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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
You're adorable.

Why is he adoreable? Is he wrong?

We get it daed, you're a big X-Box fan and have been excusing/apologising for the shortcomings of the system since it was first announced. None of us can really figure out why you took this tact, choosing to defend ludicrious decisions like 24-hour check-ins and no trading games and whatnot, making it out as if these problems were minor, but at the end of the day we had one system offering all of these restrictions and one offering none, and you've chosen to laugh and ridicule those that don't want those restrictions.

And now Microsoft backtracks heavily with a massive mea culpa, and you're still laughing at those who disagreed with you?

No, I never defended their policies; as a matter of fact I thought they were foolish; I mean, other than the 10 person sharing circle. I thought Sony had a great E3, and I think their system looks quite solid; I personally want them BOTH to have success, because good competition is good for us.

I am making light of the fact he claims we should be falling to our knees and kissing Sony's feet for delivering us from the EVIL EMPIRE of M$.

I'm laughing because of the language used in here, and how ridiculous it is.

"THANK SONY, THEY SAVED GAMERS"

"TOO LITTLE M$, YOU LOSE THIS GENERATION"

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, this is just a tiny microcosm of the internet outrage machine.

So don't tell me I'm defending gak when I'm not, thanks. Just because I haven't been RAILING against said policies publicly, doesn't mean I don't like them.

Is it just me or is daedalus just being ignored by most people. It is funny how this is the strange thing that is happening to Microsoft right now. Daedalus and MS are making good points - just no one wants to listen to them for some reason...

 Vivster wrote:
Is it just me or is daedalus just being ignored by most people. It is funny how this is the strange thing that is happening to Microsoft right now. Daedalus and MS are making good points - just no one wants to listen to them for some reason...

nop, COD fanbody babby

real talk: Thankfully after this move, people in Portugal(and plenty of other countries that weren't going to be included at launch) can actually get an xbox because their crazy region locks and absurd 24hr checkin/always on is gone. A fellow on another forum I frequent mentioned this.

Of course, this also leaves the question, can Microsoft be trusted to continue down this road in the future?

You could ask the same thing regarding Sony. I don't trust either of them in general, they'd both like the used games market to die, and it probably will next generation, if not by the end of this one.

One of my biggest issues over the whole E3 situation. was Sony making cheap points with no substance, when their prior actions and murmuring indicate they'd love to do exactly the same thing Microsoft was proposing.

Because of the overwhelmingly negative and vocal reaction to the xbone's DRM (among many other things), you can *NOW* sell used games. Now if only they'd add in backward compatibility, I'd get one and just put up with KinectHAL.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sony could have gone the same way M$ did. They decided not to. Without that decision, we'd have ridiculous DRM restrictions on consoles now.

Then you should thank Microsoft. The internet's reaction to the Xbone helped them make their decision to not do similiar things they were mulling over.

Sony forced Microsoft to take that step. Microsoft did not give a single pooh about gamers. They wanted to treat them like trash. Force them into DRM hell. Only buy full-price limited licenses. And then? Sony slapped them in their face...from left to right. And what did Microsoft do? They pulled a 180. They gently bent over.

In the end, thanking Sony alone isn't true either. They simply took advantage of how poorly M$ understands the market. It's Sony's decision and, most of all, the massive uproar by the gamers. Special thanks to the guys at the Sony E3 conference. I'd imagine M$ CEOs raging when they saw it.

This....

Microsoft, --- owned....

Thank you Sony!

Well that at least has changed my mind from no purchase to purchase later on down the road. Depending on how the system performs.

It wasn't to clear on the kinect though. Is it still mandatory or optional now?

 wowsmash wrote:
Well that at least has changed my mind from no purchase to purchase later on down the road. Depending on how the system performs.

It wasn't to clear on the kinect though. Is it still mandatory or optional now?

KGB Kinect is still mandatory. Only the online check-in and selling of used games has changed from my quick reading. Still no backward compatibility as well.

Keep in mind that the Kinect's HAL functions are less of an issue if you don't have to connect to the internet.

Perkustin wrote:This is altogether a great development. Glad Microsoft did the right thing.

I still don't particularly want one though, that big lump with a camera on it still strikes me as a waste of money. I don't really enjoy music/rhythm games, which are the only things that kinect can enrich. I also still think the future of games according to Sony is brighter.

Rail Shooters / Lightgun games (which I would love to see some more of on the xbox tbh)
I feel that console Real Time Strategies would benefit from a Kinect interface aswell, but again, haven't seen anyone try that.
Potentially a classic style RPG would work nicely too.
We have more than enough disjointed activity games.

Also, while not to my (or probabley your) taste (though to my fiancees) - those cutsey puke animal games like Kinectimals work pretty well with it.
Oh - and there's fitness things too.

And a lot of games that don't benefit from a pure kinect interface, can benefit from a partial one. i.e. Voice Commands, or even certain gestures for in game actions.

Happy they removed the Region lock... rest.. yeah, didn't really care about that anyway.

I am amused by the praise of sony though. They didn't do anything, they didn't change anything, they are just keeping the system we have now (which at it's core is broken too).

I still have small spattering of respect for MS for at least trying to jumpstart the full digital way of doing thins, sad they messed it up though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Keep in mind that the Kinect's HAL functions are less of an issue if you don't have to connect to the internet.

Plus if their earlier statements about the settings for the thing are still to be believed, you can completely turn the Kinect off, even the "listening for you to say Xbox on" mode. Unfortunately, that then leaves you with a small brick you payed 100 dollars for...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Keep in mind that the Kinect's HAL functions are less of an issue if you don't have to connect to the internet.

True, hadn't thought of that. If I got one, my plan was to leave the entire thing unplugged from the power source when not being used (both xbox and kinect).

If you're that worried can't you just put a piece of duct tape over it? Or anything actually.

I shall design and sell a piece that clips over the Kinect, with a flap that covers the lenses, I'll make a killing!

Guess what guys.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/tech/gaming-gadgets/xbox-drm/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Microsoft backtracks on Xbox One sharing policies

All disc-based games can be played without ever connecting online, and the 24-hour connection requirement has been dropped, according to an update to a May post concerning questions about the new device, due to be released this fall.

Additionally, there will be no limitations to using and sharing games, Don Mattrick, president of the Interactive Entertainment Business division, says in the post. People will be able to share, trade or resell their games in the same way they do for Xbox 360 games


Now people can only get upset about the price difference

 pities2004 wrote:
Guess what guys.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/tech/gaming-gadgets/xbox-drm/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Microsoft backtracks on Xbox One sharing policies

All disc-based games can be played without ever connecting online, and the 24-hour connection requirement has been dropped, according to an update to a May post concerning questions about the new device, due to be released this fall.

Additionally, there will be no limitations to using and sharing games, Don Mattrick, president of the Interactive Entertainment Business division, says in the post. People will be able to share, trade or resell their games in the same way they do for Xbox 360 games


Now people can only get upset about the price difference

Yep, saw that a few hours ago.

Xbone is now Xown?


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 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
You're adorable.

Why is he adoreable? Is he wrong?

We get it daed, you're a big X-Box fan and have been excusing/apologising for the shortcomings of the system since it was first announced. None of us can really figure out why you took this tact, choosing to defend ludicrious decisions like 24-hour check-ins and no trading games and whatnot, making it out as if these problems were minor, but at the end of the day we had one system offering all of these restrictions and one offering none, and you've chosen to laugh and ridicule those that don't want those restrictions.

And now Microsoft backtracks heavily with a massive mea culpa, and you're still laughing at those who disagreed with you?

No, I never defended their policies; as a matter of fact I thought they were foolish; I mean, other than the 10 person sharing circle. I thought Sony had a great E3, and I think their system looks quite solid; I personally want them BOTH to have success, because good competition is good for us.

I am making light of the fact he claims we should be falling to our knees and kissing Sony's feet for delivering us from the EVIL EMPIRE of M$.

I'm laughing because of the language used in here, and how ridiculous it is.

"THANK SONY, THEY SAVED GAMERS"

"TOO LITTLE M$, YOU LOSE THIS GENERATION"

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, this is just a tiny microcosm of the internet outrage machine.

So don't tell me I'm defending gak when I'm not, thanks. Just because I haven't been RAILING against said policies publicly, doesn't mean I don't like them.

He's not wrong, if you want to rage, go ahead and nerd rage but don't berate your fellow Dakkanauts

 pities2004 wrote:
Xbone is now Xown?


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 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
You're adorable.

Why is he adoreable? Is he wrong?

We get it daed, you're a big X-Box fan and have been excusing/apologising for the shortcomings of the system since it was first announced. None of us can really figure out why you took this tact, choosing to defend ludicrious decisions like 24-hour check-ins and no trading games and whatnot, making it out as if these problems were minor, but at the end of the day we had one system offering all of these restrictions and one offering none, and you've chosen to laugh and ridicule those that don't want those restrictions.

And now Microsoft backtracks heavily with a massive mea culpa, and you're still laughing at those who disagreed with you?

No, I never defended their policies; as a matter of fact I thought they were foolish; I mean, other than the 10 person sharing circle. I thought Sony had a great E3, and I think their system looks quite solid; I personally want them BOTH to have success, because good competition is good for us.

I am making light of the fact he claims we should be falling to our knees and kissing Sony's feet for delivering us from the EVIL EMPIRE of M$.

I'm laughing because of the language used in here, and how ridiculous it is.

"THANK SONY, THEY SAVED GAMERS"

"TOO LITTLE M$, YOU LOSE THIS GENERATION"

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, this is just a tiny microcosm of the internet outrage machine.

So don't tell me I'm defending gak when I'm not, thanks. Just because I haven't been RAILING against said policies publicly, doesn't mean I don't like them.

He's not wrong, if you want to rage, go ahead and nerd rage but don't berate your fellow Dakkanauts

edit: oh I see now.

 pities2004 wrote:

Now people can only get upset about the price difference

... and the incoherent and contradictory babble that is the "microsoft message" on other issues (like being banned and what happens to your licenses)... and forced kinect purchase and mandatory functioning during use... and no backward compatibility. While the used game and forced online checks were the *most* idiotic "features" about the Xbone to complain about, there are other things that are still important and onerous. The removal of those two horrible ideas is a big step but there still is a ways to go before I'm convinced to buy my third in a row MS console (not counting the 6 xboxes that broke).

 Ovion wrote:
I shall design and sell a piece that clips over the Kinect, with a flap that covers the lenses, I'll make a killing!

The Kinnect-Opaque-Obfuscating-Ornament was my idea! I want royalties!

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Ovion wrote:
I shall design and sell a piece that clips over the Kinect, with a flap that covers the lenses, I'll make a killing!

The Kinnect-Opaque-Obfuscating-Ornament was my idea! I want royalties!

Yours is ducktape, mine is fancy, and has a flap!
I win.

So it's now the xbox one-80. Because they just pulled a 180.

 Soladrin wrote:
So it's now the xbox one-80. Because they just pulled a 180.

I can't think of a bigger 180 in the last decade. The onlyother big 180° I can remember is the Sony <-> Nintendo CD console.

Im extremely thankful. Before I simply refused to by an XBox 1 EVER.

Now, one day in the future I will buy it. One day

http://videogamesawesome.com/2013/06/20/xbox-180-is-awesome/

I love the crew.

 Soladrin wrote:
So it's now the xbox one-80. Because they just pulled a 180.

Xbox one-80 I like it!

The policies were changed because of a systematic propaganda campaign on part of the consumer base.

Shows there's something to be said for internet movements. That Youtube video "Xbox One Reveal Highlights" probably did the greatest damage.

Anyway, everybody wins. Microsoft has another chance to crawl into the sunlight, consumer rights victory, great reopening of opportunity for developers and publishers that chose Xbox One exclusivity.

Maybe you guys could take notes when it comes to codex supplements and GW's online retailer policies. Or not. Your choice.

Propaganda?

And I doubt it was just the outcry. In fact, I doubt the outcry was biggest reason they changed. The pre-order disparity between the XBone and the PS4 was probably the biggest kick up the ass.