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Im wondering which chapter would be the worst to have at your side as an ally?

A few days ago I would have said DA for disappearing in the middle of a campaign to chase fallen but im currently reading wrath of iron (not finished it yet) and have now decided it would be the iron hands. Anyone else have any suggestions for bad space marine allies?

The Flesh Tearers have a very real chance of going insane and murdering you during the battle.

The Minotaurs might also murder you, but won't be insane while doing it.

I would vote for the Marines Malevolent though, who most certainly would murder you, from miles away with artillery, while twirling their mustaches.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Flesh Tearers have a very real chance of going insane and murdering you during the battle.

The Minotaurs might also murder you, but won't be insane while doing it.

I would vote for the Marines Malevolent though, who most certainly would murder you, from miles away with artillery, while twirling their mustaches.

Good points, I would add the Space Wolves in as well due to the ancient adage. The best way to get a Space Wolf to do something you want, is to tell him not to do it. They are that bad and high-strung.

Also the Black Templars must be awful to work with. They are basically a bunch of religious fanatics, make one misstep in front of them and you and the rest of your mates are crucified.

Actually, going by Helsreach, the Black Templars are awesome to work with.

That religious doctrine apparently makes them very humble by Marine standards, fething Helbrecht, Grimaldus, and the Emperor's Champion actually thrust their weapons into the dirt and kneeled before the Imperial Guard general on Armageddon, pledging their service to the defense of the planet. Grimaldus, when he temporarily loses his temper amongst the mortals working with him, actually apologizes for doing so, etc.

Point taken VD. I see they still have the Imperial Fists in them. The Imperial Fists must be the best chapter to work with as a mere mortal, as they lack the arrogance of almost any Space Marines, and it was sort of a crowning moment of heartwarming reading about Grimaldus first loosing his temper and then apologizing to mere mortals. That sounds so awesome.

That would be my Marines Malevolent , allies are just statistics waiting to happen, they don't care about the how, only the results matter.

One of the reasons I decided to make a force of them and focus on a purely practical look for them...even "gasp" camo!

Either Marines Malevolent or Dark Angels.

MM because they are just evil. Seriously, they aren't even "I don't like humans" level, they are way beyond that. I'm surprised they aren't Excommunicate Traitoris yet.

Dark Angels: They aren't "evil", are honourable and serve the IoM and the God-Emperor but man, if they hear there's a rumour of a Fallen, "feth this gak guys, you can handle this Ork WAAAAG! all by yourselves. Bye, bye".

The Marines Malevolent are not Excommunicato because they have a exemplary battle record, they may be total D-bags to deal with..but they get results, and that's what the lords of terra truly care about.

Its the other space marine chapters that complain about the MM lack of brotherly conduct with other chapters, I kinda suspect the MM will be something like the minotaurs when/if they ever get fleshed out a bit, a chapter used to do the worst dirty work of the HLOT.

(of course the battle record statement is only based on what very little info is available online about them. )

The Marines Malevolent are merely practicing what the Imperium and the Inquisition have always stated: any means and any cost justifies the end when it ensures the survival of humanity.

It is ironic then the negative feelings both in and out of universe towards them given that they are actually the epitome of what the Imperium is about, more so than the Ultramarines. Remember this is an Imperium that sacrifices worlds, suppresses and rewrites history, enforces rigid social hierarchies with vast inequality in wealth, and sterilizes entire planetary populations. The Marines Malevolent not caring about civilian hostages is just following standard policy.

I'd vote for the Flesh Tearers. Marines Malevolent are extremely ruthless and arrogant, and regard allies as expendable, but even if you got stuck with them as allies they wouldn't turn on you after the battle (they'd probably look on you with total contempt, however). The Flesh Tearers, on the other hand, might kill the enemy then still be so berserk they try to eat you or something.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Actually, going by Helsreach, the Black Templars are awesome to work with.

That religious doctrine apparently makes them very humble by Marine standards, fething Helbrecht, Grimaldus, and the Emperor's Champion actually thrust their weapons into the dirt and kneeled before the Imperial Guard general on Armageddon, pledging their service to the defense of the planet. Grimaldus, when he temporarily loses his temper amongst the mortals working with him, actually apologizes for doing so, etc.

Damn I have really got to read this book.
I imagine, even though they never give up and are very courageous, I imagine the Lamenters would just be so unlucky you couldnt count them as an ally.

Overall I believe it depends on the chapter which is the one asking for allies. Chapters who favour tactic above all will have a hard time working with the likes of the Templars who would rather all die and avenge their fallen then retreat, or the Minotaurs who will have a temporal loss of care for their safety and widly charge into the front lines of the enemy.

Edit: Oh wow, reading about the Marines Malevolent, that must have been some tense moment between a MM and a Salamander.

I Wouldn't voluntarily fight with people named after crying-ladies and who likes to to cry and Lament about anything. I mean their battle-standard is a tear even and their hobbies include crying a lot.

BA and their successors for me. With the red thirst and all, you never know.

TheDiscoSpider stands next to Dante, one second later, TheDiscoSpider is absent and Dante burps.

The worst would be the Pretty Marines. Why? Well they are the Pretty Marines, nuff said

BlackSanguinor wrote:
The worst would be the Pretty Marines. Why? Well they are the Pretty Marines, nuff said

Which ain't canon, and worse boring.

BlackSanguinor wrote:
The worst would be the Pretty Marines. Why? Well they are the Pretty Marines, nuff said

On that note, you might as well add the Angry Marines

No votes for Grey Knights? I'd have to say standing against daemonic incursion, only to then be beaten down by your 'allies' simply for helping them, is pretty bad goings.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

I imagine, even though they never give up and are very courageous, I imagine the Lamenters would just be so unlucky you couldnt count them as an ally.

They'd probably win the battle then accidentally back the Land Raider over the planetary governor during the victory parade.

DA....stop /thread

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Actually, going by Helsreach, the Black Templars are awesome to work with.

That religious doctrine apparently makes them very humble by Marine standards, fething Helbrecht, Grimaldus, and the Emperor's Champion actually thrust their weapons into the dirt and kneeled before the Imperial Guard general on Armageddon, pledging their service to the defense of the planet. Grimaldus, when he temporarily loses his temper amongst the mortals working with him, actually apologizes for doing so, etc.

Damn I have really got to read this book.
I imagine, even though they never give up and are very courageous, I imagine the Lamenters would just be so unlucky you couldnt count them as an ally.

Overall I believe it depends on the chapter which is the one asking for allies. Chapters who favour tactic above all will have a hard time working with the likes of the Templars who would rather all die and avenge their fallen then retreat, or the Minotaurs who will have a temporal loss of care for their safety and widly charge into the front lines of the enemy.

Edit: Oh wow, reading about the Marines Malevolent, that must have been some tense moment between a MM and a Salamander.

Let's just say, a certain Chapter Master went full "Leman Russ" on a MM Captain's ass

All it was , was a standoff and a firm warning from the salamanders CM that "it would not be forgotten", nobody got smacked, wacked or killed, just butthurt.

Depend on who you are, for an extremists inquisitor or militant SM chapter, a chapter like the Salamanders or Ultramarines. Tu'Shan nearly went fething insane during the war for Armageddon when another chapter master bombed an area with civilians to kill some orks.

For most groups though Flesh Tearers or Minotaurs.

I'd say Minotaurs are the worst, although the fleshtearers may be far more violent, Seth at least tries to keep them away from allied forces. Minotaurs don't care at all, it's their way or die.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
All it was , was a standoff and a firm warning from the salamanders CM that "it would not be forgotten", nobody got smacked, wacked or killed, just butthurt.

A firm warning together with the only door to the Captain's Room being closed and the certain Chapter Master cracking his knuckles the best kind of warnings

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
No votes for Grey Knights? I'd have to say standing against daemonic incursion, only to then be beaten down by your 'allies' simply for helping them, is pretty bad goings.

I agree here. The simple fact you know they exist is grounds for dying.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Flesh Tearers have a very real chance of going insane and murdering you during the battle.

The Minotaurs might also murder you, but won't be insane while doing it.

I would vote for the Marines Malevolent though, who most certainly would murder you, from miles away with artillery, while twirling their mustaches.

QfT.
I'd say also Charcardon, but it seems like they can go flying rodent gak insane and still be rational in some degrees.

BTW, Flesh Tearers are the worst.

Ultramarines, your enemy is all around and those idiots are trying to find the chapter pertaining to orks

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
Ultramarines, your enemy is all around and those idiots are trying to find the chapter pertaining to orks

Hahahaha, brilliant two-piece. Exhalted.

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
Ultramarines, your enemy is all around and those idiots are trying to find the chapter pertaining to orks

Someone beat me to it
In (not at) all seriousness, the hippie marines. They are so mellow about things it can get annoying....

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
Ultramarines, your enemy is all around and those idiots are trying to find the chapter pertaining to orks

I was going to say Ultras to pretty much for this reason, they would be criticizing you all the time for not doing it as the Codex says and how THEIR own liege wrote the book and how they are the chief adherers to it and how it has a situation for everything and how inferior of a Chapter yours is and that they would show you how to do it better then POWW ... that shut the smug blue git up, you only realise at the last minute that the Inquisitor assigned to the Ultra's is stood there, mouth agape, pointing his finger at you stuttering EX EX EXO T T TRRR