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What does someone have to do/claim in 40k for you to label them TFG? You make Da call

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/That_guy not http://www.tfguild.org/

Please don't use this as a platform to make personal attacks against other users. List the behavior, not the person

"Anybody that spills a 2L on the board then claims that their Imperial Guard Chimeras are the only vehicles that can move without DTT due to their Amphibious rule" is fine

"Anybody that spills a 2L on the board then claims that their Imperial Guard Chimeras are the only vehichles that can move without DTT due to their Amphibious rule, like FoolishMortal did on Friday. FoolishMortal is soooo TFG" is right out

Move my models during a tank shock so that they are out of coherency without me noticing, when I was trying to look up a rule that he was wrong on.

People with double standards.

Example, I roll dice, one of them is on a grain of sand barely noticeable and they call cocked dice. Then when he rolls and its totally on edge says its fine.

Not really a YMDC thread.. so....

 Melchiour wrote:
People with double standards.

Example, I roll dice, one of them is on a grain of sand barely noticeable and they call cocked dice. Then when he rolls and its totally on edge says its fine.

The person I mentioned before, I asked to roll for a psyhic power (blessing probaly prescience!) after moving one unit he said no, I said fair enough. Later on that game he was winning (due to my inexperince) he says he is running his dreadnought, rolls a dice (it was quite high) then says no I am going to shoot with it, proceeds to down a storm raven :(. Then he is shooting with a psycannon dude stood behind a wall, hasnt moved, I asked what he is shooting at as he cannot see anything he proceeds to pick the model up and move it and says he is shooting with the assault profile.

Start of the game we agreed to put a objective in each deployment and one in the middle, half way through the game I notice three objectives in the middle and none in his half.

So to sum up, taking advantage of a in experinced player to win a game = TFG.

Be me and spam AV12+ when you know you are not going to be facing many heavy weapons.

Be me and deploy second and really tight in one corner, away from all heavy weapons and behind a rhino / tank wall.

Be me and when you get the idea a mate is just about to finish painting a flyer rush out and get an ADL.

I don't do the "taking advantage of inexperienced player to win the game" thing; that is just nasty. If anything I do the opposite, oh no maybe I'm not TFG, I'll have to find some other humerously irritating things to do - maybe I'll model a pond with a large island in the middle for deploying a landraider on, just out of 6" range.

I think it's fairly simple. IF they are the kind of player you really don't want to play, chances are they are a TFG.

I'm not talking "I'd rather not play them", because that happens. Someone brings an army that is a very good counter to your own, yeah, you might rather find another opponent more on your level, but if you diddn't have anyone else to play, sure, give it a whirl. But in the case of TFG, you would rather not play at all, than play them

TFG when he wins will gloat all the way and make comments about how noob you are.

TFG when he loses will cry and complain about everything.

Not to mention TFG might cheat or be a rules lawyer, or another behavior to gain advantage over you.

Overall: You just don't want to play against TFG.

People that never have a list ready. They want to know what army your playing and what the mission is and then go make a list. Surprisingly their list just happens to be the perfect list for said mission/ counter to your army.

 wowsmash wrote:
People that never have a list ready. They want to know what army your playing and what the mission is and then go make a list. Surprisingly their list just happens to be the perfect list for said mission/ counter to your army.

That's pretty low.

People who do not bring cold beer to my games!

Someone who claims that the tau bomber doesn't start the game with a bomb because the bomb isn't listed in the wargear. Meaning that the bomber can't (as per RAW they claim) ever have a bomb.

 Dogface 76 wrote:
People who do not bring cold beer to my games!

I didn't know such people existed!

People who display solipsistic tendencies. If you don't consider what your words or actions are doing to the people affected by them.

Most things about 40k, whether it's playing a game, or sharing pictures of your minis, or talking on a web forum, if other people aren't benefiting from what you're doing in a social setting, then odds are strong you're exhibiting TFG behavior to one degree of egregiousness or another.

If what you're doing only helps you, then why are you bothering to do it in a social setting?

If they beat me, then clearly their list was too WAAC, and therefore, they're a TFG!

To the OP, there are many ways to be TFG. Simply put: TFG=Jerk, asshat, or other pejorative.


Edit: Also, ilk.

 wowsmash wrote:
People that never have a list ready. They want to know what army your playing and what the mission is and then go make a list. Surprisingly their list just happens to be the perfect list for said mission/ counter to your army.

I have had this a few times, to the point where I ask what they are playing before getting my list or models out. It is statisfying when you still beat them though.


I played a person last Wednesday, he said he hasnt lost a game in ages and was suprised when I won, played him again last night, exactly the same list for me and he was running a different list, to put it in perspective I run 4 FMC's, 3 DP's and a LoC with weak troops, he was now running 5 nightscythes, 3 doom scythes and a few warriors and a squad of deathmarks. Pretty much a perfect counter to my list, enough skyfire to ground my FMC's, doom scythes to instant kill my daemon princes.

I got first blood from assaulting one of his 5 man warrior squads which left me on the ground next turn all 3 doom scythes line up on them, I then proceed to pass all 6 invuls (2 on each) str 10 shots, that was nice!.

One of the worst local TFG's in my area:

- When the Durp Knights first came out, he shelved his Leafblower IG and went nuts buying up Grey Knights because of course they were the WAAC'ers best friend in 5th.
He sets up a game with a Daemon player who's only 12 years old, and of course doesn't have a competitive army in the slightest. (you know Little Timmy, only buys what he thinks looks absolutely boss and doesn't care if the unit/s really suck, but is still super excited every time they get to field their fully painted models...)
Anyways, TFG then pulls out a entire Quake-spam list, and proceeds first turn to Quake-shunt all over the place and cover all but about 6"x8" of the back corner in Quake bubbles.
Poor Little Timmy then gets to watch as his forced Deep Strike deployment can't avoid the quake areas, then has to put up with TFG 'juggling' his Daemons between quake zones to ensure either 'unit wiped-out' or 'back into reserves' results.

Left the poor kid on the verge of tears at how he just wasted his army within 15 minutes and then claimed Little Timmy should go buy a real army and L2P next time...

- Once the White Dwarf update came out, TFG proceeded to constantly deride all the Daemons players, insisting we were all nothing but power-gaming donkeycaves for playing the most broken army GW has ever released.
Whenever he came up against the new Flamers/Screamers, he'd whine and b***** the whole time about how broken they were, even if you only used small units, or just a single 9-strong squad.
This led to more shinanigans of him abusing Warp Quake by fully spacing his units to maximum coherency in order to really stretch out the area of effect.
Now, myself and the other couple of Daemon players would routinely avoid playing this d-bag because of how he'd tailor his Durp Knights against your Daemons. This would lead to him gloating about how crap we all were at the game "because we couldn't hack-it with the big boys unless we played all our broken units"



Oddly enough, this guy is very hesitant to play his GK's vs the new Daemon book...

His main claims are that, the new book is broken/OP due to the Warpstorm table being able to turn all his dudes into Heralds and give us 'free' units, while also buffing our invulns. (apparently all at the same time...)
And that setting up a game will take far too long because we have to roll for so many things.

Personally, the Daemon players have come to the conclusion that he's just pouting because he can't be garenteed an auto-win through Durp-Quake anymore and is afraid he'll lose big time since Daemons can now pretty handily out assault GK's.

Why even play him, though?

 kronk wrote:
Why even play him, though?

Well, myself and the other few Daemon players would only play him if we got match-up during a tournament game.

Now though, I really want to play him since he can't cheat his way around the Mat Ward(TM) 'Easy Button' system!
But TFG won't man-up now that he can't abuse the game to the same degree anymore...

Sounds like a clown. Ugh...

MarkyMark wrote:

 wowsmash wrote:
People that never have a list ready. They want to know what army your playing and what the mission is and then go make a list. Surprisingly their list just happens to be the perfect list for said mission/ counter to your army.

I have had this a few times, to the point where I ask what they are playing before getting my list or models out. It is statisfying when you still beat them though.


I played a person last Wednesday, he said he hasnt lost a game in ages and was suprised when I won, played him again last night, exactly the same list for me and he was running a different list, to put it in perspective I run 4 FMC's, 3 DP's and a LoC with weak troops, he was now running 5 nightscythes, 3 doom scythes and a few warriors and a squad of deathmarks. Pretty much a perfect counter to my list, enough skyfire to ground my FMC's, doom scythes to instant kill my daemon princes.

I got first blood from assaulting one of his 5 man warrior squads which left me on the ground next turn all 3 doom scythes line up on them, I then proceed to pass all 6 invuls (2 on each) str 10 shots, that was nice!.

He can't get that many str 10 hits, doesn't the beam from the doom scythe loose strength for every unit it passes through?

This on TFG has become legendary among us. He would say he would table you by turn two and threaten to break your arm if you touched his models. This all coming from a guy who Waddles like a penguin when he walks.
HE has only appeared ONCE, but he has become a legend to scare the little newbies late at night to act right, unless they become penquin man.

People who cheat when playing new players.

People who make you feel bad for winning.

Not necessarily a rules thing but more of an attitude problem. One of the guys in the club is ridiculously sarcastic about everything. I just ask a quick rule query about Piling In, he gives me the condescending look with "Duh, of course you can". Anything in the rules or even in general he act like "You should have known this, get out of the building."

Experiment 626 wrote:
One of the worst local TFG's in my area:

- When the Durp Knights first came out, he shelved his Leafblower IG and went nuts buying up Grey Knights because of course they were the WAAC'ers best friend in 5th.
He sets up a game with a Daemon player who's only 12 years old, and of course doesn't have a competitive army in the slightest. (you know Little Timmy, only buys what he thinks looks absolutely boss and doesn't care if the unit/s really suck, but is still super excited every time they get to field their fully painted models...)
Anyways, TFG then pulls out a entire Quake-spam list, and proceeds first turn to Quake-shunt all over the place and cover all but about 6"x8" of the back corner in Quake bubbles.
Poor Little Timmy then gets to watch as his forced Deep Strike deployment can't avoid the quake areas, then has to put up with TFG 'juggling' his Daemons between quake zones to ensure either 'unit wiped-out' or 'back into reserves' results.

Left the poor kid on the verge of tears at how he just wasted his army within 15 minutes and then claimed Little Timmy should go buy a real army and L2P next time...

- Once the White Dwarf update came out, TFG proceeded to constantly deride all the Daemons players, insisting we were all nothing but power-gaming donkeycaves for playing the most broken army GW has ever released.
Whenever he came up against the new Flamers/Screamers, he'd whine and b***** the whole time about how broken they were, even if you only used small units, or just a single 9-strong squad.
This led to more shinanigans of him abusing Warp Quake by fully spacing his units to maximum coherency in order to really stretch out the area of effect.
Now, myself and the other couple of Daemon players would routinely avoid playing this d-bag because of how he'd tailor his Durp Knights against your Daemons. This would lead to him gloating about how crap we all were at the game "because we couldn't hack-it with the big boys unless we played all our broken units"



Oddly enough, this guy is very hesitant to play his GK's vs the new Daemon book...

His main claims are that, the new book is broken/OP due to the Warpstorm table being able to turn all his dudes into Heralds and give us 'free' units, while also buffing our invulns. (apparently all at the same time...)
And that setting up a game will take far too long because we have to roll for so many things.

Personally, the Daemon players have come to the conclusion that he's just pouting because he can't be garenteed an auto-win through Durp-Quake anymore and is afraid he'll lose big time since Daemons can now pretty handily out assault GK's.

I played a guy who tried the first scenario on my tzeentch daemons back pre white dwarf update. He took two of the squads who can shunt, two strike squads in rhinos, and two regular strike squads. He got first turn, and had 5 separate warp bubbles up when it came time to drop my daemons (failed one psychic test). Mind you this was in 5th edition obviously, so I couldn't premeasure either. Even though he failed a test, the bubbles all overlapped enough that I still had a very narrow space of only a few inches to deploy.

Due to some lucky deep strike rolls, I landed my first wave (which was just a squad of horrors, two chariots, and fateweaver) all in the same area. The horrors died to a mishap, but everything else landed in a safe spot. Because he had spread his army out all over the board though, I did a ton of damage to that flank in the shooting with all my AP 3 attacks and bolts of tzeentch. On his turn he only killed one chariot, so I got to use the second one to safely land the remainder of my army the next turn and eventually tabled him. It was probably the most satisfying win I can remember.

The worst thing about this, is it was a casual tournament that he had organized, but he had insisted that we know our opponents the week before (the tournament spanned three weekends). He said it wouldn't be a problem if people list tailored cuz everyone could just list tailor to even it out. Overall hes actually a really nice guy when you aren't playing him, but games against him are always really intense.

Experiment 626 wrote:
One of the worst local TFG's in my area:

- When the Durp Knights first came out, he shelved his Leafblower IG and went nuts buying up Grey Knights because of course they were the WAAC'ers best friend in 5th.
He sets up a game with a Daemon player who's only 12 years old, and of course doesn't have a competitive army in the slightest. (you know Little Timmy, only buys what he thinks looks absolutely boss and doesn't care if the unit/s really suck, but is still super excited every time they get to field their fully painted models...)
Anyways, TFG then pulls out a entire Quake-spam list, and proceeds first turn to Quake-shunt all over the place and cover all but about 6"x8" of the back corner in Quake bubbles.
Poor Little Timmy then gets to watch as his forced Deep Strike deployment can't avoid the quake areas, then has to put up with TFG 'juggling' his Daemons between quake zones to ensure either 'unit wiped-out' or 'back into reserves' results.

Left the poor kid on the verge of tears at how he just wasted his army within 15 minutes and then claimed Little Timmy should go buy a real army and L2P next time...

*snip*.

Oh man, that's so low, just reading this is enough, damn

staticchange wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:

 wowsmash wrote:
People that never have a list ready. They want to know what army your playing and what the mission is and then go make a list. Surprisingly their list just happens to be the perfect list for said mission/ counter to your army.

I have had this a few times, to the point where I ask what they are playing before getting my list or models out. It is statisfying when you still beat them though.


I played a person last Wednesday, he said he hasnt lost a game in ages and was suprised when I won, played him again last night, exactly the same list for me and he was running a different list, to put it in perspective I run 4 FMC's, 3 DP's and a LoC with weak troops, he was now running 5 nightscythes, 3 doom scythes and a few warriors and a squad of deathmarks. Pretty much a perfect counter to my list, enough skyfire to ground my FMC's, doom scythes to instant kill my daemon princes.

I got first blood from assaulting one of his 5 man warrior squads which left me on the ground next turn all 3 doom scythes line up on them, I then proceed to pass all 6 invuls (2 on each) str 10 shots, that was nice!.

He can't get that many str 10 hits, doesn't the beam from the doom scythe loose strength for every unit it passes through?

No, that's Beam Psychic Powers, Death Rays just inflict S10 hits on anything.

Consistent unacceptable behavior. It's not so much what they do but the frequency with which they do it, and the lack of any balancing factors. Everyone I know (me included) exhibits TFG behavior to one degree or another. I think the biggest factor behind the TFG label is the consistency of that behavior, and how much it outweighs their good qualities.

Be named Milos or Pavel in the Toronto area...

wowsmash wrote:People that never have a list ready. They want to know what army your playing and what the mission is and then go make a list. Surprisingly their list just happens to be the perfect list for said mission/ counter to your army.

Heh, I had a similar fun moment. Guy asks if I want a game, looks at what I have on the table (3x Monoliths), walks away, writes list, comes back with 3x Basilisks proxied as Medusaes with Bastion Breacher shells.

I was silly happy when I got to go first and blew 2 away 1st turn. Unsurprisingly he whine-quit after turn 3. Said he didn't like playing against my half unpainted army