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With the popularity of this amalgamation of light and dark, we sometimes wonder why would these two factions ally with each other, whether it is the "relationship" between Valeria and Trazyn, they both being ward codexes, or their viability in recent tournies...
At the moment I am currently working on a conversion on what I call "The Mechanicum Crusaders" where the grey knights are space marines with robotic implants and the necrons are simply Mechanicum built "robots" (I know right). I am still in the lore developement process attempting to explain different aspects such as psychic power = Mechanicum science or that Coteaz isnt Coteaz etc...
Anyway what would be your reasons why would Grey Knights be "allying" with one such as the Necrons?, or what are your own thought on conversions? or any other suggestions on my attempt to make this love hate allies viable?


As always keep it mean but keep it clean

Ermm...they both dislike chaos?

Well...I suppose it's possible if demons are close enough to a Tomb World. Necrons hate demons as much as the GK do.

The GK would probably just shoot the crons on sight though. Not sure if its been retconned, but in the previous GK codex (or Daemonhunters, as the book was previously called), they considered C'tan to be a type of demon, and necrons were just a form of demonic construct.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well...I suppose it's possible if demons are close enough to a Tomb World. Necrons hate demons as much as the GK do.

The GK would probably just shoot the crons on sight though. Not sure if its been retconned, but in the previous GK codex (or Daemonhunters, as the book was previously called), they considered C'tan to be a type of demon, and necrons were just a form of demonic construct.

The Ordo Xenos does share it's information with the other Ordos concerning major Xenos races, the Grey Knights know all about the Tyranids for example.

Honestly, I would love to say it was an above reason, but its really that they're warddexes, everybody knows that. look at the pile of gak that allows necrons and BA to buddy up.

 Gyrtop wrote:
Honestly, I would love to say it was an above reason, but its really that they're warddexes, everybody knows that. look at the pile of gak that allows necrons and BA to buddy up.

It wasn't buddying up. It was a truce of convenience. It was either continue fighting each other and get eaten, or ally and fall back afterwards to avoid unnecessary casualties. Basic military strategy, really.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Gyrtop wrote:
Honestly, I would love to say it was an above reason, but its really that they're warddexes, everybody knows that. look at the pile of gak that allows necrons and BA to buddy up.

It wasn't buddying up. It was a truce of convenience. It was either continue fighting each other and get eaten, or ally and fall back afterwards to avoid unnecessary casualties. Basic military strategy, really.

The thing that got most people is that Dante thought it was dishonorable to attack them after fighting together. Said Dante is a rabid xenophobe.

 Kain wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Gyrtop wrote:
Honestly, I would love to say it was an above reason, but its really that they're warddexes, everybody knows that. look at the pile of gak that allows necrons and BA to buddy up.

It wasn't buddying up. It was a truce of convenience. It was either continue fighting each other and get eaten, or ally and fall back afterwards to avoid unnecessary casualties. Basic military strategy, really.

The thing that got most people is that Dante thought it was dishonorable to attack them after fighting together. Said Dante is a rabid xenophobe.

Yeah, that was the silly part. Other than that, it is a decent strategy.

Then again...there were more nids than necrons, and he is an old man. Fighting is hard work.

The whole Blood Angels and Necrons thing hurts me to read. That really was just that Matt Ward likes both races and imagines them living together and skipping off into the sunset.

Grey Knights and Necrons working together is entirely different because Grey Knights, unlike the Blood Angels are not bound by the Imperiums laws. They are above the law, and can basically do as they please. If Blood Angels work with Necrons and the Inquisition finds out, there is going to be hell to pay, but no one would dare question the Grey Knights for doing the same thing.

Also, as stated above, regular Space Marines are huge xenophobes. Most of them I think would rather die than work with the Necrons. While the Grey Knights reserve that kind of hatred purely for Chaos. I'm sure they don't like xenos, but will tolerate them if their goals are the same.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Gyrtop wrote:
Honestly, I would love to say it was an above reason, but its really that they're warddexes, everybody knows that. look at the pile of gak that allows necrons and BA to buddy up.

It wasn't buddying up. It was a truce of convenience. It was either continue fighting each other and get eaten, or ally and fall back afterwards to avoid unnecessary casualties. Basic military strategy, really.

The thing that got most people is that Dante thought it was dishonorable to attack them after fighting together. Said Dante is a rabid xenophobe.

Yeah, that was the silly part. Other than that, it is a decent strategy.

Then again...there were more nids than necrons, and he is an old man. Fighting is hard work.

And then we found out that the Silent King was the big kahoona of the entire Necron race...

...Huh...

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
The whole Blood Angels and Necrons thing hurts me to read. That really was just that Matt Ward likes both races and imagines them living together and skipping off into the sunset.

Grey Knights and Necrons working together is entirely different because Grey Knights, unlike the Blood Angels are not bound by the Imperiums laws. They are above the law, and can basically do as they please. If Blood Angels work with Necrons and the Inquisition finds out, there is going to be hell to pay, but no one would dare question the Grey Knights for doing the same thing.

Oh yeah, that's true.

I forgot about the inquisition

Ye, the Ordo Xenos would have liked a few words with Dante afterwords, I would think.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
The whole Blood Angels and Necrons thing hurts me to read. That really was just that Matt Ward likes both races and imagines them living together and skipping off into the sunset.

Grey Knights and Necrons working together is entirely different because Grey Knights, unlike the Blood Angels are not bound by the Imperiums laws. They are above the law, and can basically do as they please. If Blood Angels work with Necrons and the Inquisition finds out, there is going to be hell to pay, but no one would dare question the Grey Knights for doing the same thing.

Oh yeah, that's true.

I forgot about the inquisition

Ye, the Ordo Xenos would have liked a few words with Dante afterwords, I would think.

The inquisitors were later found lining the gullet of some predators in Baal, the Blood Angels claimed that this was absolutely an accident and not that brother Mephiston pushed them in front of a rampaging Megasaur.

Necrons are silver. Grey Knights are silver. Battle Brothers!

I dunno, Necrons definitely have some beef with the Grey Knights especially after what the Knights did to poor ol' Iori Delta Tove.

The Grey Knights are actually Blood Angels successors.

I just cannot see the Grey Knights, as the Inquisition, enforcers of the xenophobic genocidal Imperium and protectors of the purity of Humanity ever working with any other race. Even if on the same battlefield with a xeno they might fight against a common foe, but they just wouldn't work with them, and would turn on the xeno immediately unless vastly overpowered. Even then they might very well go down swinging in a hopeless fight.

Team up with anyone in the Imperium, even if they didn't like them much? Sure. Xenos, no.

Rumbleguts wrote:
I just cannot see the Grey Knights, as the Inquisition, enforcers of the xenophobic genocidal Imperium and protectors of the purity of Humanity ever working with any other race. Even if on the same battlefield with a xeno they might fight against a common foe, but they just wouldn't work with them, and would turn on the xeno immediately unless vastly overpowered. Even then they might very well go down swinging in a hopeless fight.

Team up with anyone in the Imperium, even if they didn't like them much? Sure. Xenos, no.

I totally agree with this, unfortunately Matt Ward is a nothing more than a fanboy level writer and rules developer, much to the disadvantage of the rest of us.

JWhex wrote:

Rumbleguts wrote:
I just cannot see the Grey Knights, as the Inquisition, enforcers of the xenophobic genocidal Imperium and protectors of the purity of Humanity ever working with any other race. Even if on the same battlefield with a xeno they might fight against a common foe, but they just wouldn't work with them, and would turn on the xeno immediately unless vastly overpowered. Even then they might very well go down swinging in a hopeless fight.

Team up with anyone in the Imperium, even if they didn't like them much? Sure. Xenos, no.

I totally agree with this, unfortunately Matt Ward is a nothing more than a fanboy level writer and rules developer, much to the disadvantage of the rest of us.

I totally not agree with this. Friends, do not forget that imperium is vastly vast. There are a huge number of inquisitors who differ on the idea of serving imperium .

It is not uncommon for inquisitor to hire xenos services or ally themselves with them. Some inquisitors have been even allowed in to the Black Library of Eldar.

And we are talking about necrons, warp is anathema to them. They can see the grey knights real objective. If a necron lord sees that they can fight a common enemy an temporary alliance might form.

Although this would require perfect conditions since there are inquisitors which will fire upon heretics and xenos and demons on sight, there are some who gets nifty with them in order to get to the greater prize (like closing eye of terror and such).(Karamazov and Eisonhorn are good examples for this polarity)

Those aren't Necrons. Those are Adaptus Mechanicus units requisitioned by imperial decree to support the forces of the Inquisition in their righteous battle against the rising Dark Tide!

SJ

I also Mix Grey knights and Necrons but Necrons are usually my main and my lore for my guys is that the Necrons came upon them after they finished a battle against chaos and infected them with M.S.S to make them fight along side them.

also i can see the Grey Knights working with the Necrons because not all Necron factions will just attack or try to rule a planet right away. Nemesor trys to get the planet to surrender peacefully or cooperate to his needs at times. The Necrons aren't always violent they are extreamly tactile. i just hate Matt ward for making them Int 2.... sucks majorly that not a single unit is above Int 2 even thought as killer robots they probably have faster reflexes than any space marine.

Originally, Necrons were billed as 40k's "undead" army, back in 2nd Ed when 40k and WHFB were still somewhat aligned. Since then, the Necron background material has both grown and shifted to what we have today. Personally, I still see them as sci-fi skeletons, wraiths, and mummies. However, I'm not above using their current Dex for 'counts as' AdMech.

SJ

Both are mindless killing machines

/e: Oh, lore-wise, both brutally slaughter Sisters at first sight. It's a thing.

Wait a second. Dear god. Mat Ward is a sexist! :O

Rumbleguts wrote:
I just cannot see the Grey Knights, as the Inquisition, enforcers of the xenophobic genocidal Imperium and protectors of the purity of Humanity ever working with any other race. Even if on the same battlefield with a xeno they might fight against a common foe, but they just wouldn't work with them, and would turn on the xeno immediately unless vastly overpowered. Even then they might very well go down swinging in a hopeless fight.

Team up with anyone in the Imperium, even if they didn't like them much? Sure. Xenos, no.

Allow me to introduce you to a concept commonly referred to in the Inquisition as "Radicalism"...

Even Ravenor, in the Eisenhorn novels, is hanging around with an Eldar Seer Council.


The GK is also the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus of the Inquisition. They will do exactly what the Inquisition tells them to do, and they *will* like it. If the Lord Inquisitor tells them to shoot daemons and not those shiny xenos, they won't shoot those shiny xenos.

My necron and grey knight fluff lore is. I painted and converted my GK as pre heresy thousand sons and the necrons are my legio cybernetica. As to real story fluff there are some borderline reasons they'd work together and you kind of just have to go with it I guess.

Grey Knights are essentially willing to ally with anyone as long as they're killing Chaos :3

Oddly enough, per our older fluff, both the Eldar and Dark Eldar are members of the Inquisition via access to the Black Library, something to which Grey Knights enjoy full access as well. No reason to exclude other races (barring 'Nids, of course) when fighting the only fight that actually matters.

SJ

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
Grey Knights are essentially willing to ally with anyone as long as they're killing Chaos :3

This is basically the bottom line. The Grey Knights don't care whos toes they step on, or who they ally with(except for Chaos, obviously) as long as the end result is piles and piles of smoking demon corpses. Something both Grey Knights and Necrons are quite fond of creating.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Both are mindless killing machines

/e: Oh, lore-wise, both brutally slaughter Sisters at first sight. It's a thing.

Wait a second. Dear god. Mat Ward is a sexist! :O

Ward wasn't around during the NEcron's introduction, though.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Both are mindless killing machines

/e: Oh, lore-wise, both brutally slaughter Sisters at first sight. It's a thing.

Wait a second. Dear god. Mat Ward is a sexist! :O

Ward wasn't around during the NEcron's introduction, though.

It's in the current fluff =)

 Sigvatr wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Both are mindless killing machines

/e: Oh, lore-wise, both brutally slaughter Sisters at first sight. It's a thing.

Wait a second. Dear god. Mat Ward is a sexist! :O

Ward wasn't around during the NEcron's introduction, though.

It's in the current fluff =)

Actually, the slaughter of 101 was in the previous dex as well.

Sister murdering is a proud necron tradition, you know