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 LoneLictor wrote:

 Troike wrote:
I like to think that he doesn't really have one beyond "The Emperor". He is, after all, a combination of several individuals, so a title as a name would suit that concept.

 LoneLictor wrote:
I'm going to guess Satan, just for shock-value.

When the Old Ones (known as God and his Angels) created humanity, the Emperor saw how strong they would grow to be and tried to conquer them. It was a long and bloody war, and it came to bitter end at Mars, where the Emperor was bested and made to flee.

He spent years nursing himself back to health, and recuperating his lost power. All the while, he monitored humanity's growth. He saw the rise of the Eldar and the carnage of the Orks, and he watched intently as the first humans took flight. With a bitter satisfaction, he saw the Old Ones plunged into extinction, and their memory fade from the annals of history.

It was during the Dark Age of Technological, when humanity was at its weakest, when it truly needed a savior, that Satan saw his opportunity and took it. His name was a curse, a blasphemy, and so he hid from it. All men were to address him by his title instead; the God Emperor.

The Emperor was created after humanity came about, though. He's the result of several human shamans sacrificing themselves and reincarnating into one body.

That's just one theory.

Personally, I dislike the idea that the Emperor is space jesus suffering more multiple personality disorder.

It's not a theory, it's old fluff. Old, uncontradicted fluff (though notably unused as well).

Not to mention, the War in Heaven, again uncontradicted, happened far, far before the birth of mankind. Millions of years before, in fact.

While time does not exist in the warp (hence why Slaanesh always existed yet was birthed by the Eldar), time does exist in in the material world. For the Old Ones to have had a war with 'Satan', there had to, you know, be Old Ones. The Old Ones were dead and gone by the time the Emperor was born.

It's a good theory, and thoroughly entertaining. It just doesn't line up with the timelines of the War in Heaven.

Personally, I call him Joffrey, it just seems right.

I don't know why...

Hat if his name is just the first letter of every primarch and he orchestrated their names he is after a bad azz psyker and ridiculously old words were a little weirder back then

 LoneLictor wrote:

 Troike wrote:
I like to think that he doesn't really have one beyond "The Emperor". He is, after all, a combination of several individuals, so a title as a name would suit that concept.

 LoneLictor wrote:
I'm going to guess Satan, just for shock-value.

When the Old Ones (known as God and his Angels) created humanity, the Emperor saw how strong they would grow to be and tried to conquer them. It was a long and bloody war, and it came to bitter end at Mars, where the Emperor was bested and made to flee.

He spent years nursing himself back to health, and recuperating his lost power. All the while, he monitored humanity's growth. He saw the rise of the Eldar and the carnage of the Orks, and he watched intently as the first humans took flight. With a bitter satisfaction, he saw the Old Ones plunged into extinction, and their memory fade from the annals of history.

It was during the Dark Age of Technological, when humanity was at its weakest, when it truly needed a savior, that Satan saw his opportunity and took it. His name was a curse, a blasphemy, and so he hid from it. All men were to address him by his title instead; the God Emperor.

The Emperor was created after humanity came about, though. He's the result of several human shamans sacrificing themselves and reincarnating into one body.

That's just one theory.

Personally, I dislike the idea that the Emperor is space jesus suffering more multiple personality disorder.

Its not "just one theory" it is the origin story of the Emperor published by GW in the old Realms of Chaos book.

I don't know what his real name is, but his homies call him Big Eddie

Chuck Norris!



Sorry, couldn't help it.

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Chuck Norris!



Sorry, couldn't help it.

Sly Marbo's misformed child.

wow. lot of great answers. i really should start reading more of the novels. i was wondering how long it would take before someone said Chuck Norris lol.

Bob.

He is the Living God who walks the Earth in huckster's shoes.

The Emperor was created after humanity came about, though. He's the result of several human shamans sacrificing themselves and reincarnating into one body.

This isn't cannon, and there isn't any 100% proof on the origin or creation of the Emperor. However i have thought about the Old ones, they are apparently Lizards in space, i think we could safely assume they have Shamans as their spiritual leaders or guides, if the Old ones used these Shamans to create the Eldar and Orks then why couldn't they create the Emperor i dont know.

The only fact we know is that logic dictates the Old ones created the Emperor.

Someone also mentioned the Emperor wasn't around when humans came about, this is false the first 'human life' if we assume the Emperor is human was in fact the Emperor.

Homo sapiens sapiens came sometime after who knows how the evolution or instantaneous creation of humans came about. It seems the Old ones snapped their fingers and said "Let there be Eldar, and there was Eldar, they said "Let there be Orks" and then there was suddenly Eldar and Ork.

It would seem Humans were the same way? Insert assumption. The eldar refer to humans; sometimes saying they were 'spawned from the muck', this too me sounds like an slang reference to evolution. But who knows? EVERYONE!? False. NO ONE.

Again someone mentioned that the Emperor fought the Old ones. This is false, the Emperor did not this we know for certain, the Old ones had left our Galactic plane and Universe before this could even become a possibility, And by the way the Old ones would snap their fingers and say "Undo thyself" the the Emperor would disintegrate.

However the emperor did seem to capture and tie up a shard of C'tan the void dragon, or perhaps an actual C'tan, once again we dont know this as 100% cannon just 100% assumption/logic.

If however the Emperor came about on Terra and there were somehow humans already in existence which im 99% sure there weren't his true form may not be Human looking at all, his shape or real self could be something entirely different. Using his massive psychic power he could develop and make himself a new 'shell' 'form' so to speak. This way humans wouldn't be afraid of his 'true form.'

Im starting to think the Emperor was like the C'tan a sprite, a ball of focused condensed psychic power that was sent to Terra and there he remained until the Humans developed or however we were created and then the Emperor sprite took form. This makes the most sense to me.

GW has revealed that the Emperor has siblings and normal human parents.

As much as people try and deny it, the origin of the Emperor being born to human parents in 8000BC after all human shamans committed mass suicide and combined their total essence into one super being in the Warp before finding a suitable vessel, is canon. It is confirmed and clarified by GW, they wrote it and never retconned it.
The idea that the Old Ones, who died out millions of years ago, could have created the Emperor is bollocks at best. It's some fan spank that spread like a disease through the fandom. It is unsourced and impossible.

Nobody knows, but he likes to be called:

The Emperor
The Emprah
The Big E
Big Daddy Empy
Big Pappa Emprah

And many, many more xD

 Frecklesonfire wrote:

The Emperor was created after humanity came about, though. He's the result of several human shamans sacrificing themselves and reincarnating into one body.

This isn't cannon

Yes it is.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Emperor#Origins

If the lexicanum said i was your God would you believe it?

Just because something is in the Lex doesnt make or mean its cannon. Ive never heard or seen these books that are sourced.

Then the onus is on you to do your research.

Daniel Mandelbaum ......

 Frecklesonfire wrote:
If the lexicanum said i was your God would you believe it?

Just because something is in the Lex doesnt make or mean its cannon. Ive never heard or seen these books that are sourced.

Oh, well here's the book that establishes it as canon.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Realm_of_Chaos:_The_Lost_and_the_Damned#The_Lost_and_the_Damned

Now you've heard of it.

Its also worth mentioning that almost every race has psychic powers and these races were created by the Old ones. Its almost impossible to not be created by the Old ones and have psychic powers.

he idea that the Old Ones, who died out millions of years ago, could have created the Emperor is bollocks at best. It's some fan spank that spread like a disease through the fandom. It is unsourced and impossible.

They are not dead, they didn't die out, they left. Read Necron codex.

Your telling me its more realistic that human shamans that were so powerful are somehow able to combine into one being? All of a sudden we got a group of Goku's and Vegita's? lmao. This is so wrong. Your saying that humans have the knowledge to combine metamorphosis like together into a being of psychic power strong enough to beat a C'tan shard or full strength. ? Only one thing could do that, the Old ones.

As for all of the Lex's info on the emperor i just read it, sounds made up at best and a lot of the stories and accounts are rough ideas and old stories, the stories that aren't cannon, weren't based on cannon.

 Frecklesonfire wrote:
Its also worth mentioning that almost every race has psychic powers and these races were created by the Old ones. Its almost impossible to not be created by the Old ones and have psychic powers.

he idea that the Old Ones, who died out millions of years ago, could have created the Emperor is bollocks at best. It's some fan spank that spread like a disease through the fandom. It is unsourced and impossible.

They are not dead, they didn't die out, they left. Read Necron codex.

Your telling me its more realistic that human shamans that were so powerful are somehow able to combine into one being? All of a sudden we got a group of Goku's and Vegita's? lmao. This is so wrong. Your saying that humans have the knowledge to combine metamorphosis like together into a being of psychic power strong enough to beat a C'tan shard or full strength. ? Only one thing could do that, the Old ones.

As for all of the Lex's info on the emperor i just read it, sounds made up at best and a lot of the stories and accounts are rough ideas and old stories, the stories that aren't cannon, weren't based on cannon.

Dude. The Shaman reincarnation theory appeared in a book which was made by Games Workshop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realm_of_Chaos_%28Warhammer%29

Are you saying that Games Workshop is not a valid source for 40K canon?

No, but its a source for sometimes gakky canon I would like to ignore.

I prefer to believe the Emperor is Satan. And really, he isn't as bad as the Bible portrays him. Its just that, history is written by the winners, and the Old Ones who won didn't look too kindly on lil' Satan.

I'm the first to admit it throws canon out the window, but honestly I like it just because of how much seething hatred it attracts from the "The Imperium is the good guys" type of player.

According to TVTropes, Malcador knows the Emperor's true name. They didn't cite where that comes from, though, so I don't know the original source. At any rate, I don't see why GW has to reveal it. We know it exists and that the Emperor used tons of fake names throughout history, likely for a wide variety of practical reasons (protection from chaos being an obvious one). At that point, plot-wise, it doesn't really matter whether his name was Alraciousneverklalksalajhsalm or Bob, I think.

 Frecklesonfire wrote:
Its also worth mentioning that almost every race has psychic powers and these races were created by the Old ones. Its almost impossible to not be created by the Old ones and have psychic powers.

he idea that the Old Ones, who died out millions of years ago, could have created the Emperor is bollocks at best. It's some fan spank that spread like a disease through the fandom. It is unsourced and impossible.

They are not dead, they didn't die out, they left. Read Necron codex.

Your telling me its more realistic that human shamans that were so powerful are somehow able to combine into one being? All of a sudden we got a group of Goku's and Vegita's? lmao. This is so wrong. Your saying that humans have the knowledge to combine metamorphosis like together into a being of psychic power strong enough to beat a C'tan shard or full strength. ? Only one thing could do that, the Old ones.

As for all of the Lex's info on the emperor i just read it, sounds made up at best and a lot of the stories and accounts are rough ideas and old stories, the stories that aren't cannon, weren't based on cannon.

Human shamans could reincarnate. One day they realised that it was getting harder to do so, so they all committed mass suicide, and reincarnated into the one body. You have everyone on this thread telling you that it is cannon. By the time the Emperor was born, the remaining Old Ones were nothing more than backwards lizards on a few nameless rocks. They did not create the Emperor.
You have been given several sources as to where it is mentioned that the Emperor was born of humanity's last remaining original psykers before the Warp got too turbulent and daemons began to eat souls.

The Emperor is the ultimate human psyker, that's why he is so powerful, he wasn't some last ditch Old One creation. It's said that the Old Ones created humanity in the beginning, but by the time Emperor was born, they were gone. If he was create by the Old Ones, then why doesn't he go around obliterating tomb worlds during the Crusade? Because the Old Ones didn't create him and tell him about their biggest enemy, this huge threat that would soon be awakening to wipe out all life.

You are wrong. Normally I'm all up for a good debate, people passing opinions back and forth, but you are just ignoring proof and spouting out the same crap over and over and over.

There are some who call him.... Tim

TiamatRoar wrote:
According to TVTropes, Malcador knows the Emperor's true name. They didn't cite where that comes from, though, so I don't know the original source. At any rate, I don't see why GW has to reveal it. We know it exists and that the Emperor used tons of fake names throughout history, likely for a wide variety of practical reasons (protection from chaos being an obvious one). At that point, plot-wise, it doesn't really matter whether his name was Alraciousneverklalksalajhsalm or Bob, I think.

If Daemons can destroy people with just their names, why were Reboute, Rogal Dorn, Sanguinius, the Lion, Vulkan, Ferrus Manus, Corvus Corax, Leman Russ, and Malcador all safe?

False!!

bodazoka wrote:
False!!

Who are you talking to?

 LoneLictor wrote:

bodazoka wrote:
False!!

Who are you talking to?

I think he is implying that the Emperor's name is False, making him the False Emperor. We have a chaos sympathiser methinks

 LoneLictor wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
According to TVTropes, Malcador knows the Emperor's true name. They didn't cite where that comes from, though, so I don't know the original source. At any rate, I don't see why GW has to reveal it. We know it exists and that the Emperor used tons of fake names throughout history, likely for a wide variety of practical reasons (protection from chaos being an obvious one). At that point, plot-wise, it doesn't really matter whether his name was Alraciousneverklalksalajhsalm or Bob, I think.

If Daemons can destroy people with just their names, why were Reboute, Rogal Dorn, Sanguinius, the Lion, Vulkan, Ferrus Manus, Corvus Corax, Leman Russ, and Malcador all safe?

Simple, they weren't daemons!

Jeffrey Lebowski.