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Warhammer 40k really isn't cutting it for me, so I was wondering if fabtasy would be better since I play a ton on fantasy games and not a lot of sci fi games. Is there really a difference in the two games? Also I've Been looking at skaven how are they, and how do they play, are they expensive money wise to start a new army? Thank you for your time and hope to talk to you soon

It's a huge difference.

Skaven are extremely expensive to buy but are a Top Tier army right now due to hefty balance failures in teir army book. Skaven are extremely versatile and have very effective units for almost any purpose in the game along with potent magic and one of the strongest / most overpowered spells in the game in its current iteration.

Basically, you get what you pay for

There are some rather large differences between the two but the basic idea is the same. You still roll to hit, then to wound, then your armour saves.
The bigger differences are that shooting to hit rolls and armour saves will have modifiers instead of being a flat number, magic is it's own phase, the movement phase is probably the most important phase of the game, and most armies consider a unit of 10 guys to be quite small.

Skaven are a good army, they have a strong (but not really broken) book, they play by throwing 200 rats at your opponent and tying them up while your bigger stuff kills things, money wise.. they require a LOT of models (even by fantasy standards) but they are part of the starter kit so ebay will make it much cheaper.

Fantasy and 40k are different, but have the same base. Statline, turns, units, points and all. Though the new 40k edition does really seperate itself from past editions and Fantasy, especially with the new flyers rules and smaller type mini game type rules if you will.(Overwatch, Snapshot etc.)

Fantasy is far superior in my opinion. The armies are waay cooler I think, I wouldn't really have a problem playing as any of them, though the same cannot be said for 40k.

I agree though about Skaven, it really is a bang for your buck kind of army. You will have to buy a ton of stuff, but you probably will use it all every game and not lose very often.

Plus Skaven are extremely easy to play. Throw your troop-sponges at the enemy, shoot it, cast

They also have one of the best cannons in the game for a staggeringly cheap number of points...

Skaven are tremendously fun and they are OP once you figure them out.

IOB's are the best way to get core just buy a box then sell the high elves online or if you can get a friend to split the box.

Also As ted mentioned YOU want Hellpits, Warp lightning cannons and Doomwheels and a Grey Seer other than that everything is good

I got the 40k DV box traded dark angels for orks cuz I liked orks, would I beable to get a good army of skaven for all that?

ThoughtsTangled wrote:
I got the 40k DV box traded dark angels for orks cuz I liked orks, would I beable to get a good army of skaven for all that?

Sadly no. Getting models from the Island of Blood starter box is a great way to save money but the skaven army requires a LOT of models.

The best approach would be for you to borrow someones army book and make a list of 2k points or 2.5k points and calculate the number of models you need. Skaven are rather abundant on ebay and if you are patient it will save you a ton of money.

If you dont know about this skaven forum

http://underempire.net/?act=site

It is really a decent forum to get skaven advice from

I went to it but didn't know how to work it. Another question what's the adversary investment for a medium sized army

ThoughtsTangled wrote:
I went to it but didn't know how to work it. Another question what's the adversary investment for a medium sized army

Go back and at the top of the page click on the text that says "Forum Home". That should get you going.

I'm in the same boat as OP, except I've spent alot more money on warhams than he is.

Since it's kind of hard to try before you buy with this game, anyone know a good way of deciding what faction to play as? I currently run 40k Orks, but sadly the Fantasy Orcs seem kind of underwhelming.

Underwhelming in what sense?

Two things mainly.

Animosity seems terrible. I'm all for a bit of unpredictability, but that looks painful and I've seen lots of fantasy players bitch about it and one just up and drop the game because of it.

The other thing is that its lacking in the two areas where 40k Orks are really good; close combat and crazy contraptions.

Base one attack and base three strength... after playing around with Lizards I'm just not impressed. And their only contraption seemed to be the Doom Diver ~ very cool, but I'd have liked to see a few more like that.

I have looked at the Night Goblins though, they were a breath of fresh air. But I've kinda come to the conclusion that it looks like Skaven might do all the Orky stuff I wanted better than the Orcs can...

Edit: Then again, I am coming from 40k where shenanigans are rife. Fantasy does look like a slightly more restrained game

Hmmm and I have no one here that I can play with but in college maybe

 Dakkamite wrote:
Two things mainly.

Animosity seems terrible. I'm all for a bit of unpredictability, but that looks painful and I've seen lots of fantasy players bitch about it and one just up and drop the game because of it.

The other thing is that its lacking in the two areas where 40k Orks are really good; close combat and crazy contraptions.

Base one attack and base three strength... after playing around with Lizards I'm just not impressed. And their only contraption seemed to be the Doom Diver ~ very cool, but I'd have liked to see a few more like that.

I have looked at the Night Goblins though, they were a breath of fresh air. But I've kinda come to the conclusion that it looks like Skaven might do all the Orky stuff I wanted better than the Orcs can...

Edit: Then again, I am coming from 40k where shenanigans are rife. Fantasy does look like a slightly more restrained game

Contraption? They've got bolt throwers (En mass) Stone throwers, Doom divers, and that giant shrine on the back of the huge spider, Snotling pump wagon.

Also Animosity is annoying, but it isn't honestly bad, if it wasn't there O&G would probably be far above and better. As it is they sit comfortably in the middle of the road of power and do pretty well, though in all honesty I prefer huge squads of Black Orcs because they are cool.

Yeah I gotta admit I think the 'problem' here is just that I'm used to the flashiness of 40k. O&G may not have a Shokk Attakk Gun but it certain does have its merits. The models in particular look amazing

Ah, I see.

O&G aren't a truly competitive army. They have an extremely well-written and very balanced army book and thus cannot compete with Lizardmen, Skaven, Dark Elves etc. They are very solid mid tier.

Lack of contraptions? The first thing you do when building a O&G list is maxing out on rare choices war machines!

They also play quite similarly to their 40k counterpart as in them being excellent in ranged combat but mediocre in melee...due to their very effective and cheap war machines.

Animosity is bad, but if you go for mixed O&G, it's not a big problem.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Ah, I see.

O&G aren't a truly competitive army. They have an extremely well-written and very balanced army book and thus cannot compete with Lizardmen, Skaven, Dark Elves etc. They are very solid mid tier.

Lack of contraptions? The first thing you do when building a O&G list is maxing out on rare choices war machines!

They also play quite similarly to their 40k counterpart as in them being excellent in ranged combat but mediocre in melee...due to their very effective and cheap war machines.

Animosity is bad, but if you go for mixed O&G, it's not a big problem.

Most of which were overpowered 7th edition books, which is a pity when you actually get a balanced book.

Wha?

I'm wondering, anyone ever seen Fantasy O&G do double duty as Snakebite Orks from 40k? Or vice versa? That would be my dream tbh

They'd fit nicely as Slugga Boyz, Nobs, Warpheads, Lobbas, and I suppost those Mangler Squigs could use the Big Squiggoth ruleset.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Most of which were overpowered 7th edition books, which is a pity when you actually get a balanced book.

Yup

Yes, I have seen converted Orks and they looked like 40k, sure, but fit in to Fantasy as well. Iirc, the guy based it on Orks raiding a Dwarf's hold then using their technology. The main thing is to get rid of their pistols and replace them with shields (plasticard, cheap and looks good). Some Orcs have tech stuff in their heads, so just use some green stuff to make an eye-patch or sth. to cover the bit.

All in all, it's a good load of work you gotta do, but as always, it saves you a lot of money. Just "de-tech" the Orks and get some square bases

 Sigvatr wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Most of which were overpowered 7th edition books, which is a pity when you actually get a balanced book.

Yup

Yes, I have seen converted Orks and they looked like 40k, sure, but fit in to Fantasy as well. Iirc, the guy based it on Orks raiding a Dwarf's hold then using their technology. The main thing is to get rid of their pistols and replace them with shields (plasticard, cheap and looks good). Some Orcs have tech stuff in their heads, so just use some green stuff to make an eye-patch or sth. to cover the bit.

All in all, it's a good load of work you gotta do, but as always, it saves you a lot of money. Just "de-tech" the Orks and get some square bases

Could always use the "Pistol and Rifle" orcs as basic arrer boyz, of course under the "careless" nature of orcs, the guns are practically weak, hardly shoot as well, and essentially due to any bad modifications they work like arrows due to the orcs wanting them to shoot faster.

Knowing 40k, will make it easier to grasp the basic's of fantasy. Understanding strength and wounds and such, gives you the very basic layout. But the actual game, is vastly different. Thankfully, it's not too difficult to pick up, if you have people to play with.

Lol I don't really know how to play I haven't read the rulebook for 40k even

 Dakkamite wrote:
Two things mainly.

Animosity seems terrible. I'm all for a bit of unpredictability, but that looks painful and I've seen lots of fantasy players bitch about it and one just up and drop the game because of it.

The other thing is that its lacking in the two areas where 40k Orks are really good; close combat and crazy contraptions.

Base one attack and base three strength... after playing around with Lizards I'm just not impressed. And their only contraption seemed to be the Doom Diver ~ very cool, but I'd have liked to see a few more like that.

I have looked at the Night Goblins though, they were a breath of fresh air. But I've kinda come to the conclusion that it looks like Skaven might do all the Orky stuff I wanted better than the Orcs can...

Edit: Then again, I am coming from 40k where shenanigans are rife. Fantasy does look like a slightly more restrained game

I use an all night goblin army for 1.5k matches. trust me, our rares are insane.

Mangler squigs. Oh god mangler squigs. To sum them up, a 65 point fanatic that I can steer, has 3 wounds, T4 and hits with 2d6 STR6 Armor piercing hits. Oh and you are at -1 to shoot it. They almost always kill well over the points I pay for them. Also, people who know what they do are typically terrified, and will often waste a disproportionate amount of effort in getting rid of them.

Brutal rare choices combined with with cheap, cheap infantry, cheap characters (A combat lord and a lvl 4 at 1500 points is fun) and some solid special (cave squigs are cheap and nasty enough to offset the fact they die easily) make green skins remarkably destructive. The key is to be aggressive. Get right up in the other guys face and see if they can weather the storm. And prey annimosity leaves you alone. When it works, you win. When it doesn't, you get tabled. Fun either way

Sounds pretty sweet. I'm in the process of getting myself O&G atm, getting a bunch of models off of someone next week and have two dakkadakka trades that hopefully won't fall through.

Sadly no NG in there atm. Definitely want to try them out because they were by far the most interesting part of the army book