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 Vladsimpaler wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Just pre-ordered the day 1 BONE

Whatever for?

He has a voyeurism fetish obviously. Why anyone in their right mind would ever buy something that could potentially cost you more money by making you purchase additional user licenses to watch a movie with a large group of people is beyond me.

This literally made me laugh out loud.

I read it again, and I'm still laughing.

 Starfarer wrote:

They should accept the inevitable. Everyone considers iTunes a normal concept but it was revolutionary 10 years ago.

I don't consider the DRM and intrusive nature of iTunes to be normal. In fact, it's one of the major reasons why I avoid using the program.

No one complains they don't own the movies they watch on Netflix.

Because no one is paying to buy movies on Netflix.

No one seems to realize sharing your game library with 10 people online is a lot easier than handing one disc over to a friend physically.

But the Xbone is moving to stop people from handing discs over to friends physically.

No one talks about how Steam has been running a similar system for ages with no possibility for sharing, and how publishers can offer lower prices and massive sale through that platform.

I can still play my steam games when the internet goes out. I don't need to get my wrist stamped every 24 hours to play my games on Steam.

It is the publishers who set those prices, not Steam, so it is very likely that Xbox will have similar price stratgies with their authentication in place for developers.

Similarly to all the huge sales they've had previously on their current online store, right?

The lack of internet connectivity worldwide is not my concern.

It's not mine either. But it sure as hell should be Microsoft's.

Bottom line, it the product isn't suited for you, it doesn't mean people that can use it should not have access to it because there are people who don't.

Except that that technology doesn't actually benefit you in any way, and only goes to hurt other (formerly) potential consumers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Meanwhile, in a place where comsumers might not come first but are at least respected:

Region free PS4!
Freedom to trade/sell/keep/break games at will.
No mandated activation or authentication!
And no camera that's watching you all the time that you cannot unplug.

Wrong thread.

 Starfarer wrote:
Everyone considers iTunes a normal concept but it was revolutionary 10 years ago. No one complains they don't own the movies they watch on Netflix.

That's because Netflix is a rental service. People do complain about the limitations put in place on iTunes downloads. Quite a lot of people don't use iTunes as a result of those limitations. Just as quite a lot of peope will baulk at having an always-on video camera permanently connected to the internet in their loungeroom.

Being a new way of doing things doesn't automatically make something a good way of doing things.

No one seems to realize sharing your game library with 10 people online is a lot easier than handing one disc over to a friend physically.

Unless, of course, what you are trying to do is play a game at your friend's house...

iTunes is revolutionary.

It's also a virus.

 insaniak wrote:

Unless, of course, what you are trying to do is play a game at your friend's house...

Sign into your profile?

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Unless, of course, what you are trying to do is play a game at your friend's house...

Sign into your profile?

What if his internet is temporarily out?

 warboss wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Unless, of course, what you are trying to do is play a game at your friend's house...

Sign into your profile?

What if his internet is temporarily out?

Uh, go get a beer? Some food?

feth if I know.

I have no friends, so I never go to anyone's house to play video games.

Well, at least if you go get a beer, you'll have a $60 coaster to rest it on since you can't use the disc for much else.

 warboss wrote:
Well, at least if you go get a beer, you'll have a $60 coaster to rest it on since you can't use the disc for much else.

Yep, probably going to buy all my games digitally.

Can't wait to not have to deal with discs, just like PC however many years ago we moved on from having discs in the PC to play.

I think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill over this online every 24hrs thing. I would say that it would practically effect very few people here. Yes I know if you are in the armed forces or a student it will affect you but you can't please all the people all the time.

I suspect that, due to the nature of companies and capitalist economies, microsoft and game publishers will try to eat their cake and have it too. They'll impose restrictions similar to steam that curb customer digital rights for the products they buy (or specifically don't buy as they're selling "licenses" to play now instead of games) but they likely won't be willing to offer the types of deals they do on steam ($40-50 new AAA titles releases with massive price drops in the first year after release and then massive sales 1-2 years after that). They pretty much forced to on PC because of the ease of piracy but that won't be the case with the walled gardens of console ecosystems (especially with these new restrictions).

overtyrant wrote:
I think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill over this online every 24hrs thing. I would say that it would practically effect very few people here. Yes I know if you are in the armed forces or a student it will affect you but you can't please all the people all the time.

Well, I think most people who are annoyed by this requirement are annoyed more by the principle of it than the idea that it is actually going to be a bother on a daily basis. It is the principle of the unneccesary restriction placed on us for no real reason that I find annoying. And what about the people who live in places that have unreliable internet? they will not buy an xdone just for that restriction... so MS is giving up potential money in order to ....... what? assert its "authouriti" over the masses? I suppose you think most people are making too much of the PRISM thing that is going on here in the US too.... The fact is, that there is no practical reason to require the 24 hr check in thing in order for the system to even function... it is ridiculous

 caledoneus wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
I think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill over this online every 24hrs thing. I would say that it would practically effect very few people here. Yes I know if you are in the armed forces or a student it will affect you but you can't please all the people all the time.

Well, I think most people who are annoyed by this requirement are annoyed more by the principle of it than the idea that it is actually going to be a bother on a daily basis. It is the principle of the unneccesary restriction placed on us for no real reason that I find annoying. And what about the people who live in places that have unreliable internet? they will not buy an xdone just for that restriction... so MS is giving up potential money in order to ....... what? assert its "authouriti" over the masses? I suppose you think most people are making too much of the PRISM thing that is going on here in the US too.... The fact is, that there is no practical reason to require the 24 hr check in thing in order for the system to even function... it is ridiculous

You already get a DLC check any time you're playing an online game. When I play any of my 360 games--I have a brief DLC check while it 'authenticates' if I'm on Live.

I'm not sure why the idea of "unreliable internet" gets brought up. Is your internet so unreliable that it goes out for days at a time?
The point that was brought up about armed forces is a valid one, and I was surprised to see Microsoft take the "Too Bad" approach as they've seemingly done well with armed forces members playing while on deployment.

Why do you even bring PRISM into this?

Prism/"THE CLOUD" means unlimited dedicated servers to me, as worded by a developer of Titanfall.

So, yea, it sounds great.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm not sure why the idea of "unreliable internet" gets brought up. Is your internet so unreliable that it goes out for days at a time?

My internet goes out for hours if there is a heavy rainstorm. No big deal right... it's only a few hours, right? What if I didn't turn on my xbox the day before because I had a long shift and was tired? Now my xbone hasn't phoned home for over 30 hours and the day I am actually free I can't use it for anything game related even if NONE of the games I want to play actually need the internet. It's not just people who have internet that is out for days at a time frequently that this DRM check it system screws over. Unless you turn on your xbox every single day, even a temporary outage of a few hours can ruin an evening that you *thought* you could use to finish off a game. The 24 hour check is nothing more than forced and heavy handed DRM with no real justifiable in game reason to exist.

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm not sure why the idea of "unreliable internet" gets brought up. Is your internet so unreliable that it goes out for days at a time?

My internet goes out for hours if there is a heavy rainstorm. No big deal right... it's only a few hours, right? What if I didn't turn on my xbox the day before because I had a long shift and was tired? Now my xbone hasn't phoned home for over 30 hours and the day I am actually free I can't use it for anything game related even if NONE of the games I want to play actually need the internet. It's not just people who have internet that is out for days at a time frequently that this DRM check it system screws over. Unless you turn on your xbox every single day, even a temporary outage of a few hours can ruin an evening that you *thought* you could use to finish off a game. The 24 hour check is nothing more than forced and heavy handed DRM with no real justifiable in game reason to exist.

THIS....

Your Xbox may do a DLC check now, but if your net is out, it can still play the game. The XBone though, if your net is out for whatever reason (weather, technical difficulties, lines down, whatever) your wonderful new system is a $500 brick until it comes back... that is the point

 caledoneus wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm not sure why the idea of "unreliable internet" gets brought up. Is your internet so unreliable that it goes out for days at a time?

My internet goes out for hours if there is a heavy rainstorm. No big deal right... it's only a few hours, right? What if I didn't turn on my xbox the day before because I had a long shift and was tired? Now my xbone hasn't phoned home for over 30 hours and the day I am actually free I can't use it for anything game related even if NONE of the games I want to play actually need the internet. It's not just people who have internet that is out for days at a time frequently that this DRM check it system screws over. Unless you turn on your xbox every single day, even a temporary outage of a few hours can ruin an evening that you *thought* you could use to finish off a game. The 24 hour check is nothing more than forced and heavy handed DRM with no real justifiable in game reason to exist.

THIS....

Your Xbox may do a DLC check now, but if your net is out, it can still play the game. The XBone though, if your net is out for whatever reason (weather, technical difficulties, lines down, whatever) your wonderful new system is a $500 brick until it comes back... that is the point

Exactly there are circumstances beyond our control. I live in an area with really bad weather in the fall and the Internet is one of the first things to go. I'd like to be able to play my 500$ system during that half of the year (winters often bad too)

A concern I haven't heard yet is what happens after xbone? Like as in the next gen console for xbox after the one?

When the servers shut down will you lose access to everything you..umm... rented the license that allowed to you borrow it off the internet temporarily every 24 hours so you could play the game you didn't actually own?

at least with the PS4, I probably wont have to worry about that in the future, just like I dont worry about it with my ps3, xbox360, ps2, ps-x, gameboy, etc, you get the idea

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm not sure why the idea of "unreliable internet" gets brought up. Is your internet so unreliable that it goes out for days at a time?

My internet goes out for hours if there is a heavy rainstorm. No big deal right... it's only a few hours, right? What if I didn't turn on my xbox the day before because I had a long shift and was tired? Now my xbone hasn't phoned home for over 30 hours and the day I am actually free I can't use it for anything game related even if NONE of the games I want to play actually need the internet. It's not just people who have internet that is out for days at a time frequently that this DRM check it system screws over. Unless you turn on your xbox every single day, even a temporary outage of a few hours can ruin an evening that you *thought* you could use to finish off a game. The 24 hour check is nothing more than forced and heavy handed DRM with no real justifiable in game reason to exist.

We really have no idea how the 'check in' even works, other than its once every 24 hours. Personally, I think that is too often, and I'm not a fan.

It could 'start counting' once you starting playing, if it 'checked in' before you last turned your box off. It is not necessarily every day at 2am, or something like that. We have no idea how it is structured other than 'per 24 hours'. It is not well done, regardless.

This is purely to accommodate for discs(really edge case gak too, which is dumb); I personally think they should have just gone 100% digital, but of course retailers wouldn't want to play in that case.

 Starfarer wrote:


MS is moving console gaming forward

Dear lord. You are either trolling, working for Microsoft or blindly loving anything they do. Noone with a sane mind would even consider their actions moving anything forward.

I don't personally see the problem with have the 24 hour check other than the "THE MAN, HE JUST WANTS TO CHECK ON ME ALL THE TIME"

For the most part people are going to have some for of Internet available to them. Heck i can turn my phone into a wireless network hub for 5 devices, and share my 4g. Nothing stopping you hooking up the xbox to your phone for a quick DRM check.

The arguments. for " what about people in countrys without internet" If they don't even have internet in there country they most probably don't even know what an xbox is anyway.

It is a quick check for the most part anybody buying a £400 Xbone is going to have a stable internet connection, trouble with your internet? go outside and do something.

i am not a fan of Xbox, but some of the reasons for hating it are stupid.

The main reason and only reason i think the xbox will be hated is for the non sharing aspect of it. ( and to comment on someones post about steam doesn't let you share, yes it does. you can swap and sell games on steam now. heck you can even sell achievements you have earned on steam now for some reason)

 Comrade wrote:
A concern I haven't heard yet is what happens after xbone? Like as in the next gen console for xbox after the one?

Next generation, turning on your Xbox will alert Microsoft HQ. They will then send a representative to your house, who will sit and watch you while you play, and you can't play til he gets there. You are required to provide him with a sandwich and a beverage of his choice. If he sees you playing a borrowed game, he poops in the disc drive.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:

 Comrade wrote:
A concern I haven't heard yet is what happens after xbone? Like as in the next gen console for xbox after the one?

Next generation, turning on your Xbox will alert Microsoft HQ. They will then send a representative to your house, who will sit and watch you while you play, and you can't play til he gets there. You are required to provide him with a sandwich and a beverage of his choice. If he sees you playing a borrowed game, he poops in the disc drive.

This is current-gen. Replace "representative" with Kinect

You have to give the kinect a sandwich and a beverage?

Yes! That's the reason why the Xbone is so incredibly bully despite having the same hardware as the PS4: it has a fully functionable digestion replacement inside that requires not only energy to run, but also sandwiches and liquor.

And presumably means it could poop in the disk drive for playing a borrowed game.

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, the xbox 360 and PS3 were coming out, people took sides and said Xbox is better, NO PS3 is better.

None of that mattered as both systems were successful to this present day.

Buy which one you want better and leave it at that,

Personally i'm buying both because I can

Before the xbox 360 and PS3 launched it was super annoying when the fan boys took to eachothers throats.


It's a freaking gaming console get over it.

Friend of mine's been having problems with his phone lines. He can't even make a call out, let alone use his internet. He'd have a very expensive black brick in his house if he had an XBone. If he had a PS4, he could play it to his heart's delight.

 cerbrus2 wrote:

For the most part people are going to have some for of Internet available to them. Heck i can turn my phone into a wireless network hub for 5 devices, and share my 4g. Nothing stopping you hooking up the xbox to your phone for a quick DRM check.

The arguments. for " what about people in countrys without internet" If they don't even have internet in there country they most probably don't even know what an xbox is anyway.

It is a quick check for the most part anybody buying a £400 Xbone is going to have a stable internet connection, trouble with your internet? go outside and do something.

i am not a fan of Xbox, but some of the reasons for hating it are stupid.

Be a good fellow and mail me your phone then for free because the US phone plan and phone I use can't do that. As for "countrys without internet", don't be obtuse. I just gave a normal and common first world example of not being able to play your games because of a few hours weather related outage simply because of the ridiculous 24 hour DRM check. If it's rained enough that my internet goes out, what should I exactly go do outside? LARP the singing in the rain dance number? The reasons people don't like the choices microsoft are making with the xbone are not stupid but rather rooted in consumer rights that microsoft is unilaterally taking away with no recompense.


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 pities2004 wrote:

It's a freaking gaming console get over it.

That's part of the issues alot of gamers are having with it... it's not primarily a "gaming console" anymore. It's a fancy cable box that doesn't have DVR functionality and a highdef webcam that you can't turn off while the console is on... that happens to play games. Core gamers are the demographic that MS seems to be pissing off whereas the soccer mom crowd that would be into the cable and social features they intro'ed the xbone with are frankly not going to buy the machine for $500 upon release.

As for the console wars comments, I am for all intents and purposes an xbox fanboy as I have ONLY owned xbox consoles for the past 10 years. I only want one gaming machine taking up space under my TV and I'm very disappointed that MS is screwing this up so badly for the customers who have supported them for so long.