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Exactly. I was hoping someone would be able to tell me how the numbers were adding up enough for it to be considered a profit?
I wasn't even doing the real math when I was thinking about it, just figuring off the top of my head I thought it wouldn't add up as being profitable.

Nobody could tell me yet how much Resin Forge charged for the Fulgrim model.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Exactly. I was hoping someone would be able to tell me how the numbers were adding up enough for it to be considered a profit?
I wasn't even doing the real math when I was thinking about it, just figuring off the top of my head I thought it wouldn't add up as being profitable.

Nobody could tell me yet how much Resin Forge charged for the Fulgrim model.

Its been made clear. If someone doesn't know how much Fulgrim is then call centre phone in hours it's open. After the fear over this weeks drama, then they will of course get what they ordered. What is confusing about any of that?

I might be missing something here, but I can't see a Fulgrim model on Forge World's website. Can someone provide a link? Thanks.

Its been made clear. If someone doesn't know how much Fulgrim is then call centre phone in hours it's open. After the fear over this weeks drama, then they will of course get what they ordered. What is confusing about any of that?

No thanks I have no wish to be at the receiving end of night and day telephone terror after they log my number

I might be missing something here, but I can't see a Fulgrim model on Forge World's website. Can someone provide a link? Thanks.

It's not there because the first ever possibility to buy it will be the Horus Heresy Weekender.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Its been made clear. If someone doesn't know how much Fulgrim is then call centre phone in hours it's open. After the fear over this weeks drama, then they will of course get what they ordered. What is confusing about any of that?

No thanks I have no wish to be at the receiving end of night and day telephone terror after they log my number

Can't say I blame you. I was just practicing my Mandlespeak, that was basically copy pasted from the resin forge facebook page, all I added was the call centre and the fulgrim figure.

Can't say I blame you. I was just practicing my Mandlespeak, that was basically copy pasted from the resin forge facebook page, all I added was the call centre and the fulgrim figure.

I see. I'll take your name off the list with suspect accounts again then

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

Can't say I blame you. I was just practicing my Mandlespeak, that was basically copy pasted from the resin forge facebook page, all I added was the call centre and the fulgrim figure.

I see. I'll take your name off the list with suspect accounts again then

Or maybe I'm the most elaborately set up mole account ever. Only time will tell. But we are straying from the point here

I don't know how much they're charging for Fulgrim, I got an email forwarded from a friend inquiring about the Lodge Priest, and Resin Forge said they were selling him for 20 bucks US

I don't know how much they're charging for Fulgrim, I got an email forwarded from a friend inquiring about the Lodge Priest, and Resin Forge said they were selling him for 20 bucks US

That would be 13 GBP. Anybody know how much it will cost at the HH Weekender then?

EDIT: apparently similar models on previous event were sold at ~12GBP. Doesn't sound like a big saving then, why do that?

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Savagecoyote wrote:

 darkshard wrote:
Someone posted this regarding FW stuff on Lex's FB page, It makes me wonder exactly how many staff RF are sending, cos if they are based out of texas, unless they are charging way above GW sales prices then profit will be, well it'll be non-existent.

"I'd just like to point out that Forge World stated when I rang them last week that only one model will be sold to one person. So you can't buy one for anyone else.

You can put in an order for the new stuff there and then but will need to pay for delivery."

so costs of 2 tickets from US did i see some one say $600 each + to and from airport to Nottingham that,s about £80 each hotel's in Nottingham lets say a grotty B&B about another £80 tickets to the event ,taxis etc etc etc and don't forget buying the figures at retail price (£50 per Fulgrim alone ) how is this actually been swallowed as plausible by the people on his FB page ?

Exactly. I was hoping someone would be able to tell me how the numbers were adding up enough for it to be considered a profit?
I wasn't even doing the real math when I was thinking about it, just figuring off the top of my head I thought it wouldn't add up as being profitable.

They're not that concerned with profits, just making sure their customers are happy.

They're not that concerned with profits, just making sure their customers are happy.

Even it it means that they have to ruin themselves while doing it

I think you confused "Aerethan" with "Alpharius".

And yes, I contacted "Resin Forge" specifically because of that statement. Daniel Mandelbaum owes me a significant amount of money, "Resin Forge" said that if Daniel Mandelbaum owes anyone anything, please contact them, I've done so, and have received no resolution at all.

Long story short - I am now currently engaged in what looks to be the "run around" phase with "Resin Forge".

Apologies to both you and Aerethan - it does indeed appear that I have conflated two separate accounts - my mistake.

If you read back through my line of questioning, I remained polite and professional throughout the dialogues with Daniel / Jason. at no point did I become abusive or profane, and at no point did I threaten anyone, nor appear to be 'stalkery'. All I have done is to attempt to gain some clear answers from Daniel / Jason on each of the points.
My questioning on the HH Weekender were to ascertain whether those customers of RF who had placed orders in good faith would indeed get them - nothing more.

Since I published the above dialogue, Jason / Daniel have now accused me of being 'biased';

13:41
Resin Forge Store
All future communication from you needs to go to the customer service line. I'm sorry if you don't like that reply but there are no more answers for you as you are biased and one sided. Please do not message us here again.

13:41
Art Darryl Steventon
Ok Daniel. See you at the HH weekender, or not.

13:52
Resin Forge Store
Wow my friend, wow.
Why do you even bother to act biased?
When you clearly have an agenda?

13:54
Art Darryl Steventon
You said no further contact so please refrain from any further contact. You haven't answered any question ( fairly or otherwise) put to you so our interaction is at an end Mr Mandelbraum.

13:56
Resin Forge Store
Oh they most certainly are, and yet you arent even correct in both accusations you just made. Scroll up. Good bye my "friend".

14:37
Resin Forge Store
What exactly has Resin Forge done wrong? Do we owe any customers since we opened? Anything? Anything at all?
We are all very curious as to how your feelings on us replying to questions means we are guilty of anything?

Can't say I didn't try! I don't think Daniel / Jason understand that honesty really is the best policy.

I'd like to see a name and contact information to the PR person.

A legitimate company would have this posted on page 1.

Art Steventon wrote:

I think you confused "Aerethan" with "Alpharius".

And yes, I contacted "Resin Forge" specifically because of that statement. Daniel Mandelbaum owes me a significant amount of money, "Resin Forge" said that if Daniel Mandelbaum owes anyone anything, please contact them, I've done so, and have received no resolution at all.

Long story short - I am now currently engaged in what looks to be the "run around" phase with "Resin Forge".

Apologies to both you and Aerethan - it does indeed appear that I have conflated two separate accounts - my mistake.

If you read back through my line of questioning, I remained polite and professional throughout the dialogues with Daniel / Jason. at no point did I become abusive or profane, and at no point did I threaten anyone, nor appear to be 'stalkery'. All I have done is to attempt to gain some clear answers from Daniel / Jason on each of the points.
My questioning on the HH Weekender were to ascertain whether those customers of RF who had placed orders in good faith would indeed get them - nothing more.

Since I published the above dialogue, Jason / Daniel have now accused me of being 'biased';

13:41
Resin Forge Store
All future communication from you needs to go to the customer service line. I'm sorry if you don't like that reply but there are no more answers for you as you are biased and one sided. Please do not message us here again.

13:41
Art Darryl Steventon
Ok Daniel. See you at the HH weekender, or not.

13:52
Resin Forge Store
Wow my friend, wow.
Why do you even bother to act biased?
When you clearly have an agenda?

13:54
Art Darryl Steventon
You said no further contact so please refrain from any further contact. You haven't answered any question ( fairly or otherwise) put to you so our interaction is at an end Mr Mandelbraum.

13:56
Resin Forge Store
Oh they most certainly are, and yet you arent even correct in both accusations you just made. Scroll up. Good bye my "friend".

14:37
Resin Forge Store
What exactly has Resin Forge done wrong? Do we owe any customers since we opened? Anything? Anything at all?
We are all very curious as to how your feelings on us replying to questions means we are guilty of anything?

Can't say I didn't try! I don't think Daniel / Jason understand that honesty really is the best policy.

Your agenda, or bias, clearly was to post your back and forth with Daniel here on Dakka. At least that would be my guess.
I have to ask Art, aren't you hurt you didn't make it to the "Troll" level?!?!
Thanks for the time you put into your effort!

I'm not hurt at all - it takes a lot more than a clearly troubled soul like Mr Mandelbraum to upset me!

Still, it was worth a shot.

I have severe doubts personally as to whether Jason even exists, and whether or not Kim is anything but a name for the PayPal account, as I believe Mandelbaum was banned from it... I would venture he just took his ex sister in laws credentials to make an acct.

Why?

Because every single message, in all ways from syntax to spelling errors to tone to evasiveness to badgering reeks of Daniel Mandelbaum and only Daniel Mandelbaum, based on both his public writing and his private interactions with me while pretending to be Susan Beasley.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I have severe doubts personally as to whether Jason even exists, and whether or not Kim is anything but a name for the PayPal account, as I believe Mandelbaum was banned from it... I would venture he just took his ex sister in laws credentials to make an acct.

Why?

Because every single message, in all ways from syntax to spelling errors to tone to evasiveness to badgering reeks of Daniel Mandelbaum and only Daniel Mandelbaum, based on both his public writing and his private interactions with me while pretending to be Susan Beasley.

Agreed. It's like a bad written "accent" for lack of a better way to put it.

*name removed*
Missing the point.
Simple question: can you confirm that you will be in attendance to the HH Weekender?
No more skirting around it, a simple yea or no will do! I have stood up for RF on all the UK sites this week, don't make me look stupid

Resin Forge Store
How else would we be able to get the items to our customers before they even go on sale at the FW website? People seem to think we pre sold tons of them. Try far, FAR, FAR fewer. We were the ones posting far below its 1 per person that attends the event. FW has said IF there are any extras at the end, we can make orders. There is also the chance to buy from people that dont want thiers at the event to. Its frowned upon but its done at all events with event only minis.

Resin Forge Store
Its not a trip to make profit. its a trip to bring new items back to RF before they are around the general public.
Its a classic business tactic. Not everything is about short term profit.

There we go. It's all legit and they go just to be able to bring it to their customers before it goes on general sale. I am happy we cleared that up Still having problems with straight "yes" or "no", but hey, who's going to insist?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

*name removed*
Missing the point.
Simple question: can you confirm that you will be in attendance to the HH Weekender?
No more skirting around it, a simple yea or no will do! I have stood up for RF on all the UK sites this week, don't make me look stupid

Resin Forge Store
How else would we be able to get the items to our customers before they even go on sale at the FW website? People seem to think we pre sold tons of them. Try far, FAR, FAR fewer. We were the ones posting far below its 1 per person that attends the event. FW has said IF there are any extras at the end, we can make orders. There is also the chance to buy from people that dont want thiers at the event to. Its frowned upon but its done at all events with event only minis.

Resin Forge Store
Its not a trip to make profit. its a trip to bring new items back to RF before they are around the general public.
Its a classic business tactic. Not everything is about short term profit.

There we go. It's all legit and they go just to be able to bring it to their customers before it goes on general sale. I am happy we cleared that up Still having problems with straight "yes" or "no", but hey, who's going to insist?

So we're to believe that RF, who employs a <redacted by moderator>, is a non profit who is acquiring models "for the people" and is willing to eat the cost of travel just to offer the models at roughly the same as retail price?

Nothing sketchy there.

So we're to believe that RF, who employs a known scammer, is a non profit who is acquiring models "for the people" and is willing to eat the cost of travel just to offer the models at roughly the same as retail price?

Nothing sketchy there.

Absolutely-diddely. Not only that, he also promised coverage of the event:

*name removed*
I am hopeing for some good pics and coverage and toys! As this will define my 30k focus for the next 6 months or so. Carry on RF!!!

Resin Forge Store
Oh there will be! We are already prepared!

Resin Forge Store
Its also nice to see you have taken your experiences with RF to heart and have not been sucked into the drama hole as are calling it now. We hope to see many more packages with your name on them being sent out!

Really looking forward to it

Would somebody (we are still banned) like to go over and ask if they are also going to bring the cash for the people who are still owned money from the previous endeavours of Mr Mandelbaum?

Well, all my comments and questions have been removed from his page, and he's blocked my access to post.

Ce'st La Vie - guess in the words of Jack Nickolson - he can't handle the truth!

The amount if trouble RF is going to keep things off he written record and pushing for a "he-said/he-said" phone conversation is pretty telling.

Please note that until convicted in a court of law someone should not be referred to as a known scammer.

Everyone is aware there are many reports about the activities of this person, which cast him in a dubious light.

It is up to individual users whether to believe such reports.

Would "fraud" be a better term? Since he has, publicly and on record, used fraudulent information in attempts to harass people both personally and professionally?

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

*name removed*
Missing the point.
Simple question: can you confirm that you will be in attendance to the HH Weekender?
No more skirting around it, a simple yea or no will do! I have stood up for RF on all the UK sites this week, don't make me look stupid

Resin Forge Store
How else would we be able to get the items to our customers before they even go on sale at the FW website? People seem to think we pre sold tons of them. Try far, FAR, FAR fewer. We were the ones posting far below its 1 per person that attends the event. FW has said IF there are any extras at the end, we can make orders. There is also the chance to buy from people that dont want thiers at the event to. Its frowned upon but its done at all events with event only minis.

Resin Forge Store
Its not a trip to make profit. its a trip to bring new items back to RF before they are around the general public.
Its a classic business tactic. Not everything is about short term profit.

There we go. It's all legit and they go just to be able to bring it to their customers before it goes on general sale. I am happy we cleared that up Still having problems with straight "yes" or "no", but hey, who's going to insist?

I mean, over $1000 dollars to get there? Somehow getting loads of one-per-person models in a "two man" team? Maundelbaum?
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

Has anyone considered that this dude is using his mother and ex-sister-in-laws names to engage in allegedly fraudulent activities? Shouldn't someone call a DA or FBI (seeing as how he is engaging in inter-state commerce) and see if they can handle this case as it seems that there is enough of a trail to put this guy down for identity theft and wire fraud?

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:



I mean, over $1000 dollars to get there? Somehow getting loads of one-per-person models in a "two man" team? Maundelbaum?
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

Sounds like a flawless plan to me, I fail to see the down side.

I am just glad that his name has been attached to this site so people can make a informed decision before deciding to purchase stuff from this site.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

If he was legitimately going to it to buy things for customers, he would have to take like, 20 people to the event to fill orders. Now let's pretend he's not going to fly 20 people there from Texas. We'll say he's just going to recruit some yobs hanging out at the pub. Buying 20 tickets and 20 Fulgrims pretty much means he would make no profit and in fact lose money.

In theory he could just have 20 (or however many he would need) friends or acquaintances who anyway were going to the HH Weekender and who agreed to buy one-per-person miniatures for him.

Does anyone else have any proof that the business truly exists at the location in the letter

You mean the Britcons business in the two alleged locations in Germany?

It's funny this should come up again, I was questioning the dodgy business plan of RS in the original warning post and have actually gotten a PM over at warseer "setting me straight" on the facts...

My original questioning as an avid follower and poster on the FW FB page was based on the fact that FW have said in several replies that pre-release items would be strictly limited to 1 per person, meaning if 2 co-owners went they could round up 2 Fulgrim models etc. in total. I then got this;



It seems that his company has 3 friends meeting up with them, I have a suspicion that at least one of these friends are no longer in on that deal. The identity of these friends can't be determined so I have no proof, so let's just pretend that they can still meet up with 3 guys at the event.


Okay, first off, RS is being accused of being associated with a known alleged scam'er, and he decides this is appropriate to react to instead of trying to clear his name and company name (suspicious along with the allusion to police reports in the PM title)

If we then look at the facts, he would now be able to obtain 5 Fulgrim models etc. on pre-release if his business associates + friends are all 5 of them each able to get 1, granted there's enough on sale, and they each manages to get one before FW running out.

That's still a gakky business plan, and even if they get all 5 what would they say to customer number 6, 7 and so on who they're not able to supply with the goods they pre-paid for? And how on earth do you know beforehand what to charge for a pre-release miniature that has no official price tag as of yet? If the model was, say £55 and they only charged £50 for the item they would loose money, that is a bad business plan...

This personal incident only cemented it without a doubt in my mind that these allegations were true, and that there was something fishy going on with this particular offer, an offer which sounded too good to be true. And we all know what is said about things on the internet that looks too good to be true....

@damned artificer: I seem to remember (the post was deleted since then) that on their Facebook page they said something about 5 or 6 "spots". Don't quote me on that though, can't prove it

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
@damned artificer: I seem to remember (the post was deleted since then) that on their Facebook page they said something about 5 or 6 "spots". Don't quote me on that though, can't prove it

And that may well be, but it doesn't account for how they plan to guarantee these since the pre-release items can't be reserved and also makes it really hard to determine a price to charge for said services. Even if this is actually the plan and they really go through with it and fly from Texas to Nottingham to buy FW models at an event without a 100% guarantee they can get what they intend to buy it's still a bad business plan I would take up gambling on the side as well, as it seems an equally good business plan to me