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**daedalus-templarius**

Fafnir wrote:
I'm going to imagine that for a lot of console gamers, Halo was their first FPS.

I'm old, so it definitely wasn't mine hah.

DOOOOOOOOMMMM

**pities2004**

Doom used to scare the crap out of me when I was a kid

**Sigvatr**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
As I said above: I don't want to say whether it was a good or bad game. I had fun playing the games. I just do not see why Halo gets praised whereas CoD gets looked down upon.

Its the internet.

There are plenty of people who love both. Don't get so caught up in one group 'looking down' on some game.

I think COD is fine, but I'm not crazy about it.

Ah, okay, thanks! Yeah, I also enjoyed both games. I preferred Halo for its over-arching story ark and CoD for its cinematic presentation. Just thought there was something "super special" about the games I missed.

I heard mixed opinions on Halo 4, some friends of ours did not like the alien stuff in it. Got an idea of the overall perception of it? Worse, as good, better than the previous ones?

/e: feth yeah, Doom. Still a very solid game. Preferred Hexen / Heretic, I was more into fantasy stuff when I was younger. Blood for it being badass.

**MandalorynOranj**

I said this a few pages back, but for me Halo's appeal is it's engaging universe and (from my perspective) good storyline. I've read almost all of the books, and it's just a cool world.

**Just Dave**

For me, Halo (1) was far from the first shooter I've ever played, but I'd quite confidently say it's the best (that or Half Life 1/2). Foremost, it's just damn good fun. I've had few gaming experiences more fun than bombing round in a Warthog with a friend; online or single player, or in Halo 1, 2, or 3. Add to that the excellent game-play, with interesting and varied weaponry, as well as similarly interesting and characterful enemies, and the general FPS-aspect of it has a lot going for it. The application of Spartan-armour makes it even more fun too: enabling you to go charging in there, taking hits and bashing heads (something that really suits my playstyle). The Marines are fun, levels varied, AI impressive, vehicles balanced, and the multiplayer possibly the best I've experienced.
On top of this, I feel it has a great atmosphere and an even greater storyline. The idea of the covenant, the twist of the flood, the betrayal of Guilty Spark, it was all great. The books really added to this too.

So yeah, for me, it was the gameplay, the soundtrack, the story and the overall ridiculous amounts of fun that made Halo great, IMHO.

Halo 2 and 3 were worse (almost inevitably so), but they were still good games in a great universe. Halo ODST is a seriously under-estimated game IMHO; possessing a really immersive atmosphere and sensation of loneliness that I've never seen matched, as well as another brilliant soundtrack. Halo 4, however, was disappointing for me.

Edit: Oooph, Hexen, that was great! Doom too, but such fond memories of Hexen and Heretic.

**daedalus-templarius**

Sigvatr wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
As I said above: I don't want to say whether it was a good or bad game. I had fun playing the games. I just do not see why Halo gets praised whereas CoD gets looked down upon.

Its the internet.

There are plenty of people who love both. Don't get so caught up in one group 'looking down' on some game.

I think COD is fine, but I'm not crazy about it.

Ah, okay, thanks! Yeah, I also enjoyed both games. I preferred Halo for its over-arching story ark and CoD for its cinematic presentation. Just thought there was something "super special" about the games I missed.

I heard mixed opinions on Halo 4, some friends of ours did not like the alien stuff in it. Got an idea of the overall perception of it? Worse, as good, better than the previous ones?

/e: feth yeah, Doom. Still a very solid game. Preferred Hexen / Heretic, I was more into fantasy stuff when I was younger. Blood for it being badass.

I personally really enjoyed the story arc of Halo 4, of course I also read all the books and am a total lore nut (for whatever I'm into really, encyclopedic knowledge of 40k and all that). If you don't pay attention, and don't watch the terminals (which are sort of hidden, terrible idea, AND you have to watch them on the internet instead of 'in-game'), its hard to grasp what is going on outside of the Master Chief/Cortana drama, that is pretty easy to grab.

The gameplay is good, and I really enjoy the multiplayer, but the new enemy class I don't think set the world on fire. It certainly looks cool, but feels like more of a chore to fight sometimes(knights); I much prefer fighting the Covenant that we've been fighting for 3 other games, heh. The levels don't feel as "sandbox-y" to me as Halo 3, but I think they pushed the graphical fidelity (its very pretty!) instead of making a larger world like in 3 (when everyone bitched it was Sub-HD). In the end, it plays a bit more like Halo 2, than Halo 3, in that it is quite corridor-y instead of the larger sandbox feel of 3 and CE; IMO.

I understand it was a new team and all, and I'd say they made a solid Halo game, but not the best; which is still 3 in terms of campaign. The multiplayer right now is pretty great though, definitely better than 3 (omg that horribly inconsistent battle rifle)! If you have a team and can vote on the gametypes and maps you WANT to play, its probably the best Halo so far.

As an aside, Halo has been very formative for me as an artist; the graphical style really left an impression on me. I also own just about every Halo art book that exists.

Oh, and I LOVE Heretic and Hexen. SO GOOD.gif

**Necroshea**

Sigvatr wrote:
Honest question: why are people or rather certain people so manic about Halo 5? I played all Halos except of Halo 4 and they all felt like your everyday shooter with a few cutscenes slapped on.

CoD gets a lot of hate for it being virtually the same in every iteration and I don't see why Halo is, according to its fans, so much different.

I wouldn't say Halo was my first memorable fps (that goes to blood...or hexen), but I loved the first one immensely. Then the second one dropped, which had a bunch of neat new features (like dual wielding). Then after that it just seemed like with every new game it was just the same rehashed game over and over again. The last Halo game I slightly enjoyed while starting to feel mentally tired of the game was ODST. Reach was horrifically boring, and halo 4 was just a big fat wad of meh.

Funny thing is CoD is kind of the same, but it got a little better for me as it become more cinematic.

But yeah, practically identical in how they turned out (and continue to do so), yet halo is lauded as the greatest thing since air while CoD has a reserved spot in the darkest pits of hell. Makes no sense.

**KamikazeCanuck**

I was pleasently surprised by Halo 4. I thought it was quite good.

**mega_bassist**

Can't afford an Xbox One? Don't have stable internet? Buy a 360!

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/microsoft-gamers-no-internet-buy-360-172308365.html

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Poor Public Relations

**daedalus-templarius**

Necroshea wrote:

But yeah, practically identical in how they turned out (and continue to do so), yet halo is lauded as the greatest thing since air while CoD has a reserved spot in the darkest pits of hell. Makes no sense.

Really, it totally depends on the community you are interacting with.

This is extremely hyperbolic, and if you talk to an actual person instead of the internets that has played both, they probably wouldn't respond in such a way as you described.

**SilverMK2**

Fafnir wrote:
I'm going to imagine that for a lot of console gamers, Halo was their first FPS.

It was my first FPS on a console... I came to consoles later on in life and skipped out everything pre-xbox

**Necroshea**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Necroshea wrote:

But yeah, practically identical in how they turned out (and continue to do so), yet halo is lauded as the greatest thing since air while CoD has a reserved spot in the darkest pits of hell. Makes no sense.

Really, it totally depends on the community you are interacting with.

This is extremely hyperbolic, and if you talk to an actual person instead of the internets that has played both, they probably wouldn't respond in such a way as you described.

Funny thing about assuming is that you can be pretty wrong in your assessment.

My experience comes from my time on xbox live and psn talking to friends. Continue thinking you know where I draw my experience from if you wish though.

**daedalus-templarius**

Well, I'm sorry your friends are equivalent to the caricatures on the internet.

Mine are not. They like games, and don't like games; that's about it.

**Necroshea**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Well, I'm sorry your friends are equivalent to the caricatures on the internet.

Mine are not. They like games, and don't like games; that's about it.

Sorry that you feel like you have to demean people you don't even know. Point is your assumption is wrong.

**xole**

mega_bassist wrote:
Can't afford an Xbox One? Don't have stable internet? Buy a 360!

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/microsoft-gamers-no-internet-buy-360-172308365.html

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Poor Public Relations

I read that article earlier. I try really hard to like microsoft. I really do. I've even forgiven them for Windows 8, mainly because the alternative is still apple. But they totally failed this time and my wallet will show it.

daedalus-templarius wrote:Well, I'm sorry your friends are equivalent to the caricatures on the internet.

Mine are not. They like games, and don't like games; that's about it.

That was rather rude.

**daedalus-templarius**

I wasn't really trying to be rude.

I guess I just haven't really met anyone in person that has such vitriolic and hyperbolic opinions about video games!

Usually they like them, or they don't; they aren't going to start telling me they are the worst thing that has ever existed on the planet.

That just seems really odd. Sorry if I seemed rude, it wasn't my intention.

**MandalorynOranj**

Halo 4 was a little meh to me. I agree with daedalus about the Prometheans being pretty boring or tedious to fight, they all seemed rather same-y. Even though there were about the same number of Covenant enemy types, they still had more weapons, more color variety, and much more character. The environments weren't anything groundbreaking either, 3 is definitely my favorite, followed by Reach.

**daedalus-templarius**

I actually thought the environments(visually) in 4 were pretty breathtaking, followed by 3's environments.

Reach's were very much in a different vein visually, much more 'grounded' instead of crazy Forerunner structures, etc.

**MandalorynOranj**

Yeah they were pretty but they all sort of started to blur together by the end. I can remember a couple of places from it but mostly just the ones where I died a whole bunch, nothing that just stood out to me as much as some from 3 or Reach. That could just be because I've played those a lot more, though, now that I think about it haha.

**Kanluwen**

To be honest, the single player of Halo 4 did not really "wow" me like the earlier entries did.

I think that was more because of the fact that they decided it to be an "artificial world" that looked like an artificial world.
The Spartan Ops/Multiplayer though? Those were some gorgeous locales.

**Ahtman**

I think Titan Fall is going to be the deciding factor for me between a PS4 and Xbone.

I'm sorry, this isn't about Halo, I'll try harder next time.

**Kanluwen**

"Titanfall" has definitely been a big decision for me.

Alongside of getting to play BF4 with some buddies of mine, to continue our reign of shenanigans from BF3.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Halo got one thing right in my mind above all others, and its not the thing you'd think was a gelling factor but in mind its certainly a key consideration. The music.

The score of that game has a habit of pulling you in, and it set the bar as far as I'm concerned for music in shooters that many others have followed since combat evolved.

On top of that the story, while not going to win any originality awards, is constant and enjoyable, and the rapport between Cortana and Chief is maintained well throughout the series with some stand out lines of dialogue between them.

Game play wise, Halo introduced some concepts that where not the norm before it, but its really not above any other shooter out there, its the music and the strongly crafted tale that brings fans back again and again.

If either of those things do nothing for you.. that why you don't get why it has so many fans.

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**wowsmash**

That's how I feel about halo as well. It's why I'm really looking forward to destiny. Love bungie.

**Kanluwen**

So, Phil Spencer has put out something a bit more regarding the "check in".

Microsoft's Phil Spencer discussed a few advantages that come with having a fully connected gaming console, including games like Titanfall that do such a good job of mixing single- and multiplayer design and gameplay. Like Microsoft's materials state, everyone who has an Xbox One has a broadband connection, or at least that's the assumption. If you don't have a good online connection, you're not the target market.

This is a fairly radical thing for a company aiming for a wide audience to try; as many Americans without solid internet connections will be excluded. Or at least until we improve the online infrastructure in the United States. Still, they're planning for the internet to go out from time to time, hence the 24-hour time period you can play between checking in with Microsoft.

“We know the internet is not infallible, that’s why we put a system in place that if you lose your connection for a period of time, your offline games will continue to work,” Spencer said. “We have no way of simulating online multiplayer without a connection, but the games that are offline will continue to work, because we understand that there can be faults, but really the box is built as a digitally native, connected device.”

No internet, no go. But that check in process only takes a tiny amount of data, so if things go bad you can always re-authorize your games with… your phone? I asked about the size of the files needed to keep the console working.

“I’ve been asked this a number of times, so we should probably get some clarity out there. You should think about this on the order of kilobytes and not megabytes, in terms of the update check,” Spencer said. “In fact you can do it on your phone, you can tether your phone to the box if you’re just going to update. You’re probably not going to play multiplayer Titanfall through your phone, or stream a Netflix movie through your phone, but if you think about the update cycle, and to make sure the content you have is available to you, that update is a kilobyte-type transaction, very small.”

So it sounds like you don't have to worry about the daily update hurting your data cap, and the process will take only a short time even on slow devices. This is a problem, and solution, that's pretty futuristic. If your next-gen console doesn't work because your internet is down, use your pocket computer's connection.

Or, you know, Microsoft could remove the check, or do it weekly. Or monthly. Or not at all. Just throwing out a simpler solution.

**Minx**

So it seems the 24h between (drm) checks is actually an advantage compared to the traditional drm check right before any usage, ie. starting a game.

**Soladrin**

Minx wrote:
So it seems the 24h between (drm) checks is actually an advantage compared to the traditional drm check right before any usage, ie. starting a game.

Especialy considering that this should do away with all the old DRM they have tried for consoles, which IMO was always more of a hassle anyway.

Not that fussed over the used games thing either, the only reason I ever buy a used game is when I can't find a new copy, now with it all going digital on day 1 too, I don't have any reason to even bother buying used games.

The sole reason I'm not getting Xbox One (or at least untill I get some proper info on it's implementation) is the Kinect being mandatory. I don't want the thing in my house, I don't want to pay for something I have no intention of using and I don't like having that gak forced on me. So unless they release a version without it I probably won't get the xbox one.

**Perkustin**

I will almost certainly get Titanfall for the 360. Assuming the port doesn't absolutely gut the mechanics. I can deal with dipping framerate, less particle effects, smaller maps and smaller player counts.

**warboss**

Or, you know, Microsoft could remove the check, or do it weekly. Or monthly. Or not at all. Just throwing out a simpler solution.

I do understand the need for a checkin type system if they're getting rid of some (but not all) of the other DRM types but the 24hr time period is just a needless hassle that is too potentially inconvienent. Didn't play my xbox yesterday, internet goes out today for a few hours = can't play anything at all.... that's unacceptable. While a weekly or monthly check wouldn't help people that are permanently without internet for long periods of time, at least weekly checks would largely get rid of inconvienencing players with fickle internet service or a temporary outage beyond their control. If they did that and added backward compatibility, I'd gripe about the remaining stuff but at least would be on board for the xbone.

Barring any bad gameplay videos and shocking announcements, I expect to get Titanfall for the 360 despite it being the inferior tech version. I did read though that they're farming out the 360 port ot a secondary company with all the risks that may entail.

**Minx**

A weekly drm check is probably not acceptable by the publishers.

Didn't play my xbox yesterday, internet goes out today for a few hours = can't play anything at all

It's most likely enough for the machine to connect to the internet on its own during some kind of standby mode. No need to actually play a game every 24 hours for the check to pass. So, if you have an internet outage you can play for another 24 hours starting from the outage instead of being forced to stare at the trying to reach drm server screen (inside that 24h window).
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