Are the Necrons dangerous?

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**Grey Knight Dillon**

Mavlun, you are undermining the Chaos and overmining the Necrons. One greater Daemon, annihilated entire sectors of space.

**kinratha**

Sasori wrote:
kinratha wrote:
Sasori wrote:
kinratha wrote:
On the TT my DKoK don't have a problem with them. and Fluff wise I agree with Beaviz81, they are a minor threat compared to Chaos or Nids.

Yeah, a minor threat. That's why they conquered over 60 planets in less than 100 days, wiped out an entire sector, and took on one of the largest imperial fleets ever assembled, with 1/3rd the amount of ships, and absolutely slaughtered them. From one Dynasty.

Minor threat, of course.

Well same could be said for any race, Orks conquer alot same with tyranids and Chaos. It just comes down to what race you like more and what ones you don't.

It wasn't just "Conquer alot" It was the speed, and efficiency in what they conquered, and the fact that their Naval power so far outstrips that of the Imperium, that a fleet Less than 1/3rd the Size of the Imperiums, compleltly stomped them..

And I agree, but Just like and IA fluff (I like IA) any race featured in it has this amazing track record with it.

**Grey Knight Dillon**

Mavlun, defended as in an old man with a heavy stubber you mean.

**RivenSkull**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
I mean Tyranids are the definition of mindless killers, Necrons have some sort of society, but all they think about is "kill the rest of the galaxy." Chaos Daemons have virtually one idea of society, "make our masters proud."

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I am not calling Necrons weak I am just saying that they are not as "mighty" as the Tyranids or Chaos Daemons.

The Nid's who had a massive invasion at Macragge, the Nids were defeated by a much smaller IoM fleet, and a smaller Smurf force, are less of a threat of one dynasty who butchered a fleet over 4 times their size and a Chapter Fortress World.

**Sasori**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
Yeah, a minor threat. That's why they conquered over 60 planets in less than 100 days, wiped out an entire sector, and took on one of the largest imperial fleets ever assembled, with 1/3rd the amount of ships, and absolutely slaughtered them. From one Dynasty. - That is a minor threat. Tyranids ravaged alot more than that. Chaos Daemons ravaged even more.

Cite some sources for your claims please.

Hive Fleet Behemoth, was defeated on a Single Chapters fortress Monestary. The Necrons wiped out an entire space marine chapter, before they could even raise an alarm

Daemons are regularly defeated, and have severe limiations manifesting in the material world. Show me a single example where a daemonic incursion conquered 60 planets, in less than 100 days.

**Grey Knight Dillon**

Yea, all races have something amazing about them. For tyranids they get they ability to be completely mindless killers.

**Mavlun**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
Mavlun, you are undermining the Chaos and overmining the Necrons. One greater Daemon, annihilated entire sectors of space.

Still waiting on those examples

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kinratha wrote:
On the TT my DKoK don't have a problem with them. and Fluff wise I agree with Beaviz81, they are a minor threat compared to Chaos or Nids.

Since their 5th edition Codex, the necrons are the single most powerful faction in TT . If your DKoK army is beating them, there's either a severe gap in player skill, or some incredibly one-sided house rules or something.

**Darth Bob**

Mavlun wrote:
Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
Yeah, a minor threat. That's why they conquered over 60 planets in less than 100 days, wiped out an entire sector, and took on one of the largest imperial fleets ever assembled, with 1/3rd the amount of ships, and absolutely slaughtered them. From one Dynasty. - That is a minor threat. Tyranids ravaged alot more than that. Chaos Daemons ravaged even more.

Examples of Tyranids or Chaos Daemons destroying more than 60 inhabited, defended planets (including stronghold planets) in less than 100 days please.

I'm gonna have to agree. Codex's say that it, on average, takes a Tyranid Hive Fleet 100 days to fully devour a planet. I don't recall the exact timeframe, but it tends to take Daemons a pretty long time to convert a planet to a Daemon world. I don't think there's any precedence (that I know of) of Daemons or Tyranids doing that much damage to Imperial space in the course of 100 days.

**Grey Knight Dillon**

It is not necessarily the speed, but the efficiency. Start a cult that none knows about and then suddenly threaten galaxies with a little cult.

**Mavlun**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
It is not necessarily the speed, but the efficiency. Start a cult that none knows about and then suddenly threaten galaxies with a little cult.

The entire 40k game takes place in one single galaxy, so that bit of hyperbole is kind of out the window right there

**RivenSkull**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
It is not necessarily the speed, but the efficiency. Start a cult that none knows about and then suddenly threaten galaxies with a little cult.

Logic. This post has none.

60 planets in 100 days is pretty fething efficient.

**Grey Knight Dillon**

Thank the Grey Knights for beating the Chaos Daemonns for you. Otherwise, who knows the entire galaxy would be a warp hole.

**RivenSkull**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
Thank the Grey Knights for beating the Chaos Daemonns for you. Otherwise, who knows the entire galaxy would be a warp hole.

You're starting to try and turn this into a dick measuring competition and trying to find anything to grab a hold of to stop this hilarious fall.

**Grey Knight Dillon**

40k UNIVERSE Mavlun.

**Beaviz81**

Grimskul wrote:
Oh sweet lord, not this again. To deny the threat the Necrons have is madness especially with the added context of their abilities in IA12. Their technology is beyond even the Eldar at their peak and ultimately were able to even defeat both the Old Ones and the C'tan. Even if they're not unified the fact that more and more Tomb Worlds are activating and the ones that have already are making expanding and retaking territory at a frightening speed shows the high level of threat they are. If even a voracious foe like the Tyranids are wary of facing them it shows how much of a force they are to be dealt with, not to mention the fact that they are one of the forces that Chaos will have trouble dealing with considering they were the ones that erected highly effective anti-warp technology like the Pylons on Cadia.

Ah we just see things in ways too different to comprehend. That explains why our arguments ain't accepted by eachother. I go for the more earthbound approach, while you are up there going for the high and mighty-approach. That's explains a lot about your stance for me.

**Mavlun**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
Thank the Grey Knights for beating the Chaos Daemonns for you. Otherwise, who knows the entire galaxy would be a warp hole.

Hasn't turned into a Warp Hole in 60 million years so you know...great track record for Chaos right there

**RivenSkull**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
40k UNIVERSE Mavlun.

"Universe" is a term for fictional settings. DC Universe, Marvel Universe, etc.

**Darth Bob**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
40k UNIVERSE Mavlun.

The 40k "universe" as we know it is self-contained within one galaxy.

**Mavlun**

Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
Thank the Grey Knights for beating the Chaos Daemonns for you. Otherwise, who knows the entire galaxy would be a warp hole.

Besides, they wouldn't even WANT that to happen. Without sentient beings, the Warp would revert to the calm before the War in Heaven for all we know, and the Chaos Gods would cease to exist.

**Sasori**

Beaviz81 wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Oh sweet lord, not this again. To deny the threat the Necrons have is madness especially with the added context of their abilities in IA12. Their technology is beyond even the Eldar at their peak and ultimately were able to even defeat both the Old Ones and the C'tan. Even if they're not unified the fact that more and more Tomb Worlds are activating and the ones that have already are making expanding and retaking territory at a frightening speed shows the high level of threat they are. If even a voracious foe like the Tyranids are wary of facing them it shows how much of a force they are to be dealt with, not to mention the fact that they are one of the forces that Chaos will have trouble dealing with considering they were the ones that erected highly effective anti-warp technology like the Pylons on Cadia.

Ah we just see things in ways too different to comprehend. That explains why our arguments ain't accepted by eachother. I go for the more earthbound approach, while you are up there going for the high and mighty-approach. That's explains a lot about your stance for me.

His post was perfectly thought out, and well explained with cited examples.

You, however, post your opinion, and disagree even when presented with cited sources showing you in error.

**kinratha**

Again, it comes down to POV. I still rather have the 3rd E Cons over the 5th E. And watch when A new nids comes out, it will have some overboard fluff to.

**Mavlun**

kinratha wrote:
Again, it comes down to POV. I still rather have the 3rd E Cons over the 5th E. And watch when A new nids comes out, it will have some overboard fluff to.

Quite possibly, and Gork knows it's needed. Since they're so terribad in TT, and 6th ed. has done nothing but nerf them, they really need a boost in fluff as well as rules.

**Beaviz81**

Sasori wrote:
Beaviz81 wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Oh sweet lord, not this again. To deny the threat the Necrons have is madness especially with the added context of their abilities in IA12. Their technology is beyond even the Eldar at their peak and ultimately were able to even defeat both the Old Ones and the C'tan. Even if they're not unified the fact that more and more Tomb Worlds are activating and the ones that have already are making expanding and retaking territory at a frightening speed shows the high level of threat they are. If even a voracious foe like the Tyranids are wary of facing them it shows how much of a force they are to be dealt with, not to mention the fact that they are one of the forces that Chaos will have trouble dealing with considering they were the ones that erected highly effective anti-warp technology like the Pylons on Cadia.

Ah we just see things in ways too different to comprehend. That explains why our arguments ain't accepted by eachother. I go for the more earthbound approach, while you are up there going for the high and mighty-approach. That's explains a lot about your stance for me.

His post was perfectly thought out, and well explained with cited examples.

You, however, post your opinion, and disagree even when presented with cited sources showing you in error.

Yeah that's the past, how about the present?

**Sasori**

Beaviz81 wrote:
Sasori wrote:
Beaviz81 wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Oh sweet lord, not this again. To deny the threat the Necrons have is madness especially with the added context of their abilities in IA12. Their technology is beyond even the Eldar at their peak and ultimately were able to even defeat both the Old Ones and the C'tan. Even if they're not unified the fact that more and more Tomb Worlds are activating and the ones that have already are making expanding and retaking territory at a frightening speed shows the high level of threat they are. If even a voracious foe like the Tyranids are wary of facing them it shows how much of a force they are to be dealt with, not to mention the fact that they are one of the forces that Chaos will have trouble dealing with considering they were the ones that erected highly effective anti-warp technology like the Pylons on Cadia.

Ah we just see things in ways too different to comprehend. That explains why our arguments ain't accepted by eachother. I go for the more earthbound approach, while you are up there going for the high and mighty-approach. That's explains a lot about your stance for me.

His post was perfectly thought out, and well explained with cited examples.

You, however, post your opinion, and disagree even when presented with cited sources showing you in error.

Yeah that's the past, how about the present?

He has both the past, and the present presented in his post. I've also discussed the present in my example of the 60 worlds conquered, which no one has been able to show a similar feat, by these "More Dangerous" factions.

**Beaviz81**

Ehm 60 worlds conquered is a footnote (seriously). And individually few except a Space Marine can take out a Necron. I will give you that. I don't what this fanaticism is coming from. I'm a fairly laid-back dude and suddenly I'm assaulted on all fronts by lovers of the Crons who for uncertain reasons wanna over-power them.

**Sasori**

Beaviz81 wrote:
Ehm 60 worlds conquered is a footnote (seriously). And individually few except a Space Marine can take out a Necron. I will give you that. I don't what this fanaticism is coming from. I'm a fairly laid-back dude and suddenly I'm assaulted on all fronts by lovers of the Crons who for uncertain reasons wanna over-power them.

You keep changing it. Let me spell it out for you. Show me a faction that has conqured 60 fortified worlds, including a a fortress world of a Space Marine chapter, in less than 100 days. That is NOT a footnote.

You're not listing to reason to facts, and have not backed up any of your claims at all. We are simply asking for you to back up your claims, which you have not. We are not overpowering the, we have sources for everything we have posted, it's all been fact.

**Beaviz81**

Hm that argument was oddly compelling. At least that was presented to me in a way I bother to listen to. Please at least give me an easy search-pattern at Google to back it up.

**Sasori**

Beaviz81 wrote:
Hm that argument was oddly compelling. At least that was presented to me in a way I bother to listen to. Please at least give me an easy search-pattern at Google to back it up.

To back what up? The 60 planets?
Here you go.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/525730.page

**Beaviz81**

I said Google, not your frakking fanfiction. Go to Dakka Fiction for that.

**Sasori**

Beaviz81 wrote:
I said Google, not your frakking fanfiction. Go to Dakka Fiction for that.

Alright, you need to get your attitude under control.

Secondly, it's not fanfiction. It is straight from IA12. Other people that have the book can back it up.

Seriously, you're wondering why you're being "assaulted" it's because of asinine comments like this.