just quoting fluff.
He was tossing around his interpretation which relies on a lot of assumptions to portray his point, whatever that may have been, as fact.
As Omegus said before, "this is not our first rodeo", I'm wise to what's going on.
I presented the facts - what's the problem (Armaggeddon)?
If anyone twists the facts it's the guys who have hate glasses on.... (read:* wolf riding a battle brother ???* )
and check how many people respond to your comments in a negative manner, and see how many are responding to mine......
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
^ Thing is, hate is 10x worse then fanboism....
Just try to say something positive (read out of proportion :-)about your favorite legion * blam* hate trolls go out...
We actually had a targeted troll bait on B&C, just to see how people respond to a certain comments...It's was enlightening :-) * and funny too *....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Honorable in this case meant treason, naïveté, and the responsibility for billions of deaths.
“The Wolves had thwarted us. You could look at that as the actions of a noble brotherhood, seeking to see the galaxy through a moral purity that simply didn’t exist, even if it deserved to.
It would be more realistic, if somewhat less kind, to remember that the Wolves must have known how we’d react. The Inquisition was never going to sit idle while such a horrendous secret spread through the Imperium.
The Grey Knights and our Inquisitorial masters pulled every trigger in the months that followed. I would never deny that.
But the Wolves must have known what we’d do. The Inquisition’s hand had been forced. It could be argued then, that the Wolves shared some of the blame for the billions of lives we ended after Armageddon.
I don’t blame them, myself. They are Adeptus Astartes, bred to be weapons first and reasoning souls second. They would consider it the coward’s way – the way of the immoral enemy – to prevent a greater evil by committing a lesser evil. There’s honour in that. There’s a simple, ignorant, honour.
They are, to be blunt, not pragmatic creatures. There’s no room for pragmatism in honour.
But we were born, schooled, trained and sworn to see a greater picture, beyond personal honour and the lives of a few million souls. Our mandate was to defend the species itself, and the lives of billions were always of greater value than the millions.
I admire the Wolves. I even forgive them for their narrow-minded, stubborn honour. I hold no grudge that their actions meant we were forced to silence ten billion innocent voices instead of a few million potentially corrupt ones.
But the Inquisition is not so forgiving.”
Because it was a Space Wolf that said "There were no wolves on Fenris before we were here".
A. There are no wolves on Fenris that aren't Space Wolves.
B. Failed applicants or those who fall to berserker rages transform into wolf-like creatures.
C. Space Wolves ride wolf-like creatures into battle.
Do the math, folks, it's so easy even a Space Wolf could do it.
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Yet, the "I" was incopetent (political) and some of the population, which witnesed the event was left...So say goodbye to absolute measures theory...
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
A. There are no wolves on Fenris that aren't Space Wolves.
B. Failed applicants or those who fall to berserker rages transform into wolf-like creatures.
C. Space Wolves ride wolf-like creatures into battle.
Do the math, folks, it's so easy even a Space Wolf could do it.
A. Yes there was - Russ was raised by one
B Yes - In Wulfen
C Yes - In worse case scenario they ride the mutated, first colonists....But this was Magnus's in-universe observation
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Beaviz81 wrote: Ehm the wolf-thingy is a joke, not biology. I mean come-on it's not really funny.
It is to them...which is pretty pathetic...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Disregard it, it was a wise-crack from Magnus. They doesn't mutate into wolves. It's like me claiming Grane's coach performed statutory rape or people from Holt are inbred. That speech from an enemy, and it must be treated like such.
If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing.
DarthMarko wrote: Yet, the "I" was incopetent (political) and some of the population, which witnesed the event was left...So say goodbye to absolute measures theory...
The entire population was "left". The dispute was over the soldiers who fought the Archenemy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Russ being raised by wolves is a legend. And they do mutate into wolves/wulfen. You don't wonder why their etiquete calls for sniffing each other's butts upon meeting?
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DarthMarko wrote: Yet, the "I" was incopetent (political) and some of the population, which witnesed the event was left...So say goodbye to absolute measures theory...
The entire population was "left". The dispute was over the soldiers who fought the Archenemy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Russ being raised by wolves is a legend. And they do mutate into wolves/wulfen. You don't wonder why their etiquete calls for sniffing each other's butts upon meeting?
dude....
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Beaviz81 wrote: When and were VD? And explain how Leman Russ was reared by a she-wolf with that quote. And please find me where it's stated. And do a proper job like Lynata does (really strange claims must be backed up). I don't mean to come off as rude, but that is something you need to substasiate VD.
Spoiler:
The wolf maintained its grip until the bull gave up its last,
trembling rumble, then it let go. Blood dripped from its snout. It
padded around the massive corpse twice, moving quickly, head
low, sniffing.
It stopped beside the head of its kill, and raised its own head,
ears upright, to stare at Hawser. Its eyes were golden and blackpinned.
Hawser stared back. He knew if he tried to get back on
his feet, the wolf would still be taller than him.
‘There are no wolves on Fenris.’
Hawser looked up. Longfang was standing beside him, staring
at the wolf.
‘That’s evidently not true at all,’ Hawser replied in a tiny voice.
Longfang grinned down at him.
‘Try to keep up, skjald. There were no wolves on Fenris until
we got here.’
Longfang looked back at the wolf.
‘Twice he’s helped protect you,’ he said.
‘What?’ asked Hawser.
‘He had a different name last time you were in his company,’
said Longfang. ‘Then, he was called Brom.’
The black wolf turned and ran for the forest, accelerating as only
a mammalian apex predator can. It vanished into the enormous
darkness under the evergreens.
After a few seconds, Hawser saw its eyes staring out of the
blackness at them: luminous, gold and black-pinned.
It took him another few moments to realise that there were another
ten thousand pairs of eyes watching them from the shadows
of the forest.
Bam. From chapter eight of Prospero Burns, near the end of it. I can't give you a page number because I have it via ebook, in pdf form.
As for the story of Leman Russ, there are two main possibilities:
A. It's a myth.
B. He was raised by the original, mutated human settlers of Fenris.
So its totally okay for you to infer or fabricate details out of a single line of text, but when faced with a whole paragraph of narrative it's all jokes. You're so biased and disingenuous, nothing you say has any value.
For what it's worth, it is a fact that more than the occasional Space Wolf mutates into a wolf-like monster, is kept under the Fang, and unleashed when needed for battle.
Beaviz81 wrote: When and were VD? And explain how Leman Russ was reared by a she-wolf with that quote. And please find me where it's stated. And do a proper job like Lynata does (really strange claims must be backed up). I don't mean to come off as rude, but that is something you need to substasiate VD.
Spoiler:
The wolf maintained its grip until the bull gave up its last,
trembling rumble, then it let go. Blood dripped from its snout. It
padded around the massive corpse twice, moving quickly, head
low, sniffing.
It stopped beside the head of its kill, and raised its own head,
ears upright, to stare at Hawser. Its eyes were golden and blackpinned.
Hawser stared back. He knew if he tried to get back on
his feet, the wolf would still be taller than him.
‘There are no wolves on Fenris.’
Hawser looked up. Longfang was standing beside him, staring
at the wolf.
‘That’s evidently not true at all,’ Hawser replied in a tiny voice.
Longfang grinned down at him.
‘Try to keep up, skjald. There were no wolves on Fenris until
we got here.’
Longfang looked back at the wolf.
‘Twice he’s helped protect you,’ he said.
‘What?’ asked Hawser.
‘He had a different name last time you were in his company,’
said Longfang. ‘Then, he was called Brom.’
The black wolf turned and ran for the forest, accelerating as only
a mammalian apex predator can. It vanished into the enormous
darkness under the evergreens.
After a few seconds, Hawser saw its eyes staring out of the
blackness at them: luminous, gold and black-pinned.
It took him another few moments to realise that there were another
ten thousand pairs of eyes watching them from the shadows
of the forest.
Bam. From chapter eight of Prospero Burns, near the end of it. I can't give you a page number because I have it via ebook, in pdf form.
As for the story of Leman Russ, there are two main possibilities:
A. It's a myth.
B. He was raised by the original, mutated human settlers of Fenris.
Anyway, may I have everyone's concession please?
Hmmm, perhaps, but all I see is hints and misdirections and alternative interpretations... They were fething Hawser from the moment he stepped on Fenris....
They even couldn't explain terran vs fenrisian (canix helix) connection....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
The wolves are back! *feral howl* 
out of proportion :-)about your favorite legion * blam* hate trolls go out...
Fluff for the Fluff God! 
