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I think you missed greater demons and demon princes.

Plus, you can hardly call the bloodthirster a counterexample of monstrous creatures...

All of which have already been around for years. The OP's point was NEW MCs. Besides, half the point of Demons is to have really giant cool MC's anyway so it's not like they'd be out of place there.

And like I said before, if you look at the four 6th ed codexes that have been released so far, Chaos got a large walker (not really a MC but still probably the type of unit the OP is talking about), and Tau got the Riptide. That's about it. Someone said "But DA got a flier instead", but CSM got a flier and so did Tau. Fliers are the one thing that will be in every codex almost certainly. Large walkers and monstrous creatures? So far the trend says no.

I don't see the problem with the new elder wraith knight price. People have been paying triple that price for forgeworld titans for years. This model is nearly as large for 1/3 or at most 1/2 the price.

Gw is doin right by gamers as far as I'm concerned with this...and I'm far from a fanboy. Some foot may very well be them thrashing about in a panic, but if the result is good minis then I say thrash away

I've said this elsewhere, but I should say it again.

GW, no more giant robots please.

 Wilytank wrote:
I've said this elsewhere, but I should say it again.

GW, no more giant robots please.

Your argument is invalid Look at THAT epic scene.

I agree that a lot of the more recent books didn't need all new miniature lines for core because they look pretty up to date and good. But aren't the current chaos space marine squad sculpts something like 10 years old? I could be wrong, I'm new to 40k but I read that stat somewhere and they certainly look like it. I've been a long time player of other GW games and yes, the company does seem to be a bumbling buffoon with no real direction who occasionally rouses from it's slumber to find the most obnoxious ways to make more cash from it's customers.
I appreciate getting more than one codex every 9 months so that at any given time only a couple codexes even make sense in the current edition but doing it just to sell big plastic kits isn't the right reason.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
I've said this elsewhere, but I should say it again.

GW, no more giant robots please.

Your argument is invalid Look at THAT epic scene.

this. SO, SO much this.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
I've said this elsewhere, but I should say it again.

GW, no more giant robots please.

Your argument is invalid Look at THAT epic scene.

Take your Apocalypse photo collections and go away. The Orks have a giant robot, but it's an Apocalypse Super Heavy and rightly so. Now the Eldar are getting one that's only a couple of inches shorter and it can be used in normal games? I hope this running trend ends.

It seems like bigger kits is just what people seem to want, after all, look at Warmahordes?

Bit sad that people are jumping up and down about it before all of the information is available though, personally I think the flyers look great, the wraith knight looks like its going to be a lot of fun to play with (no way that things going to get cover) and its setting the scene nicely for the alleged apoc release later this year.

Who knows, the plastic Thunderhawk we've all been hoping for could be on the way!

 Wilytank wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
I've said this elsewhere, but I should say it again.

GW, no more giant robots please.

Your argument is invalid Look at THAT epic scene.

Take your Apocalypse photo collections and go away. The Orks have a giant robot, but it's an Apocalypse Super Heavy and rightly so. Now the Eldar are getting one that's only a couple of inches shorter and it can be used in normal games? I hope this running trend ends.

Just wait, itll be priced at 200 points
Im sure orks will get some love too. Maybe a squigoth?

As a thought, given the large kits being produced for each army now as they're released in turn, I'm curious as to what other armies may get, or may get ported into "normal" 40k at this rate. Eldar are apparently getting formerly-Epic-specific Knights as a codex unit, how long until we see say, Baneblades as a Heavy Support choice in some form or fashion for IG armies?

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a thought, given the large kits being produced for each army now as they're released in turn, I'm curious as to what other armies may get, or may get ported into "normal" 40k at this rate. Eldar are apparently getting formerly-Epic-specific Knights as a codex unit, how long until we see say, Baneblades as a Heavy Support choice in some form or fashion for IG armies?

The baneblade costs 600 points though, im sure the Eldar unit isn't more than 300

BB's are only 500 (though yes, still a big gap ). I'm really hoping that never comes to pass, even as an IG player owning 4, they just shouldn't be there, but at the same time it's not unheard of to see near 500pt units already after kit and kaboodle, and what better way to re-energize sales of a big expensive tank kit than to put it in the codex?

 Rinkydink wrote:
Whilst I am certainly enjoying the fact GW seems to have increased its output in term of releases - With Eldar imminent, that makes 5 factions since 6th Ed. hit - CSM, DA, Daemons, Tau and now Eldar.

- I am a little concerned that Giant MC's seem to be the way of things to come. Do you think this trend will continue with each subsequent release? Bigger and bigger MC's for the foreseeable future? The once all powerful Carnifex must be quaking in his paltry 60mm based, hoofed boots.

For a while, I though flyers would be the prevalent release, but heck, what do I know?


Mods: Please move to 40k discussion...

That said, I would expect the Carnifex to get an injection of awesomeness rules-wise when the next Tyranid book hits. Such an iconic unit, sad to see it fall behind the Tervigon and Trygon.

 Vaktathi wrote:
BB's are only 500 (though yes, still a big gap ). I'm really hoping that never comes to pass, even as an IG player owning 4, they just shouldn't be there, but at the same time it's not unheard of to see near 500pt units already after kit and kaboodle, and what better way to re-energize sales of a big expensive tank kit than to put it in the codex?

I could see the Baneblade making it into the Imperial Guard codex.

Make it an HQ choice for an Armored Company, and bam.

For that matter, the Shadowsword and its chassis could make an appearance as well in the same vein.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
BB's are only 500 (though yes, still a big gap ). I'm really hoping that never comes to pass, even as an IG player owning 4, they just shouldn't be there, but at the same time it's not unheard of to see near 500pt units already after kit and kaboodle, and what better way to re-energize sales of a big expensive tank kit than to put it in the codex?

I could see the Baneblade making it into the Imperial Guard codex.

Make it an HQ choice for an Armored Company, and bam.

For that matter, the Shadowsword and its chassis could make an appearance as well in the same vein.

My issue isn't couldn't. It's shouldn't.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
BB's are only 500 (though yes, still a big gap ). I'm really hoping that never comes to pass, even as an IG player owning 4, they just shouldn't be there, but at the same time it's not unheard of to see near 500pt units already after kit and kaboodle, and what better way to re-energize sales of a big expensive tank kit than to put it in the codex?

I could see the Baneblade making it into the Imperial Guard codex.

Make it an HQ choice for an Armored Company, and bam.

For that matter, the Shadowsword and its chassis could make an appearance as well in the same vein.

My God man. If this would actually happen all my IG dreams would be fulfilled. GW's release of giant mecha robots of doom was at first starting to scare me but if it trickled over to the IG getting the Baneblade as a non apoc only requirement that would be bloody brilliant.

Mechanistically I think it'd work fine basically it'd be a 9HP russ with a big blast and a ton of points, but thematically I have issues with the availability of such a vehicle in just any battle, though I guess at that point Space Marines wouldn't be seen much either...

That's why you point it highly and you make it a HQ choice. Limit the availability of the unit.

That's why you point it highly and you make it a HQ choice. Limit the availability of the unit.

And/or limit it 0-1 for an army.

Also, I wonder what the Space Marine one will be.

Hope to god it's not the GK one.

I'd also be fine with a tank.

Then again, we've gotten two new flyers since our codex launched, so maybe we don't need anything.

To be honest, I'd be much happier with bigger tanks. Giant robots only suit a very small number of armies. Even the Eldar are a somewhat dubious choice; yes they use titans and their various wraith units, but they're just as partial to skimmers. Heck, they're probably one of the most mechanised armies out there, and FW has produced a bunch of cool super-skimmers, both Apoc sized, and those suitable for 40k (Warp Hunters anyone?). Giving a walker to everyone feels cheesy to me, and I sincerely hope they drop that particular scheme as we go into armies increasingly ill-suited for walkers.

The theory is Vanilla Marines are next, and dear god, they don't need a Dreadknight. The GK had an excuse for a giant walker; they fight giant daemons on a regular basis, it's just the execution on the model was gak. The Marines, however, have no such excuse. There is no possible reason for a precision strike army to have giant mecha, and what they could benefit from instead is more specialist infantry or light vehicles; superheavy walkers just don't fit their theme.

The orks and Tyranids are the only other armies in the works that really can justify a giant walking unit, and even then neither really need it. I'd much rather see more ork vehicles than pseudo-MCs. In truth, I think this focus on giant walkers is pushing 40ks aesthetic closer to warmahordes, which is not what I want.

For Orks I really do hope the Mega-Dread becomes a plastic kit, that would be cool for their Giant robot...

Also I did measure the size of the Waithknight to the Stompa and the Knight is about the same size as the Stompa (its around 9" as I have heard), so who knows? maybe we could get the Stompa for the Ork codex...

For the last time, we should not have super heavies in the codex.

 Wilytank wrote:
For the last time, we should not have super heavies in the codex.

You beating on this singular point isn't going to make it go away. As has been said, most armies are "up to date" (by GW standards anyway) & really don't have many other options to re-invigorate armies or cause players w/ completed armies to spend more money on their army when their new codex drops.

So many things that were previously epic or apoc scale have been introduced into 6th ed's core rules - rest assured, it will continue.

~Vryce

Cool, then they should lose structure points so they can be handled in 1500 points.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Why would GW bother to update old troop models when most people take only minimal troops? When was the last time you saw a real tournament list with more than the minimum? Necrons are the worst with 2-3 units of five models in most competetive lists.

Have you actually ever played at a tournament?

Many competitive lists...

And there the argument falls. The tournament players are a very small proportion of the gaming community. If GW did care about competitive players (and I think they have said themselves that they don't focus on them), then the rules of the game and the structure of the armies would be very different. GW bring out these centrepiece models which are expensive and cool because all the kids and impulse buyers buy them, because they are "cool". The fact that GW normally gives them awesome rules is to sell to a few more people who know what they're doing.

You know, it wouldn't actually surprise me if the new guard codex get's something that's an intermediary between the russ and the baneblade.

Because otherwise they're going to have to give us some sort of super-armored-sentinel-MC-monstrosity that will make me want to vomit on myself.

 Ailaros wrote:
You know, it wouldn't actually surprise me if the new guard codex get's something that's an intermediary between the russ and the baneblade.

Because otherwise they're going to have to give us some sort of super-armored-sentinel-MC-monstrosity that will make me want to vomit on myself.

I'm very much okay with an up scaled Sentinel with dual guns

 Wilytank wrote:
Cool, then they should lose structure points so they can be handled in 1500 points.

Obviously you don't understand what Hull Points are.

~Vryce

 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be honest, I'd be much happier with bigger tanks. Giant robots only suit a very small number of armies. Even the Eldar are a somewhat dubious choice; yes they use titans and their various wraith units, but they're just as partial to skimmers. Heck, they're probably one of the most mechanised armies out there, and FW has produced a bunch of cool super-skimmers, both Apoc sized, and those suitable for 40k (Warp Hunters anyone?). Giving a walker to everyone feels cheesy to me, and I sincerely hope they drop that particular scheme as we go into armies increasingly ill-suited for walkers.

Yes, but Eldar did have a walker between titan and dreadnought size in Epic. Called a Knight.

That's really what these big robots feel like, GW reimagining the Knight concept and bringing it to 40k. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an Imperial Knight with Magna Melta, Battle Cannon, Chainsword and Lance weapon options either in the Guard codex.

The real downside is GW missed an opportunity to give Chaos a Knight as well.

 Wilytank wrote:
Cool, then they should lose structure points so they can be handled in 1500 points.

In all honesty they are very easily handled in 1500pts. If you can handle 3 Leman Russ tanks (which a TAC list should) in 1500pts, you can more than deal with a Baneblade, as a BB has roughly the same combined resiliency and firepower (10" blast and 5" demo cannon, 2 lascannons and 3 HB's versus 3 battlecannons and 3 lascannons for or 3 BC's and 9 HB's for roughly the same points) but can be combined against as a single target. If someone tries taking two in 1500pts, they'd have only a third of their points left for Troops, HQ, AA, transports, etc, which would leave the army easily defeated, and three would be impossible. BB's aren't the ridiculous titans with D weaponry that are typically severly undercosted, they're just basically a Leman Russ X3.