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The is issue of price is going to be even more prevalent considering the annual GW tribute to the money god...errr I mean price hike is right around the corner.

hellpato wrote:
MDR, I read this pointless topic and all I can do is laughing. Over price or not? Quality or not? Who care at the end. When you like something you buy it at the end.

Should have spent the time learning grammar!

As a fan of ranked up army combat games like WHFB, the recent releases of hard plastic historicals are quite telling. Supposedly GW is much larger and produces a greater volume of each sprue than Warlord, Perry, Fireforge, Victrix, Conquest, etc., and yet despite the volume advantage, the historical producers beat GW on a price-per-figure basis. In fact, they make the dire avengers look absolutely insane.

£20.50 for 5 Dire Avengers or £20.00 for 12 cavalry. Even if you want to claim the Dire Avengers are larger and more detailed than the historical infantry, they're certainly not larger than the cavalry. As for detail:



EDIT: Oops. My mistake. A box of those is £18 for 12 cavalry, not £20

EDIT 2: GW has some kits that are more comparable to what these historical kits offer. For £20, you can get 8 cavalry for GW's plastic cav. So that's a bit better.

EDIT 3: If you want to compare infantry, Perry has theirs at 40 figures for £18 and Gripping Beast is 44 for £20. There are a bunch of others as well like Victrix who come in at 48 miniatures for £23.

And then you need to take into account that people in the US, Canada and Australia don't have access to GW at UK prices. The historical manufacturers don't try to control the exchange rates and let the distributors do their thing to get the product into stores at reasonable price.

What a dog pile this turned into.

 frozenwastes wrote:
Why not just stop moving the goal posts?

'Cause then he'd have to admit he's wrong.

Or trolling.

And I really don't think he's trolling.

 Spartan089 wrote:
The is issue of price is going to be even more prevalent considering the annual GW tribute to the money god...errr I mean price hike is right around the corner.

I'm not sure that they will be hiking the annual prices this year as they've been bumping up prices of stuff each time a new army is released & theres been quite a few recently.

Obviously, I'd love it if they did "adjust" the prices next month for the entertainment value alone.

Well I personally think that GW plc have gone from a strategy of maximizing profit with annual price rises.
To desperate money grabs on each release to try to maintain a stable gross profit of a shrinking sales volume. AND if their is an annual price rise on top of this , it just shows how desperate for cash they really are.

It's also entirely possible that at some point they really will think they have hit the maximum revenue in terms of units sold x price and not raise prices for a year.

I can't believe I was able to type that with a straight face. It theoretically could happen, but if they really are only supporting revenue on falling volume through price increases, then they can never stop raising them without a drop in revenue.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
The is issue of price is going to be even more prevalent considering the annual GW tribute to the money god...errr I mean price hike is right around the corner.

I'm not sure that they will be hiking the annual prices this year as they've been bumping up prices of stuff each time a new army is released & theres been quite a few recently.

I think they probably will, though they've kept quiet about it pretty well so far.

It's almost guaranteed to leak right after I unload a few hundred dollars of stuff at ~50% of current RRP, though.

So now we have GW CA as the new whipping boy ($140 Wraithknights? woooww). Seems the US pricing is fast catching up to down under as well with $115 USD vs $125 AUD kits now coming into standard 40k.

Good thing I had 100 Dire Avengers sitting aside.

That next price hike is going to be a doozey.

Supposedly GW is much larger and produces a greater volume of each sprue than Warlord, Perry, Fireforge, Victrix, Conquest, etc., and yet despite the volume advantage, the historical producers beat GW on a price-per-figure basis. In fact, they make the dire avengers look absolutely insane.

A local store here in the US special ordered Victrix Ancient Athenians for me recently, it was $44 for 48 beautiful models! Yeah, that makes the new Dire Avenger pricing seem all the more absurd.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

hellpato wrote:
MDR, I read this pointless topic and all I can do is laughing. Over price or not? Quality or not? Who care at the end. When you like something you buy it at the end.

Should have spent the time learning grammar!

you should have spent the time learning grammar too. Read up on 'subjects'.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What a dog pile this turned into.

 frozenwastes wrote:
Why not just stop moving the goal posts?

'Cause then he'd have to admit he's wrong.

Or trolling.

And I really don't think he's trolling.

your ad Hom straw man is missing the point.

 BryllCream wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

hellpato wrote:
MDR, I read this pointless topic and all I can do is laughing. Over price or not? Quality or not? Who care at the end. When you like something you buy it at the end.

Should have spent the time learning grammar!

you should have spent the time learning grammar too. Read up on 'subjects'.

While on the subject of grammar, look up capitalization.

I swear, debates about grammar make everybody's grammer, vocababulary, and speling the worser.

The Auld Grump

*EDIT* I have decided to hold on to the term 'vocababulary'... while intended as a joke, it is so descriptive.... You will be seeing that term again....

 BryllCream wrote:

your ad Hom straw man is missing the point.

Ironic statement is ironic.

 Spartan089 wrote:
The is issue of price is going to be even more prevalent considering the annual GW tribute to the money god...errr I mean price hike is right around the corner.

Kinda looking forward to it if just to see the world burns.

...I'm not a good person.

Baronyu wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
The is issue of price is going to be even more prevalent considering the annual GW tribute to the money god...errr I mean price hike is right around the corner.

Kinda looking forward to it if just to see the world burns.

...I'm not a good person.

"One more day to go,
One more day of sorrow
One more day to go,
Then we'll raise the prices tomorrow!"

 Grimtuff wrote:

Baronyu wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
The is issue of price is going to be even more prevalent considering the annual GW tribute to the money god...errr I mean price hike is right around the corner.

Kinda looking forward to it if just to see the world burns.

...I'm not a good person.

"One more day to go,
One more day of sorrow
One more day to go,
Then we'll raise the prices tomorrow!"

I sang that in my head to Tom Bombadil's song.

Read a few pages.

Last time I checked their 2011-2012 report (2012-2013 isn't out til June IIRC), they were making roughly 75% of their revenue back into gross profit.

In total, I think they were like 10% Net Profit Margin? Which is somewhat-ish standard (although you can't really compare 2 companies as they have very different business strategies, methods of production, and the likes). If they dropped their price a quarter of what it was, then it'd take a few years for sales to rise to compensate (theoretically), which is just too risky with too much of a chance to kill GW.

With that being said, they made a loss in Australia for many years until 2011-2012 where they finally came out with a net profit in our area.

As for me, I like mantic games stuff as well as others (especially the recent kickstarts). The other stuff is also dirt cheap (Reaper? Not so much) and gives me creativity with conversions as their kits come pretty standardised.

However, the other stuff don't have the models I like, like Terminators, Dreadnoughts, or Daemon Princes. So I'm still willing to buy a Daemon Prince on ebay for $30.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

I'm not sure that they will be hiking the annual prices this year as they've been bumping up prices of stuff each time a new army is released & theres been quite a few recently.
.

They already have. Have you not looked at the latest releases? Prices for the respective kits are higher than they usually are on release. GW seem to think people wont notice.

blood lance wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

I'm not sure that they will be hiking the annual prices this year as they've been bumping up prices of stuff each time a new army is released & theres been quite a few recently.
.

They already have. Have you not looked at the latest releases? Prices for the respective kits are higher than they usually are on release. GW seem to think people wont notice.

"as they've been bumping up prices of stuff each time a new army is released "