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 Void__Dragon wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:
Nope....Biggest fanbase, I play them for about 20 years, even this thread is actually in favor of SW.....

Argumentum ad populum?

LOL - nice one, but no :-)
I could say that to wolf riding a wolf theory....o and Magnus the BR primarch...

Well, you could, but it would be a frankly bizarre non-sequitur if you did.

Also, that video... When I read Prospero Burns, and read about how the Space Wolves "would do things other Legions would find unthinkable, incapable of doing due to their honor", I couldn't help but think... Has this guy ever read of the World Eaters or the Night Lords? And that video continues to make me think Abnett has some mental block concerning those two Legions, "HOW COULD THE EMPEROR LET SUCH A SAVAGE LEGION ROAM FREE?" Well, probably because he is already letting the infinitely more brutal World Eaters and Night Lords roam around.

The Space Wolves are like that fat kid you knew in elementary school who brought in the biggest and best lunch, but still wanted to dip his grubby fingers in your lunch when you were not looking. I have often struggled to think of what the specialty of the Space Wolves actually is, because they seem to excel at everything. "Oh they are peerless close combat warriors also because they use their veterans as scouts they do some of the best recon work oh and they are the most brutal legion", lol.

ADB did a pretty good job of showing why the Wolves have taken the mantle of executioners, but Abnett's original idea seems to be just that they are Marines, but better.

WE and NL were wild but they were a bit mental (read : mark of calth, betrayer and add stupid), SW are on top of that cunning like hell - which makes them a bit more above average animals....

i guess every author has their intepreatiton....

At the end of the day, we have discussed about it and even made a couple of laughs on this, but if user X have his opinion on the SW it doesn't matter how many proves you put in his face, he will hate the Wolves nonetheless.
The opposite is the same (terrible line, I know), if someone is a SW fanboy he will eternally close his eyes in front of proves of some negavite aspect of the SW.

Basically, who cares? There will be haters, there will be fans. This thread became a parody of itself.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

This thread became a parody of itself.

Welcome to dakka, son.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:
At the end of the day, we have discussed about it and even made a couple of laughs on this, but if user X have his opinion on the SW it doesn't matter how many proves you put in his face, he will hate the Wolves nonetheless.
The opposite is the same (terrible line, I know), if someone is a SW fanboy he will eternally close his eyes in front of proves of some negavite aspect of the SW.

Basically, who cares? There will be haters, there will be fans. This thread became a parody of itself.

Yes..But I'll take fanboy. over hater any day of the week.....

I hate the BA - but I don't read their books and I don't bash them in every post...I wish people would do the same....

This why I like guys like @thenoobbomb - he doesn't like them, but he is always polite when commenting and willing to take an argument....I wish there are more people on dakka like him...

Then you should have avoided this thread, since the OP asked for why they are hated, not for some white knight to come defend their honor.

And yes, I think argumentum at populum is exactly what is at play. Considering how much of the player base are adolescent boys, I guess we shouldn't be surprised. They enjoy the SW fluff because it's the kind of stuff they would write themselves.

KnowItAll wrote:
Then you should have avoided this thread, since the OP asked for why they are hated, not for some white knight to come defend their honor.

Uh... dude... did you have a bad day? Soooooo much bashing for nothing...
you know, a normal being is moved often by curiosity, and if I'm a SW fan and I see a Why SW Hate? topic as a SW fan I'd like to see why so many people like to bash 'em.



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 thenoobbomb wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

This thread became a parody of itself.

Welcome to dakka, son.

Touche, sir, touche

 DarthMarko wrote:
Yes..But I'll take fanboy. over hater any day of the week.....

I hate the BA - but I don't read their books and I don't bash them in every post...I wish people would do the same....

This why I like guys like @thenoobbomb - he doesn't like them, but he is always polite when commenting and willing to take an argument....I wish there are more people on dakka like him...

Spot on Marko. Bonus-points to you.

I hate the guys that tells me the Space Wolves are stupid and I should hate them, and goes "WOOOOT?!" when I tells them I like the Space Wolves and I'm willing to defend the chapter. And don't you think Knowitall sent me a PM with the note that I was about as intelligent as a chimp.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
And don't you think Knowitall sent me a PM with the note that I was about as intelligent as a chimp.

How mature... well, his name says it all, doesn't it?

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
And don't you think Knowitall sent me a PM with the note that I was about as intelligent as a chimp.

How mature... well, his name says it all, doesn't it?

Yeah it does, plus he seem to blindly go for this http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KnowNothingKnowItAll

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
And don't you think Knowitall sent me a PM with the note that I was about as intelligent as a chimp.

How mature... well, his name says it all, doesn't it?

Yeah it does, plus he seem to blindly go for this http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KnowNothingKnowItAll

Agree. I mean, if someone has his opinions it's one thing, but bash something HE doesn't like simply 'cause... well, he doesn't like it, it's a bit too much IMHO.
Oh well.

That's extremely weak for a reason. I mean I don't study the Blood Angels hard, because I find them boring, and I certainly doesn't spam the guys loving Tau going up against their codex with stupid claims about the Tau just because I dislike the Tau.

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KnowItAll wrote:
Aw, two fanboys found love. How tender. I'm glad I was able to bring you two together, so you can breed more silly adolescents that like silly adolescent things.

Oh yes, I'm totally in love with the fact that some haters brought us togheter. And I'm love with the fact that, while I'm a 17 years old I'm still more mature than you.
It's better be a mature teenager or an immature adult?

EDIT: have you ever thought that, while there are teenagers who love the SWs, the major part of the WH40k fanbase is made of 20+ years old guys who simply MAY like the whole Vikings who don't give a damn about anyone in SPACE?

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 Beaviz81 wrote:

KnowItAll wrote:
Aw, two fanboys found love. How tender. I'm glad I was able to bring you two together, so you can breed more silly adolescents that like silly adolescent things.

How old are you? I'm guessing thirteen and where other boys your age were discovering their balls, you are exploring how to be a keyboard-warrior.

Don't lower yourself to his level, if you do so he'll beat you with his experience.

Aw, and now you're quoting me too. How precious. Don't hurt yourselves in your circle jerk now.

Anyway, thanks to whoever posted the link to those Wolf and Sister comics. The broken English and terrible story-line aside, the art is pretty badass.

KnowItAll wrote:
Aw, and now you're quoting me too. How precious. Don't hurt yourselves in your circle jerk now.

Calm with the tone, dude. Yeah, I'm quoting you too since you are oh so smart and better than me.

Have you tried to read any other codex? They are all equally bad. I generally take the codexes as how they see themselves (the guys written about in the codex in question). I mean the Space Wolves codex ain't a good read by any means, but that's where the fluff comes from.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Have you tried to read any other codex? They are all equally bad. I generally take the codexes as how they see themselves (the guys written about in the codex in question). I mean the Space Wolves codex ain't a good read by any means, but that's where the fluff comes from.

QfT
Wolf word abuse, wolf word abuse everywhere.

Space Wolf fluff has always been the most egregious. The only thing that comes close is Kaldor Draigo.

And their BL novels are even worse. There is William King, where they are fartin' fightin' drinkin' frat boys, BftF where they remind me of that Chris Rock stand-up about gangsta's who love to keep it real...real dumb, and the HH novels where they are judgemental and arrogant douche-nozzles.

KnowItAll wrote:
Space Wolf fluff has always been the most egregious. The only thing that comes close is Kaldor Draigo.

And their BL novels are even worse. There is William King, where they are fartin' fightin' drinkin' frat boys, BftF where they remind me of that Chris Rock stand-up about gangsta's who love to keep it real...real dumb, and the HH novels where they are judgemental and arrogant douche-nozzles.

I bet you say this only 'cause the novels are 'bout SW. Like many people do, so no problem.
Anyone have opinions, yours are simply moved by blind hatred since you're saying that Dan Abnett (who, by the 90% of the 40k community is described like the God of the BL novels) is a bad writer. But surely enough you're right and we're wrong, so please go on and make me laugh some more at your assumptions.

ClassicCarraway wrote:I used to loath Space Wolves until I read Prospero Burns, and gained a bit of respect and appreciation for them. Still doesn't change the fact that I'm not very fond of them.

Part of this stems from the fact that they have been the most OP Marine chapter (not counting GK) since the 2nd edition block of cheddar known as a codex was released. This is made worse by the fact that SW armies always consist of multiple rune priests (sometimes 3-4) for an army that allegedly hates and fears psykers. Oh, and three Longfang squads is pretty standard too, for an army that prefers to make things up close and personal. But that's more about the game play.

As far as the fluff goes, most of their BL stories are mere bolter porn with little to no real character depth. A Thousand Sons really made them out to be total hypocrits, but Prospero Burns softened that perception just a bit. Of course, most of the Horus Heresy novels have taken an almost sympathetic approach to the traitor legions, so its no big surprise the loyalist often come out looking bad.

Actually in 3rd, Blood Angels were recorded in Chapter Approved as having the highest number of wins in tournament play.

Void__Dragon wrote:Point out where it says Wulfen can not be quadrupeds.

Take a gander at Codex Eye of Terror for what GW think Wulfen are to show you how they are not quadrupeds. Of course we also have the beasts encountered deep in the Aett when the dreadnoughts are awoken in Battle of the Fang, which is much more telling as to what happens to failed aspirants that are not disposed of by the Rout. They are surely not Thunderwolves by any stretch, but bipedal wulfen monsters.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

KnowItAll wrote:
Space Wolf fluff has always been the most egregious. The only thing that comes close is Kaldor Draigo.

And their BL novels are even worse. There is William King, where they are fartin' fightin' drinkin' frat boys, BftF where they remind me of that Chris Rock stand-up about gangsta's who love to keep it real...real dumb, and the HH novels where they are judgemental and arrogant douche-nozzles.

I bet you say this only 'cause the novels are 'bout SW. Like many people do, so no problem.
Anyone have opinions, yours are simply moved by blind hatred since you're saying that Dan Abnett (who, by the 90% of the 40k community is described like the God of the BL novels) is a bad writer. But surely enough you're right and we're wrong, so please go on and make me laugh some more at your assumptions.

Hahaha gold-star to PunkNeverDie.

The only thing I have seen Abnett do sort of wrong was Bequin being a prostitute and a a blank, and the quote VD has been so happy in posting here. For the rest he is God.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

KnowItAll wrote:
Space Wolf fluff has always been the most egregious. The only thing that comes close is Kaldor Draigo.

And their BL novels are even worse. There is William King, where they are fartin' fightin' drinkin' frat boys, BftF where they remind me of that Chris Rock stand-up about gangsta's who love to keep it real...real dumb, and the HH novels where they are judgemental and arrogant douche-nozzles.

I bet you say this only 'cause the novels are 'bout SW. Like many people do, so no problem.
Anyone have opinions, yours are simply moved by blind hatred since you're saying that Dan Abnett (who, by the 90% of the 40k community is described like the God of the BL novels) is a bad writer. But surely enough you're right and we're wrong, so please go on and make me laugh some more at your assumptions.

Well, for what it's worth, the BA novels were pretty bad too, but they weren't juvenile, just really boring.

As for Dan Abnett, I didn't say he was a bad writer, he writes pretty good generic sci-fi, it's his Space Marines that are ridiculous. And anyway, saying someone is the "best BL author" is like saying he is the smartest kid with Down's syndrome.

KnowItAll wrote:

Well, for what it's worth, the BA novels were pretty bad too, but they weren't juvenile, just really boring.

As for Dan Abnett, I didn't say he was a bad writer, he writes pretty good generic sci-fi, it's his Space Marines that are ridiculous. And anyway, saying someone is the "best BL author" is like saying he is the smartest kid with Down's syndrome.

As you wish, what makes you sleep at night

 Void__Dragon wrote:


The Space Wolves are like that fat kid you knew in elementary school who brought in the biggest and best lunch, but still wanted to dip his grubby fingers in your lunch when you were not looking.

I feel like, in stereotypical high school terms, that Russ is the jock and a bully. Whilst Horus is the jock that everyone gets along with, and Sanguinius is the nicer-hearted, less-in-your-face kid that everyone gets along with. Whereas Corax seems like the guy you/no-one speaks to, but is in reality a really nice, great guy.
I was thinking about it the other day, and that's how I pictured the Primarch's in the comparisons people often make.

Agreed Just Dave. You tend to make good points.

Magnus is the guy the schoolyard-bully is picking on, the Khan is the not verbal sidekick of the the bully. Dorn is the teacher's pet, while Perturbo is the wanna-be teacher's pet. Mortarion is the kid with disabilities, the Salamander Primarch is the token black kid, Robute Guilliman is another version of the teacher's pet, Alpharius and Kurze are the emo-guys wearing black, Angron is also a schoolyard bully, Fulgrim is the casanova every girl likes and the list goes on.

And Empy is the sort of gullible teacher that plays favorites.

I hate this college comparisons...They are freaking primarchs, gods of war, emperor's tools....stop fething around with your personal experiences