Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

If you're looking to just get a few of the existing (cheaper)figures you're probably better of shopping direct

however if you're after a bunch of stuff (or some of the new potential unlocks) the KS offers extra value as you pledge for more ranks.

Ugh, the choices! I'm going to just have to plunk some money in, and decide what I want at the end...

This finally got me in gear and I took a scale photo of the models I got from the KS1 campaign. Note that there is a penny, and the bases at the bottom of the photo are 25mm, while the one near the top is 20mm.

The thing I think is important to note is how small those wolves are. Tre is going to be sculpting goblins riding on top of them. They're about the size of the old Ral Partha metal wolves. Whereas Fenris is actually bigger than many other manufacturer's wolves (Tre mentioned that he is almost a god wolf).

The horses are also perfectly in-scale with many other ranges, as are the four male models shown. However, I believe these models are very large for Tre's range. Note how tiny the female model is up by the wolves!

Finally, note the metal bonebacks. Personally, I absolute love these and paid a small fortune to get some as they were getting hard to find lol, only to have them become available in metal again now . I think they are a good size, but remember- Tre plans to be sculpting goblins riding on the wolves that are pictured below them, so those "normal" sized goblins are Tiny. Whereas bonebacks look small, but I think can blend in next to goblins of other ranges (because they're halfway between a goblin and an orc for Tre).

Hope this helps . I am very pleased with these models, but it's important to know the scale! I had planned to convert my bonebacks to be riding these wolves, lol... now they will just be "herding" the wolves with whips

Good idea! It's important to note the scale for folks who don't know tre's stuff and are expecting 'heroic' scale.

Bone backs do fit on Tre's bear quite nicely though.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Some scale shots:

Tre's Little Goblins: http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?48052

Nice pics . They are on 20mm bases, right?

The little goblins? Yes. I think the humans are on 25mm. I'd pull them out and double check, but I've got them packed away in storage for a move.

...and funded already!

depending on my next paycheck, i might have to toss in for some goblins from this

hey Tre is there any way I could get 9 archers as a rank instead of 6 spearmen + 3 archers as a rank? i already own 36 of your metal spearmen

Interesting - The "design your own miniature" pledge is very (comparatively) cheap at $1,000, and does NOT have the usual limit to the number of backers that can select it.

(By comparison - the Freebooter Miniatures campaign last fall had a "Werner Klocke sculpts your mini idea" pledge and it was $1700 and with a 3 backer limit.)

Having someone the caliber of Tre sculpt your own mini is very tempting. If anyone has had some idea of a mini They've been wanting and can't seem to find, now is probably as good as it gets to snag one.

RiTides, do you have any of Tre's wolves? If so, would you mind taking some scale shots of them, way next to a ruler and/or a space marine so I can get a sense of size?

Azazel, I do, did you see the 3 small wolves in the pics I took above? They're small so maybe you missed them

I will try to take a better scale pic of just them... problem is, I only have a FW chaos dwarf, a converted 40k ork, or a fantasy ogre as a "GW" scale comparison. I keep meaning to find a single space marine for this purpose...

I'm actually pretty happy with the size of those wolves- real wolves aren't as big as LOTR wargs or "dire" wolves.

Azazelx

here's a shot of Fenris (wolf god) 5.5cm head to tail, 3.5cm high

and one of the Dire wolves 3.5 cm head to tail, just under 2cm high



(sorry for the rubbish photo, but hopefully it does the job)

grefven wrote:
So many options, so much to pick from... *drool*

I'll echo that drool. I don't own any Red Box minis (missed the first KS), and there is much here that is catching my eye.

Cheers guys!!

Thanks for posting that, Orlando!

I wish there was a cheaper "sweet spot" here... Like I said, spent what I had saved for it taking someone's KS 1 pledge, and $25 for one rank or $45 for two is a bit steep for people wanting to dip their toes in (although I know it drops to $18 per rank at a 10-rank pledge).

Overall, though, I think the prices look good. Much cheaper than the eBay bonebacks I got!

Certain ranks offer less value than others, probably because they are modular or large figures. Right now the Orcs are looking like being expensive to get in large amounts, but they are also probably going to be pretty big going from Tre's description. I am interested to see what will come along in the way of stretch goals. Tre's approach seems to be a cautious one this time, and since he lost money on the first KS, I can understand that. I'd rather have RBG around and producing more miniatures for the future than have gotten a burst of cheap minis now and then see it go out of business.

Update #1 FUNDED!!!!!!! and shipping cost estimates

AWESOME!!! Many thanks to all of you who have backed this project thus far! I am very excited to see some returning backers and new backers as well! I am even more excited about FINALLY being able to get back to work on new stuff!

Right now we are closing in on the Dvergr Footmen and beyond those, the ORCS!!! I am really very much looking forward to being able to show the WIPS of the orcs. Thus far he is coming together very well even if the modularity is a bit of a pain. I am keenly interested to know which item you guys would like to see expanded after the Orc footmen. Mayhaps a Njornan Hero? Goblin Hero? Dvergr hero? War staff? Orc Spearthrowers?? Orc spirit Witch? Or maybe Aelfar Footmen??

I have read many questions regarding the shipping costs. The reason I have set it up the way that I have is because I want to make the shipping work as smoothly as possible and while I do not foresee the fulfillment for this effort taking much more than 3 months or so I also want to keep the option open that if this DOES take longer than expected I can at least be able to ship what items I have on hand rather than having to wait until ALL items are received.

As far as the costs of shipping are concerned I will always try to keep the costs as low as possible. I do not seek to profit from shipping and handling. I want to get your product to you as quickly, and efficiently and cheaply as possible. I cannot accurately estimate shipping costs as we are dealing with worldwide shipping and with highly variable weights BUT I do have a general idea of how much each package will cost based on the number of figures contained there in. Please remember also that this I am basing this estimate on HUMAN sized METAL figures. Smaller figures will obviously weigh less per figure and will lower the postage cost while larger metal figures will weigh more and affect the costs accordingly. Resin figures will also weigh much less and in turn cost less to ship as well.

The following is an APPROXIMATE break down of the possible shipping costs. This is in no way a guarantee of actual costs.

# of figures US International

1-10..............$3............$8

11-25............$4............$10

26-45............$5............$10-15

46-65............$8............$15-20

66-85............$10..........$20-25

86-100..........$10...........$25-30

101-150........$12...........$30-35

151-200........$15...........$35-40

Please note that this is NOT a guarantee of postage costs. Some packages will cost less that listed above and some will cost more. This is just an estimate of possibilites.

Thanks everyone! And please ask any questions that you feel arise.

Cheers,

Tre'

I'm totally in! It's great to see Tre working up new sculpts. The Orcs should be fairly awesome, although I am a goblin lover at heart. Wolf riders and footmen are what I am going to be happy to see in production.

 RiTides wrote:
Azazel, I do, did you see the 3 small wolves in the pics I took above? They're small so maybe you missed them

I will try to take a better scale pic of just them... problem is, I only have a FW chaos dwarf, a converted 40k ork, or a fantasy ogre as a "GW" scale comparison. I keep meaning to find a single space marine for this purpose...

So, they're small, huh?

Those three figures will work just fine for scale. Thanks!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Thanks for the pics.. under 2cm? For Dire wolves? Hm, probably a bit small for my uses. I was hoping for stuff I could use as LotR SBG Wargs/Wolves, since a lot of Tre's models lend themselves to LotR.

I could use them as pups, I guess - but I don't want to buy more stuff just for it's own sake and then have to make excuses/figure out what I could use them for. They'd also work well for "real" wolves in RPG's.

Are the wolves really considered small??

 Azazelx wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Azazel, I do, did you see the 3 small wolves in the pics I took above? They're small so maybe you missed them

I will try to take a better scale pic of just them... problem is, I only have a FW chaos dwarf, a converted 40k ork, or a fantasy ogre as a "GW" scale comparison. I keep meaning to find a single space marine for this purpose...

So, they're small, huh?

Those three figures will work just fine for scale. Thanks!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Thanks for the pics.. under 2cm? For Dire wolves? Hm, probably a bit small for my uses. I was hoping for stuff I could use as LotR SBG Wargs/Wolves, since a lot of Tre's models lend themselves to LotR.

I could use them as pups, I guess - but I don't want to buy more stuff just for it's own sake and then have to make excuses/figure out what I could use them for. They'd also work well for "real" wolves in RPG's.

To me those wolves look giant. I mean, they aren't 6' tall at the shoulder, but they are easily far larger than an appropriately scaled wolf would be. A Gray Wolf is, like, little more than 2' at the shoulder I think. So a normal wolf is not even coming up to my waist. Standing erect (not crouched), those wolves probably come up to at least mid-chest on a 6' tall humanoid at that scale. Tre is probably better at explaining the scale, but to my eyes they seem to be as large or larger than a big Irish Wolfhound. I'm guessing something like 3.5'-4' at the shoulder. That is a big canine. I would be happy to say that is a dire canine.

LOTR Wargs are cyclopean monsters, about the size of Tre's Fenris model, or larger. In the Peter Jackson films they are gargantuan, like bear-sized wolves; even larger. A brown bear is something like 5' or so at the shoulder. Those Jackson Wargs are at least that big if not bigger. Tre's dire wolf models seem to be in line with a D&D dire wolf.

Tre,

I think those wolves are perfect for 'real' wolves (and a major reason I was so pleased to get them, along with their looks)

Quite a lot of the other wolves on the market are larger and fine for use as 'wargs' or other superwolves but a bit rubbish if you're after natural animals

Yeah, I said that. They would be fine for normal wolves, especially for RPGs and of course they're scaled to RBG proportions. I always pictured dire wolves as closer to 5', but then there's a lot of differen RPG systems out there. They're just too small for my own purposes.

I agree that they are a realistic size for a normal dog/wolf. I just wanted to post up the pics so folks thinking of getting them to use as wolves for other things would know their size.

I think they're small to be ridden, certainly, and also wanted people to see the size comparison between them and the ridden horses.

Overall, I am happy with them, I was just a bit shocked at the size and had to come up with a different use for them than I had originally planned. Hopefully, this helps other people not be taken off guard, and know exactly what they would be geting if they pledged for them (and thus if they are small for their tastes, they could simply pick something else).

It's much less of an issue in this campaign, where they are 6 for $18 at the highest pledge level (rather than 3 for $18 as in the first campaign) and where there are soooooooo many choices to pick from for the rank options

I think they are a good size to be ridden by goblins. In Dungeons and Dragons, Small Goblins ride Medium wolves, which is exactly what these guys look like to me. GW's goblins have always been on the chunky side of "small".

As I said before, I think that the wolves are way too large for an appropriately scaled wolf. One of the things I love about Tre's miniatures is that they are all scaled very, very consistently.

I think they are small for a "Large," as in D&D large, wolf, and agree with Da Boss on that point. Even so, Large in D&D is larger than a human, so we're talking like a wolf the size of a grizzly bear.

Tre's dire wolves seem to evoke the sort of size of a frighteningly large wolf. Like, abnormally massive, tiger or lion-sized wolf. This reminds me of the dire wolves in the Game of Thrones series; freaking large wolves, but not grown-man-riding-me gigantic wolf.

I admit that when I first pulled them out I thought they looked small, but then I set them next to the RBG miniatures and I was like, oh, no, those are darn big wolves. I am going to use them as huge wolves in a wold west game too, and I particularly like that they are big, but not like fantastically, amazingly, monstrously huge.

Fenris is the size of the dire wolves people are talking about.

Isn't scale a bit arbitrary in a fantasy universe with imaginary races in it?

Again, I don't disagree, but I think the pictures speak for themselves that those wolves are scaled as wolves were in the early 90's or the like, rather than what someone might expect now. It's totally fine, just as long as people Know!

In the last campaign, there was no visual way to tell how much larger Fenris was. Now there is, so it's win-win

WIPS of a modular orc. Still WIP, no armour on it yet etc..