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...yes?

It's still there in the normal form, so ipso facto, the mutations you are wishing for couldn't happen. And for all the fantastic things happening men changing into animals doesn't happen because this is lego-genetics, where you disregard time and space.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
It's still there in the normal form, so ipso facto, the mutations you are wishing for couldn't happen. And for all the fantastic things happening men changing into animals doesn't happen because this is lego-genetics, where you disregard time and space.

And I see you are choosing to stubbornly ignore anything that is really undermining your point, huh?

Just gonna go with that?

Okay, how about something a little more suited for the immediate point:

Chaos Spawn.

And Chaos Spawn are known for their breeding and for being stable? And for being a species instead of a mesh of mortal and demonic matter? Are you suggesting the wolves on Fenris is that?

As for the point. Come with something I can accept not something that seems like you are substituting reality for your own and thrown the book about biology out the window. The basic fabric of the things remains and I prefer a logical interpretation if in doubt. Instead of the more fantastic ones like the IOM being stupid evil and sending ships into space with finite food-stores and such.


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 Kain wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
READ BASIC FRAKKING BIOLOGY YOU LOONS!!!!!

I am a paleontologist's intern by trade. I'm pretty sure that I know my stuff. And I can safely say that 40k is really not the place to try and force conformity to real world scientific laws. Not when metaphysical concepts like hatred can take physical form and disembowel you with a burning sword made from solidified anger.

And that sword is born and a stable species who can breed with other swords?

Sorry kid, but I already proved the claims in this thread.

That you choose to ignore it is irrelevant to my victory.


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 Beaviz81 wrote:
FTL might one day happen, I don't speculate about what the future might bring.

Indeed, who knows what the future may hold?

Why, we might even find a way to mutate human beings into wolves one day!

This is hilarious.

Changing species can't happen VD, it have been tried, it led to death.

I don't have a problem with Space Wolves, I have a problem with their fans. I like SW fluff, but 9 out of 10 SW fans I have ever met in person seem more interested in them because they drink and brawl a lot. So to take SW fans' word for it, the Space Wolves are the obnoxious frat boys of 40k.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Changing species can't happen VD, it have been tried, it led to death.

You mean in a setting where one kind of spore can make grots, orks, squiggoths, and mushrooms all from the same DNA code?

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Changing species can't happen VD, it have been tried, it led to death.

Space Marines are considered a different species by many Biologis in the Imperium. Chapters of Space Marines have been purged for rampant mutation. The Wolves fluff has always had the Canis Helix overcome some aspirants, and the wulfen transformation has been around almost as long. There are mentions of these mutations in every recent BL novel.

Seriously, are you really this dense, or are you just trolling? If the former, you are very aptly named; if the latter, you're doing a masterful job.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Changing species can't happen VD, it have been tried, it led to death.

Pft, maybe not now, but in the future? Come on, you said it yourself, we should not speculate on what the future might bring.

Hopefully we won't change into wolves, I dislike the thought of sniffing people in their groin in order to see if they are friendly or not.

Watching the Game of Thrones recording from tonight, it occurs to me that the Space Wolves are very much like the Starks, letting their sense of honor and nobility dictate courses of action that even a child can see are foolish. The main difference is, the Starks paid for their naïveté with their lives; with the Space Wolves, it's the Imperium that bears the burden.

Agreed, the Space Wolves are much like the Starks, they could actually be a planet of Starks. Yet I haven't seen the Starks turning into wolves. I would have watched Game of Thrones more hadn't it been for the 2/3 of every episode that is nausea-fuel.

Hahahahahahaha.

I think the original post answered his own question.. To paraphrase.. Why do we hate SW? Because their followers are biased frat/fanboyz.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Hahahahahahaha.

Spoiler:

The Starks are werewolves.

Yes, and Robb Stark does indeed change his species... from the neck up.

I think the three of us have thoroughly mauled beavis by now.

I don't hate 'em, but I don't like 'em.

I'd very much like to use their codex, as it does nearly everything C:SM does, simply better.

Ultimately, though, I just find their "werewolf space Vikings who ride wolves into battle while drunk and talk like dwarves" schtick to be far too overdone even by 40K standards.

 Kain wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Changing species can't happen VD, it have been tried, it led to death.

You mean in a setting where one kind of spore can make grots, orks, squiggoths, and mushrooms all from the same DNA code?

Well this could be due to

1) Ecophenotypic variation

2) Differential expression of genes

3) Combination of the two

It is by far, not the stupidest xenobiology, but then again since there is no canon you could go by the 2nd edition fluff which is different in regard to Orks

That's fanfiction. I prefer science-facts and avoid needless fiction if it can be avoided.

Then why are you even here? Seriously...

Black Library and codices are fan fiction now?

Give me the proof then. It seems ridiculous.

That is with links and everything, Lynata-style.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Give me the proof then. It seems ridiculous.

Given you proof, you ignore it.


Regardless, anyone else have any thoughts on the space wolves things, because this one's got nothing.

I think we're pretty much done here. And I disagree, he contributed quite a bit by providing the perfect example of a painfully obtuse, deranged Space Wolf fanatic.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
That's fanfiction. I prefer science-facts and avoid needless fiction if it can be avoided.

You seem to be under the impression that you can hold 40k to real world physics all the time when you have guys going around shrinking entire armies to fit in his cabinet.

You are the fanatic Omegus. And your so-called proof was poor and speculative at best. You gave me fanfiction and interpretation.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Give me the proof then. It seems ridiculous.

That is with links and everything, Lynata-style.

Yeah no, sorry, but I went through the trouble of scrounging through my ebook copy of Prospero Burns for this one specific quote which says exactly what I have been claiming.

You're being disrespectful by casually tossing aside the proof offered, simply because you don't like it. And that's fine, not liking it I mean. But to sit there and disregard the effort one puts into providing the proof that you asked for is the greatest dishonor; that you had to go on rants concerning "SCIENCE!1111!!!!11!" while insulting the intelligence of those vastly more well-informed than you only further compounds that.

So no, I gave you the quote, the book, the chapter, and its approximate location in said chapter. Find it yourself.

I don't question your intelligence, I question your sanity. I have called you insane, not stupid. Even though I find it puzzling how enlightened human beings turn the back on science, and I'm reading the fifth edition Space Wolves codex as we speak. Still haven't found the magic phrase that says Space Wolves turns into wolves for no good reason whatsoever.

I accept your concession.