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This is a list I have knocked up with a short table in mind with range limited at 36"- 48" with lootas and kannons which should be plenty on a short width table.

Big Mek (105pts)
'Eavy armour, Bosspole, Cybork body, Kustom force field

Lootas (75pts)
5x Loota

Lootas (75pts)
5x Loota

Gretchin (40pts)
10x Gretchin
Runtherd

11x Shoota Boyz (142pts)
Nob + Power klaw + Boss Pole
Trukk + Big shoota

11x Shoota Boyz (142pts)
Nob + Power klaw + Boss Pole
Trukk + Big shoota

10x Shoota Boyz (136pts)
Nob + Power klaw
Trukk + Big shoota

Deffkopta (45pts)
Twin-linked rokkit launcha

Stormboyz (157pts)
Boss Zagstruk
6x Stormboy

Big Gunz - Kannon (69pts),
3x Ammo runt, 6x Gretchin

3 trukks flying forward (from reserve if needs be) with KFF covering all 3 with cover from lootas and kannons range with FA kopta attempting a deep strike/outflank turn two (don't think they can come in turn one by deep strike/outflank?)

Will the KFF allow a cover save against gauss 6 rolls?

No blast templates unfortunately really want to try the SAG and biker boss but can't do everything in one game unfortunately.

I think the zagstruk will put pressure on him assuming a successful deep strike - those power klaw attacks should all being well give a positive start.
Ill target barges and arcs first hoping to make him move his 72" kannon or take some HPs.

Issues I see here are big trakk supa kannon S9 large template is missing and I'm not sure if 36 boys will cut it against all those tesla but we will see.

Ill knock up a list for a long table with more range as an alternative and post shortly. Be similar to the one posted a few days ago but maybe with SAG traded for KFF

Cc welcomed as ever.

I do like that list, my Cron head dislikes it and my Ork head likes it. Best of luck with it

Cheers mitranekh though I can't really take credit for it as I've made the list from the help of you guys. Although I do like zagstruk and the stormboyz

I'm going to post another list with more fire power and less FA let me know which you prefer from and ork and necron perspective

Cheers


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Heavy Fire Power List

Big Mek (113pts)
'Eavy armour, Ammo runt, Cybork body, Shokk attack gun

5x Loota (75pts)

5x Loota (75pts)

10 x Gretchin + Runtherd (40pts)

11 x Shoota Boyz (147pts)
Nob, Bosspole + Power klaw
Trukk + Big shoota

11 x Shoota Boyz (147pts)
Nob, Bosspole + Power klaw
Trukk + Big shoota

11 x Shoota Boyz (147pts)
Nob, Bosspole + Power klaw
Trukk + Big shoota

Deffkoptas (45pts)
Twin-linked rokkit launcha

Grot Bomm (35pts)

Grot Bomm (35pts)

Big Gun - Kannon (20pts)
2x Gretchin

Big Trakk (120pts)
Armour Plates + 2x Big Shoota
Supa-Kannon

Supa kannon is S9 AP3 ordnance 1 large blast with 60" range

Grot bomms are a one time shot S8 AP3, ordnance 1, large blast, barrage, twin linked with a 24"-72" range

Basically the same boyz and gretchin as list above but without KFF (can be swapped with SAG if advised) also 4 large templates added 2 being one time grot bomms to try and blast the shiz out of him turn one.

Single big gun added to use points and to add another S8 target for the enemy to prioritise. Maybe to clear some scarabs if the other guns do the business early on. Unfortunately I can't afford an ammo runt for it which is a shame.
(Can be dropped for red paint job on trukks or more gretchin maybe)

Between this list and the one a post above which do you think is the best overall list in your experience to give me an edge against the crons and an assumed 2 or 3 AV13s ?!

We are going to play The Emperors Will (up to now - maybe will change) so one objective each. I feel I weak to losing warboss and first blood but more confident in taking his objective and getting a few line breakers if I'm lucky.

Think I will defo take one of these list as I do like them both

Cheers

I'd say Sluggas > Shootas in a trukk list. It's the one place where they really shine and you'll appreciate the 50% better CC when they're stuck in.

A KFF for three trukks is a bit of a waste. It'll save a few boys from an explosion but not enough to really be worth it

I honestly don't think you need the extra stormboy. Whats he going to accomplish? He'll do no damage to a vehicle, be another 50% casualty from the explosion, and then eat one or two out of a flood of bullets that overkill Zaggy and co several times over after the vehicle is dead.

My vote goes for list #1, but swapping Shootas for Sluggas.

Never used a KFF so wasn't sure how much protection it would provide etc . Maybe an SAG instead

Was thinking an extra stormboy would help with the d3 wounds for the assault on landing rule so that they don't have to flee turn one. Not 100% how the rule works though - if the stormboyz get their attacks before a leadership test I suppose it doesnt matter much.

Ill go sluggas in trukk as like you say it all about melee and the cc game against the cron so the extra attack will help and four on the charge

I won! Thanks so much for your help guys.
My mate and I both learnt a lesson today - large blast aren't everything that we expected them to be!

I went with the list with the supa kannon and the grot bomm and my templates were average at best. SAG never hit above a S5! And one grott bomm glanced.

Only vehicle my mate took was the doomsday arc no annihilation barges so I was happy.

Turn 1 was stale mate really nothing much happens but I got first turn. Fired all my large blast and lootas and only took one hull point off the doom arc. Best thing was on my mates turn he didn't choose to shoot at my trukks he was baffled by my large blasts.
I couldn't believe it so turn 2 my boyz were krumpin! And boy did they do good! Pleased I took the Choppa boyz as they were brutal with 4 attacks! His heavy destroyers took out my single kannon leaving one gretchin (he was man of the match!).

Boyz kiilled overlord with res orb and 15 warriors (i think 15) and other trukk boyz claimed his objective and I decided to bring the third trukk and boyz back after killing the destroyers as he deep striked obyron and immortals in to my back line.

In the end I swamped him in melee and then my lootas came good doing a snap shot wound on obyron and then a gretchin from the kannon that survived his leadership - Killed obyron!! What!!! I couldn't believe it taking his last wound!

He insta killed my warlord with the doomsday arc unfortunately although the single kopta really caused some aggro to that dooms arc blocking line of sight and one turn he even shot at it wasting a turn as it jinked was so pleased how that turned out.

Then it was a case of whittling down his last few stragglers and fleeing units and then the lootas came good and did 3 glances against his dooms arc in one turn.

By turn 4 he had no units left. All my trukks were still ok except one that got immobilised on a dangerous terrain test.

He scored 2 points - warlord and first blood

I scored 8 points - with both objectives and warlord and a line breaker

Thanks so much for your help. Next time we are playing relic scenario with 1200 points and flyers but I have none :( but I have quite a lot of fast attack

Awesome..congrats - sounds like a fun game!

Next time, let Dakka at his list too

Yeah it was fun thanks - ill tell my mate to jump on this forum too for some tips! Although I may regret it as you guys are good

Neo-5 wrote:
Yeah it was fun thanks - ill tell my mate to jump on this forum too for some tips! Although I may regret it as you guys are good

First off, well played good job and get a specially converted Grot model made ASAP! but please do get your friend on here, we have to be fair to both sides now don't we?

Congrats man. Now it starts to get hard. Necron's are infamous for their fliers, and Orks have no dedicated AA outside of the dakkajet (edit: and some more forgeworld stuff that I forgot about)

I'm loath to suggest fliers but your gonna need them here. But instead of buying the damn things, honest to god they are very very (very) easy to build from scratch. Model it off of the WW2 Hellcat, and just use a suitably sized sauce or drink bottle as the base.

Edit: As for that forgeworld stuff, look at the Big Trakk entry in IA:8. It can get flakkaguns. But what you want is the Flakka Trakk, but sadly thats not in there ~ however it is literally exactly this unit, with the flakkaguns options, and taken solo rather than in a squad (which is super gak IMO). Where it differs is the Go Go Go! special rule ~ this allows it to move flat out and still "fire" it's Flakkaguns (assumably normally, it doesn't clarify).

Overall though the dakkajet is probably still better because this unit hogs a heavy slot and is still like 90 points.

Guys could I have any opinions on the following units which I would like to try out...

Nobs with painboy in trukk
Meganobz with warlord in trukk
Nob bikers with painboy small unit and large

Some expensive units here and was curious if they have proved generally to be worth the points - I suppose they would be best transported in a battlewagon but I don't have one :(

Any tips would be appreciated thanks

Neo-5 wrote:
Guys could I have any opinions on the following units which I would like to try out...

Nobs with painboy in trukk
Meganobz with warlord in trukk
Nob bikers with painboy small unit and large

Some expensive units here and was curious if they have proved generally to be worth the points - I suppose they would be best transported in a battlewagon but I don't have one :(

Any tips would be appreciated thanks

The Manz(mega armored nobz) missle works rather well, move 12 flat out 12, (into cover if there is any) then move 6 jump out 6 charge 2d6 woooh ur in Close combat turn two with units that's S&P

Normal nobz in trukk.. sounds fun on paper but is less efficent in game, the trukks will need luck to survive and normal nobz ending costing more than the mega nobz due painboy and aditional PK's /waagh banner cybork armor / eavy armor. but iv'e tried to run clean 10 man nobz in trukks just for the laughs... against Tau it went very good as he didnt see them as a big threat having no uppgrades, he focused on other sutff... nonethe less they got into CC rather fast and he bugged his overwatch ^^ One multi assault later.. and two groups of 12 firewarriors were dead xD

Nob bikers.. One of the best deathstars in our normal Codex, allways take a warboss on bike with them for the LD9 and grab a Bosspole as they will need it, Painboy aswell. Prefered size is atleast 5 nob bikers (the 5 include a painboy) and grab a waagh banner to make your warboss even harder to hit with high WS and FNP ^^
1-2 PK's depending on size. they are like the trukk but move 12 flat out 12, next turn move 12 then assault and not to forget their awesome 4+ 4+ /5/5++

Thanks for that phatonic its always good to hear how units have performed for other people although I know it all comes down to the dice roll at the end if the day. Are trukks ok to use as he plays necron and battlewagons seem a waste if points really with his awesome anti tank.

My friend has bought a couple of new units today to help him get stuck in melee with my boyz. I think he's going lychguard praetorians and wraiths so I fancied proxying some hard hitting units myself

Those preytorians sound nasty crikey that AP1 melee nukes everything and a full squad will hurt but suppose against 30 boys its trivial?? Maybe a bit of tarpitting and plenty of shooting will hold em up.

Should be fun as its the first fully no holds barred game we are playing all units allowed flyers everything ! Also mention about coming on here for advice so he maybe joining us soon

Look forward to taking some new units in the next game

Neo-5 wrote:
Thanks for that phatonic its always good to hear how units have performed for other people although I know it all comes down to the dice roll at the end if the day. Are trukks ok to use as he plays necron and battlewagons seem a waste if points really with his awesome anti tank.

My friend has bought a couple of new units today to help him get stuck in melee with my boyz. I think he's going lychguard praetorians and wraiths so I fancied proxying some hard hitting units myself

Those preytorians sound nasty crikey that AP1 melee nukes everything and a full squad will hurt but suppose against 30 boys its trivial?? Maybe a bit of tarpitting and plenty of shooting will hold em up.

Should be fun as its the first fully no holds barred game we are playing all units allowed flyers everything ! Also mention about coming on here for advice so he maybe joining us soon

Look forward to taking some new units in the next game

Wraiths aint that scary when you get that Boomgun or supakannon off, they are T4 thus being instant killed^^ sure they got a 3+ inv save.. but that's like killing space marines.. enough wounds = enough unsaved ones^^

Typically ork tactics then really - as many shots/attacks as possible as something is bound to take a wound and go down!

Just need to decide what I'm taking now ill post something up when I get chance

Trukks are the best vehicle to take against good anti-tank. If something is gonna bust a both a battlewagon or a trukk with ease, that ramshackle rule makes an enormous difference. Personally I almost always take trukks over battlewagons, but in both cases you need to go big or go home ~ a fleet of trukks or wagons, or none at all, because just one isn't gonna cut it. If you are taking just one, a trukk full of MANz can still be decent its just a bit risky

 Dakkamite wrote:
Trukks are the best vehicle to take against good anti-tank. If something is gonna bust a both a battlewagon or a trukk with ease, that ramshackle rule makes an enormous difference. Personally I almost always take trukks over battlewagons, but in both cases you need to go big or go home ~ a fleet of trukks or wagons, or none at all, because just one isn't gonna cut it. If you are taking just one, a trukk full of MANz can still be decent its just a bit risky

Trukks filled with only 3-4 do a decent job after my experience ^^ the manz missles are hillarious.

Praetorians are AP2, not AP1 (they don't get warscythes). They only get one attack base, so because they are expensive as all get out, yoy should be ok. The Lychguard might be more effective as have 2 attacks base. Both are T5 FYI.

Wraiths with a destroyer lord are nasty, because they will get PE. Definitely get stuck into them with shooting ASAP.

Toughness five eh? Double six shock attack gun inc! Nah jokes... but as said.. quantity kills the quallity, enough dakka would do it.. iv'e had a dreadknight die by shoota boyz

I can manage 4 trukks 20 meganobz (nob proxy) so that should be pretty good sound awesome so if I remember correctly AP2 still allows no saves against +2 saves so meganobz wouldn't be too safe against the pretorians but I suppose I should be shooting them rather than melee.

Doubt my friend will be taking destroyers in a hurry as he was disappointed with them. He used them for the first time in the last game and my boyz krumped all 3 in one go turn two.

So don't think he will take dest lord he will go zandrek and obyron and a flyer or two which worries me as I have none :s would a defense line full of lootas help? Or I can get some pop bottles as dakka said and get building.

Is it valid with these objective games to play defensive as orks and sit 30 shoota boyz on an objective or two and just hold fast rather than full rush up the board. Let him come to me? Doesn't sound too orkish but if it works??

As in the last game I rushed all boyz forward leaving all my templates heavies at the back with my grethcin capped objective and he deep striked and had the pickings of them all and nearly sneaking my objective as all my boyz were in his deployment zone.

Thanks all

Imo if he's got flyers an ADL with quad gun would be a great call for 100pts. 4 S7 shots TL i believe, thats a dead flyer, plus it has interceptor (I think...) As for the charge tactic, yes do rush him he's crons, but if its a flyer game make sure to hve rapid reaponse units (koptas, bikes, nob bikes etc) to cut off landing troops and stuff.
Also if you want a flyer the Dakkajet is a great flyer killer and its guns mulch cron warriors (though for that job you take a pimped out burna bommer, AP4 ftw).
If he takes Zahndrekh, KILL HIM ASAP!! I know he isn't the fightiest so get your MANZ in his face with Boss and krump 'is 'ead in.

If you know your going up against AP2 then Nobs are a far better choice than MANz. Cybork, FNP, Banner, Bosspole, and of course not striking last

Ah I forgot about the power klaws on the mega armour suits making them all I1 - it would be easier for me to play nobz as I have a few rather than proxying.

Maybe even a squad of biker nobz ill have a dabble with the roster see what I can come up with to counter his HQs and elites - ill post a list sometime tomorrow

Cheers all

Neo-5 wrote:
Ah I forgot about the power klaws on the mega armour suits making them all I1 - it would be easier for me to play nobz as I have a few rather than proxying.

Maybe even a squad of biker nobz ill have a dabble with the roster see what I can come up with to counter his HQs and elites - ill post a list sometime tomorrow

Cheers all

Toughness six warboss ftw

Doesn't the toughness lower to 5 if he is in the biker nob squad though? I never have run a boss on his own is it worth it?

Yeah against shooting GW has decided to nerf tough models whilst allowing heavily armoured models to retain 100% of their advantage. You use majority toughness but individual armour saves. Hurray GW and their lack of Space Marine bias.

Want to put that Warboss in front to tank shooting? feth you. Wanna take a 2+ sergeant for your squad to do the same thing? Go right ahead.

Neo-5 wrote:
Doesn't the toughness lower to 5 if he is in the biker nob squad though? I never have run a boss on his own is it worth it?

It's mostly a close combat thing.. unless you wanna risk it and go suicidal and solo run him

Neo-5 wrote:

Doubt my friend will be taking destroyers in a hurry as he was disappointed with them. He used them for the first time in the last game and my boyz krumped all 3 in one go turn two.

So don't think he will take dest lord he will go zandrek and obyron and a flyer or two which worries me as I have none :s would a defense line full of lootas help? Or I can get some pop bottles as dakka said and get building.

Don't confuse a Destroyer Lord with Destroyers (or even heavy destroyers). Not the same beast at all. Destroyer Lord is CC oriented (Warscythe, Jump Infantry, Preferred Enemy Everything, 2+/3+ with orb, MSS). In a unit of wraiths, can tank wounds on 2+ and grants PE to wraiths while not slowing them down.

Neo-5 wrote:

Is it valid with these objective games to play defensive as orks and sit 30 shoota boyz on an objective or two and just hold fast rather than full rush up the board. Let him come to me? Doesn't sound too orkish but if it works??

As in the last game I rushed all boyz forward leaving all my templates heavies at the back with my grethcin capped objective and he deep striked and had the pickings of them all and nearly sneaking my objective as all my boyz were in his deployment zone.

Thanks all

I would strongly advise not trying to camp objectives against a mechanised Necron list (either with Ghost Arks or Night Scythes). The reason is that he'll be able to camp his objective and will simply drop out the warriors from the NS/GA to contest yours at the end. Besides, where's the fun in that ? If you want to camp, play Tau.

Rushing stuff forward ftw!

Hey Markcron what do you reckon about a Destroyer Lord as an allied HQ for Orks?

Been gathering Necron models to make 'Looted Crons' with, and I'm thinking of putting a Warboss on a Destroyer platform (with a smashed destroyer body hanging off of it!) as the HQ. The alternative is probably Imotek the Stormlord, fluffed as a Kommando Boss. I'm real big on fast choppy HQ but really does the Destroyer Lord bring anything a bikerboss wouldn't already?

Cheers

Ah! destroyer lords do sound nasty - there maybe a chance my friend will get one as he was talking about getting melee units.
That thing would take some killing!

I'm thinking he will go with pretorians lychguard and wraiths though as then he can proxy other units if he has more models - but he may surprise me!