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Dakkamite wrote:Hey Markcron what do you reckon about a Destroyer Lord as an allied HQ for Orks?

Been gathering Necron models to make 'Looted Crons' with, and I'm thinking of putting a Warboss on a Destroyer platform (with a smashed destroyer body hanging off of it!) as the HQ. The alternative is probably Imotek the Stormlord, fluffed as a Kommando Boss. I'm real big on fast choppy HQ but really does the Destroyer Lord bring anything a bikerboss wouldn't already?

Cheers

I really don't know anything about orks, so can't really compare. However, the DestroLord is a great unit when paired with something fast (because of ability to Tank, having MSS, plus giving PE). If you were going to run allies and wanted a looted Destrolord, I'd suggest you also include wraiths (240), 5 warriors in NightScythe (165) and an Anni Barge (90).

Neo-5 wrote:Ah! destroyer lords do sound nasty - there maybe a chance my friend will get one as he was talking about getting melee units.
That thing would take some killing!

I'm thinking he will go with pretorians lychguard and wraiths though as then he can proxy other units if he has more models - but he may surprise me!

Just so you're clear - Lychguard and Praetorians are separate units and cost 40 points each (min 5). Unless you significantly up your points, you probably won't see all three. Actually I hope that you don't see all three, cos any list that has all three will get pounded at 1500pts.

My friend has really got the bit between his teeth now after his last defeat - it seems he's been researching or been in a forum as he has mentioned a lot of ways he intends on disabling my boyz some of which do have me stumped!

First he said he can blow all my trukks in turn one - I'm not sure how but maybe deep striking pretorians is on way but that would only disable one. Maybe a deep strike and a tachyon arrow? Any offers here?

He also said he is taking two flyers so now I assume I need at least one and a aegis line to even compete?

He said he will use scarabs to tarpit my boys so I said I use burna boys in a wagon but then he said he could make the whole unit die if they rolled a 1 with making my weapons get hot??? Surely scarabs can't do that but can any other unit?

Finally he said he would deep strike everything in to my back line that he could and support with fast attack. Not sure how this really helps as if he does that I will steal his objectives and he will steal mine!?! Unless he tarpits all my boys in the middle.

I think I am worrying to much about his strategy rather than my own but if you can help me out with any of the above it would help as a few of those things I'm stumped on. Especially what to do if all my trukks go turn one!?

Neo-5 wrote:
My friend has really got the bit between his teeth now after his last defeat - it seems he's been researching or been in a forum as he has mentioned a lot of ways he intends on disabling my boyz some of which do have me stumped!

First he said he can blow all my trukks in turn one - I'm not sure how but maybe deep striking pretorians is on way but that would only disable one. Maybe a deep strike and a tachyon arrow? Any offers here?

Not to be disheartening, but you only have 3 trukks, and Necrons have more AV options than you can poke a stick at. They won't necessarily blow, but glance to death has the same effect.

Neo-5 wrote:
He also said he is taking two flyers so now I assume I need at least one and a aegis line to even compete?

If one is a doom scythe, probably a good idea to have some anti flyer capability.

Neo-5 wrote:
He said he will use scarabs to tarpit my boys so I said I use burna boys in a wagon but then he said he could make the whole unit die if they rolled a 1 with making my weapons get hot??? Surely scarabs can't do that but can any other unit?

Actually, yes. A C'tan shard can do that. I haven't got my codex so not sure on ranges etc.

Neo-5 wrote:
Finally he said he would deep strike everything in to my back line that he could and support with fast attack. Not sure how this really helps as if he does that I will steal his objectives and he will steal mine!?! Unless he tarpits all my boys in the middle.

Normally, if I do that (actually I tend to do that quite a bit) I have a couple of reserved squads of warriors to walk on and take/contest the objectives at the end. Also, if he has all your objectives, you are sort of between a rock and a hard place. Move back to contest yours? Or move forward to get his?

Is there any mileage in holding fast turn one and two to stop the deep striking units and sticking masses of boys on my objectives no trukks? and drawing him in then attacking? Just a thought?

With maybe deepstriking some stormboyz and or koptaz to steal his objectives and to nuke heavy support?


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Also what necron units or weapons have haywire rule?


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Ctan shards look immense they are practically an awesome HQ unit! Nasty!

The Ork strength lies in its infantry, not it's ramshackle bucket of bolts vehicles.

You need AA now. That means either Lootas, Aegis, Forgeworld Flakk Trakk, or Dakkajet.

I just looked at the Necron fliers... and I mean seriously, they get AV13? And pinpoint precision attacks with that death beam? Seems extremely fun and balanced, especially against the army with the worst AA in the game.

Not quite, flyers don't get quantum shielding so they're only AV11. But I agree in terms of aerial fighting Orks are in bother against crons, a D'jet will be near vital, as will an ADL

Would there be any mileage in a AA gun line style set up to try and defend my objectives and draw him to me then attack rather than getting caught mid table between objectives?

As many lootas as I can get and aegis and maybe a dakka jet and shoota boys with some storm boys for contesting

Tricky I'm a tad unsure how to go about this now he's going deepstrike and flyers changed my game plan of bombing forward as there will be nothing there to attack lol


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Any one know a good resource for dakka jet rules etc?

Ah I got that wrong. I thought it was living metal that was +2 AV. Even as it is, your going to have to kill these fliers you can't stun them.

Orks aren't that great as a gunline compared to other armies. Things like that Doomsday Ark are gonna bomb you into the ground. I hate to say it, but I'm seriously recommending you ally something in at this point.

The other alternative is, rather than shooting down the fliers, ignore them. They can only do so much damage, and they're only on the board for so many turns, and they spend half that time pointed in the wrong direction! Build an army that cannot be crippled by something like this and laugh when his 175pt Doom Scythe kills a handful of boyz each turn.

Neo-5 wrote:
Would there be any mileage in a AA gun line style set up to try and defend my objectives and draw him to me then attack rather than getting caught mid table between objectives?

As many lootas as I can get and aegis and maybe a dakka jet and shoota boys with some storm boys for contesting

Tricky I'm a tad unsure how to go about this now he's going deepstrike and flyers changed my game plan of bombing forward as there will be nothing there to attack lol


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Any one know a good resource for dakka jet rules etc?

As for the dakkajet rules is sadly trough a silly book they released,...,, or wait untill the next ork codex gets out.

Dakkas sorted me out thanks man

Neo-5 wrote:
Dakkas sorted me out thanks man

with the updated one i hope?

if not fighta ace = fly boss and = BS 3 against everything.

Erm I'm not sure just looking now

Yeah man, don't hold it for too long I'm going to need it next weekend.

As for the dakkajet, yeah take note that those things are BS3 against, well, everything. I had used those rules in White Dwarf for ages and so was shocked when I found out that it was so damn accurate. Just don't get any ideas about those other fliers, they're pretty bad... especially the blitzabommer which competes with Flash Gitz for worst thing in the codex.

Dakka don't worry ill give the book back when I've finished borrowing it

Neo-5 wrote:
Would there be any mileage in a AA gun line style set up to try and defend my objectives and draw him to me then attack rather than getting caught mid table between objectives?

As many lootas as I can get and aegis and maybe a dakka jet and shoota boys with some storm boys for contesting

Tricky I'm a tad unsure how to go about this now he's going deepstrike and flyers changed my game plan of bombing forward as there will be nothing there to attack lol


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Any one know a good resource for dakka jet rules etc?

Reiterating my comments before the last game - play to the strength of the orks, rather than changing on the basis of what you expect the opponent to do. If you charge forward and there is nothing there, well, at least you'll get Linebreaker!

Can anyone help me with Artillery rules as I've read in a few places that the kannon and its grot crew get T7 through the rule book doesn't seem to support this - confirmation would be great.

Cheers.

Hurr durr not a substitute for the rulebook etc.

Page 46 under shooting at artillery. Grots are absolutely without a doubt the cheapest T7 3+ saves in the entire game. They don't get those stats in an assault.

Ah good stuff thought they were but missed the info

Cheers dakka

What's a grot? - Like I said, no ork experience.

Grots are Gretchin