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Okay a guy grinning while telling a story is my argument for it being a joke. It's sort of like me telling you that German's greet each-other with sieg heils. It's a joke nothing more nothing less.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Okay a guy grinning while telling a story is my argument for it being a joke. It's sort of like me telling you that German's greet each-other with sieg heils. It's a joke nothing more nothing less.

Of course it could be acceptance, that he knows it's possible for all to become like that should things fall before them.

Yeah and basic biology speaks against you.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah and basic biology speaks against you.

Basic biology stops mattering in a Universe where in specific parts of the galaxy, that Physics stops mattering.

Not that there's anything basic about the Space marine biology to begin with..

Things once bipedal doesn't turn four-legged. I'm sorry I can buy wolf-like traits, but not humans turning into wolves.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Things once bipedal doesn't turn four-legged. I'm sorry I can buy wolf-like traits, but not humans turning into wolves.

You're serious aren't you?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bran_Redmaw#.UX2nBcqKL_A

This guy, right here. Literally transforms into a giant, mutated Wolf Creature. This is not hyperbole, this is not a transformation like the wulfen. This is where his power armor bursts apart and he becomes a giant, freaking, werewolf.

"Wolf-Traits" doesn't cover it, and it's very likely they can fully shift if they can grow far taller, stronger, faster, grow actual claws that can rend power armor and TANKS, and be able to tear open a Land Raider.

Also in this universe, a Primarch was born with Fully Functional Wings. Somehow biology doesn't seem like it matters beyond a few circumstances!

You are forgeting Freki and Geri (who fought at Russ's side) and mama she-wolf , there are Wulfen legends which predate SW, and there were gene tampered colonists....
Ooo, and there is codex/index astartes which specificaly states that humans killed his wolf mother IIRC....


O there is guy on B&C who thinks this

Magnus suggested that the only reason you see a wolf is you expect to see a wolf. I always figured that to the thousand Sons they were warp spirits that had taken animal form. To the Vlka Fenrika they are the spirits of slain battle brothers that have found there way back to fenris. :


t could be put into prospero burnes conversation, and life and death circle theory ... However I think it's rather dumb....


Damn this teasers...I think BL is messing with us too often...

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Things once bipedal doesn't turn four-legged. I'm sorry I can buy wolf-like traits, but not humans turning into wolves.

You do realize that this is a setting where sticks can shoot bullets because enough green people think they can right?

I disregard things which go against basic biology. Bipedal creatures just don't adopt the gait of a four-legged creature. That is insanity. And Sanguinius was a freak, he had some awesome chest-muscles to pull that off.

Had Sanguinus been a swan then I guess people would protest. And his communication was though hissing and drowning people for no good reason.

Wolf-like doesn't mean being a wolf. I'm actually as baffled as Marko that people are arguing this point as it seem like a point of insanity.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
I disregard things which go against basic biology. Bipedal creatures just don't adopt the gait of a four-legged creature. That is insanity. And Sanguinius was a freak, he had some awesome chest-muscles to pull that off.

Had Sanguinus been a swan then I guess people would protest. And his communication was though hissing and drowning people for no good reason.

Wolf-like doesn't mean being a wolf. I'm actually as baffled as Marko that people are arguing this point as it seem like a point of insanity.

Because there is a guy who literally becomes a MC wolf creature (not "traits or anything resembling those" Because it certainly is not A slight degree or amount, as of a quality that bursts out of his power armor, (Which considering the strength of Power Armor..) becomes able to rip Land Raiders (With Smash at S10) He gains the ability to fleet (most likely because his body has changed to accommodate it)

I'm quite baffled at the denial at this.There's an example right there of something going beyond "Wolf-Traits"

Also if you dis-regard things that go against basic biology, you must ignore chaos, orks, and eldar. And must not see many things of space marines considering all those "Non Biological functions" that their bodies have within them.

Unless there's a species of creature out there that can eat brains, and gain knowledge..Would be kinda cool if you know any.

Yeah by adding muscle, not changing species.

Wait, didn't you just dismiss biology earlier because the Warp exists?

Space Wolves are werewolves, some of them turn into freakish monsters. They used these monsters on Prospero and the Battle for the Fang.

You're basically just putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalalalalalicanthearyouandidontliketoreadlalalawolfsrkewllala".

Your self-delusion would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

 Kain wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Things once bipedal doesn't turn four-legged. I'm sorry I can buy wolf-like traits, but not humans turning into wolves.

You do realize that this is a setting where sticks can shoot bullets because enough green people think they can rites?

Facepalming-time. I suddenly understand how Marko feels.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah by adding muscle, not changing species.

Which would break basic biology, as muscle mass would not increase one from a standard T4, to T6, as muscle mass does not stop bullets in any meaningful way.

Hitting yourself repeatedly in the face doesn't help you look any smarter. Just saying.

 Omegus wrote:
Wait, didn't you just dismiss biology earlier because the Warp exists?

Space Wolves are werewolves, some of them turn into freakish monsters. They used these monsters on Prospero and the Battle for the Fang.

You're basically just putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalalalalalicanthearyouandidontliketoreadlalalawolfsrkewllala".

Your self-delusion would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

You are twisting my words. Stop doing that, I'm using basic biology to defend the Space Wolves. And you are launching it's WH40k. at me, Crazy things happens.


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah by adding muscle, not changing species.

Which would break basic biology, as muscle mass would not increase one from a standard T4, to T6, as muscle mass does not stop bullets in any meaningful way.

I'm not talking effect on the TT, and how tdoes this affect gait in anyway, stop substituting reality for you own.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah by adding muscle, not changing species.

Need I remind you that in this universe a ten ton Laius Horror can hide completely undetected in a seventy kilo guardsmen without killing him right away? Expecting warhammer to be hard sci-fi is like trying to prove human intelligence by using yahoo answers and YouTube comments as your sample pool.

I'm not talking effect on the TT, and how tdoes this affect gait in anyway, stop substituting reality for you own.

This comment coming from you? Honestly it's quite hilarious in some easy to notice, Ironic ways.

Then bring your proof, you've got nothing backing you but basic biology (Which doesn't mean what you think it means). In a universe where colonists have altered genes to become more wolf-like, to going from two legged to four legged where this is listed as FACT.

I'm sorry, but you need something besides "basic biology" to hide behind.

Basic biology? They are gene-enhanced human werewolves. There are multiple instances of this described in the fluff.

I take my previous words back, it wouldn't be funny if it wasn't so sad. Your denial is funny BECAUSE it's so sad.

READ BASIC FRAKKING BIOLOGY YOU LOONS!!!!!

 Beaviz81 wrote:
READ BASIC FRAKKING BIOLOGY YOU LOONS!!!!!

I have, by the accounts of most basic biology more then 3/4ths of the things in that entire universe wouldn't exist because they are implausible.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
READ BASIC FRAKKING BIOLOGY YOU LOONS!!!!!

I am a paleontologist's intern by trade. I'm pretty sure that I know my stuff. And I can safely say that 40k is really not the place to try and force conformity to real world scientific laws. Not when metaphysical concepts like hatred can take physical form and disembowel you with a burning sword made from solidified anger.

I metaphysical concepts like hatred can take physical form and disembowel you with a burning sword made from solidified anger.

I wish that would happen.

Yes, and I have a PharmD, which doesn't qualify me on judging space werewolf physiology. I'm not sure what Beavis' qualifications are, but I doubt they lend him that authority either. But who needs the ability to form a cogent thought when you can just yell nonsense in all caps.

That argument are better, though I still think you all must be clinically insane to interpret basic biology in the way. Let me teach you a little.

You can breed an animal to look like something else like the flying squirrels of Australia and America, yet they came apart several million years ago. It took mankind over 100k. years to evolve from monkeys (heck the gorilla is like 2 million years apart from us, try to guess how long the wolf is). And then they for unknown reasons mutated into wolves? Does this make any sense to you? Runs the hatred of the Space Wolves this deep? Now I have given you an excellent scientific reason, as well as a good lecture in basic biology you obviously needed.

You will cease your condescension at this very moment, and your biology lesson sucked, you're a terrible teacher.

I am well-aware of the physical implausibility of humans turning into wolves, just as I am well-aware of the impossibilities of faster than light travel, or the law of conservation of matter and energy.

All are defied in 40k, a fictional setting. This is a setting where there are giant fungus monkeys who can survive their brain being melted (As seen from the Ork that fought the Dark Angels Chief-Librarian), yet the notion of humans being forcibly mutated into quadrupeds with fur and fangs is what breaks your willing suspension of disbelief?

40k is not and never has been a setting that considered actual science anything more than loose guidelines at best.

Beaviz, you see that tiny speck way way way high up?

That is the point whipping completely over you.

You can't logically pull out "well it is just basic science" in the 40k setting because if you do, you'll need to handle explaining everything else there. It just doesn't work, and you can't turn it on and off when you feel like it.

FTL might one day happen, I don't speculate about what the future might bring.

My lesson is important to take heed of as you don't have the time to do it in 40.000 years only. Heck even the Eldar and Dark Eldar are still basically the same. Humans haven't mutated into anything more animal-like than the Ogryns and Ratlings. That's even a stretch for me to believe in.

I don't see basic rules of physics having changed, which means it's completely impossible for humans to morph into wolves and none of the official art show it.

 Beaviz81 wrote:


I don't see basic rules of physics having changed.

Psykers
Astronamicon
Ork technology
Space Marines surviving in a vaccuum
Statis stuff
Warp travel (not FTL, the Warp itself)
The Webway
Demons

Shall I go on?

Gravity?