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 Ouze wrote:
but... why would you arbitrarily subtract something that comes in the box and claim you get less value than you pay in? This seems a little odd.

Because Kickstarters have a habit of bringing out the stupid in most Dakkanauts.


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 pretre wrote:
There is nothing I can say in response to this quote that makes it any more perfect.

Maybe if I complained about everything it would be, but I don't, so bite me.

 Breotan wrote:
So far, the math clearly shows you get better value for putting in more money. Captain is the first pledge level where the money pledged is less than the initial value of items received.

Here's the initial breakdown (ignoring the KS exclusive since they all get one):

SNIPPED MATH

Initial value: $365 cash for $380 worth of figures.

Take away the free Heroines and even Captain is $5 less value than the pledge level. Gotta say, as much as I want to see this succeed, I'd rather not pay MORE for my figures than the total value. I'm a little disappointed but will hold off joining the hatewagon until I see how the extras/add-ons change things.

You are forgetting that the pledge value is less than the estimated retail.
Those $10 pledge heroines are estimated retail of 16.50 and the $15 ones are $18
SO
Lieutenant
Heroine $30 pledge value - $36-$49.50 retail (depending on which you choose)
Troop $60 Pledge value- $70.50-$80 retail
Support $60 pledge value - $70- $80 retail

Total $150 Pledge Value - $165 actual pledge (not including EB) - Retail Value $176.50 - $209.50

I think Breotans point fails to take into account one fact,

They aren't discounting you by pledge levels. They discounted the units and heroines for the entire KS. I'd like to see your math hammer using not the KS price, but comparing the pledge level cost to what you are getting by its MSRP.

Edit keltikhoa did my math for me before allowing me to ask.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
What I love most in this



Is how well it catches its inspiration

Um.. I was going to post this last night, but I went to bed instead. I'm sure someone has already beaten me to it, as I'm posting as I'm catching up on the thread, but just in case..

 Symbio Joe wrote:
So is a seperate paypal money pool considered?

RH said a page earlier:
→ Will there be a Paypal option? Yes, in a few days, we haven't had a chance to set it up yet.

While some of the complaints are a little out there, I strongly suspect at the root of some of them is the fact that some people expected (for whatever reason) to find a nice, good looking yet inexpensive GW alternative army (a'la Mantic or Reaper Bones) and are a little dismayed to find out that, in fact, the best values for the dollar don't appear to kick in until you start hitting Warhound levels of cash.

(Also, I think all hobby related projects should measure money in units of Warhounds. But I digress).

So I could see why people might feel a little bitter by that, although I don't think RH has ever positioned themselves as a lower cost alternative. And indeed, you may want to wait and just get them retail, especially if you just want a few and the shipping is a deal-killer. Nothing wrong with that, but that doesn't make it a bad project.


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Also, nice call on the Enema of the State album cover. I always liked that art.

 Hulksmash wrote:

I'm really hoping they aren't going to start "stretching" after the initial rush. Instead of following what they likely had originally planned.

That's clearly the case. As with many other campaigns, "stretch goals" often have little to do with how much it will cost to make something. With the amount of success this one has had, they're obviously changing tacks...

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
For value you've got to add in the KS exclusive figure so

Lieutenant $165

$30 Heroines
$60 Troops
$60 Support
$15 KS Exclusive Rocket Girl

Initial value: $165 cash for $165 worth of figures.

Commander $245

$50 Heroines
$90 Troops
$90 Support
x1 Heroine ($10 value)
$15 KS Exclusive rocket Girl

Initial value: $245 cash for $255 worth of figures.

Captain $365

$80 Heroines
$150 Troops
$130 Support
2x Heroines ($20 value)
$15 KS Exclusive Rocket Girl

Initial value: $365 cash for $395 worth of figures

This calculation is flawed, as it takes kickstarter discount prices for retail prices.
Example:
Lieutenant $165

$30 Heroines -> 49.50$ retail
$60 Troops -> 80$ retail
$60 Support -> 86$ retail
$15 KS Exclusive Rocket Girl -> worth 18 $ retail

Initial value: $165 cash for $233.50 worth of figures. And this is just with 1st day discounts and free stuff.

Aye, I just want lots of female mini's and damn the cost. Although it seems the general level is pretty good on those stakes as well.

I'll be using mine for Warpath fully knowing that it is going to be more expensive, it's just its gone past 200k and no sine of any free miniatures, yet?

overtyrant wrote:
I'll be using mine for Warpath fully knowing that it is going to be more expensive, it's just its gone past 200k and no sine of any free miniatures, yet?

Maybe office closes at midnight

BTW, would be nice to add this handy graphic to the first post, as it is updated automatically:

 Kroothawk wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
I'll be using mine for Warpath fully knowing that it is going to be more expensive, it's just its gone past 200k and no sine of any free miniatures, yet?

Maybe office closes at midnight

BTW, would be nice to add this handy graphic to the first post, as it is updated automatically:

Lol that is a great achievement for not even there first day, I really hope it keeps climbing

I dunno how often you guys check Kicktraq, but in my experience it won't be too reliable for the first 4 or 5 days. After that, it's pretty solid up until the last 2 days, where there tend to again be a surge of pledges (or pullouts) that again render it unreliable.

 Ouze wrote:
but... why would you arbitrarily subtract something that comes in the box and claim you get less value than you pay in? This seems a little odd.

Wasn't arbitrary. I was looking at the value of the initial offering. A month from now I expect it will be very different.

In the whole calculating thing you could also calculate in minis:

Lieutenant $165

Let's say
2x Heroines for 15 each (or 3 for 10)
20x Troopers for 15 each (15 when choosing Heavy)
12x girls with artillery 15 each
1*Rocket Girl

35 minis for 165$ = each for 5$

If I calculated right I think that isn't a bad deal from this POV

 WolfStark wrote:
In the whole calculating thing you could also calculate in minis

You could calculate in any number of ways (I went with listed value. Others want to use retail. Still others want to account for freebees. Etc., etc., etc.) but the principle is always the same. The math clearly shows you get better value for putting in more money (as expected) with the sweet spot being $365 USD which (as has been pointed out by others) a little high for a line of miniatures.

 Breotan wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
but... why would you arbitrarily subtract something that comes in the box and claim you get less value than you pay in? This seems a little odd.

Wasn't arbitrary. I was looking at the value of the initial offering. A month from now I expect it will be very different.

But... the model you removed has an associated value that is included right now. Why does that model "not count"?

I'm not too stressed about it. The DeadZone KS whch just finished had gakky value initially. While I don't expect a pile of BOGOFs or anything here, I got me EB pledge in, and now while I'll read this thread, I'm not going to stress about it (or even care all that much) until there's about 2 days left. By that stage, I expect that the values will have hiked somewhat, and if I decide then that the value is poor at that time, I'll yank most/all of my pledge. No need to stress for the next 30 days, though.

No big deal.

@Breotan
I won't question that^^

For our American friends: Keep in mind that it is 1.00 AM now in Raging Heroes' office, so that might explain the low frequency of updates.

This is a great start to their Kickstarter. I'm beginning to regret not grabbing an early bird Major-level pledge, but what the hell. Can't wait to see what else gets unlocked.

 Ouze wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
but... why would you arbitrarily subtract something that comes in the box and claim you get less value than you pay in? This seems a little odd.

Wasn't arbitrary. I was looking at the value of the initial offering. A month from now I expect it will be very different.

But... the model you removed has an associated value that is included right now. Why does that model "not count"?

I don't see why this is so hard to fathom. The KS exclusive figure actually has two associated values; free and $15. I chose to use "free" because it wasn't a mini you were specifically paying for with your pledge where the Heroines, Troops, and Support were. I also pointed out the difference excluding the 1 & 2 free heroines at Commander and Captain.

You don't like the way I calculated things? Fine. When people post the overall value of each pledge level like they did with Deadzone, you can count on them using retail price to calculate the overall value of each pledge level. Still, I expect the fact will still remain that Captain ($365) is the sweet spot here and that is pretty steep for a lot of people.

gohkm wrote:
This is a great start to their Kickstarter. I'm beginning to regret not grabbing an early bird Major-level pledge, but what the hell. Can't wait to see what else gets unlocked.

Don't sweat it. Early bird pledges usually open up as the campaign winds down and people bail out or move to a different pledge level. Just mark the last couple of days on your calendar so you don't forget and you should get one.

Edit: Wow. Nearly 1000 backers and not even 24 hours out. I may well make the jump to Captain if this project gets enough revenue to go to hard plastic.

 Breotan wrote:

go to hard plastic.

Is that a realistic possibility / something that they have hinted at?

Edit: SG summary $12k - $200k:

 Minx wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

go to hard plastic.

Is that a realistic possibility / something that they have hinted at?

From the Kickstarter, scroll to almost the bottom:

We split the casting between two foundries: One in metal and one in resin, so that neither gets overwhelmed with volume should this KS exceed expectations. And if this Kickstarter was to go extremely well, we also have back-up plans for injected plastics.

 Ouze wrote:

 Minx wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

go to hard plastic.

Is that a realistic possibility / something that they have hinted at?

From the Kickstarter, scroll to almost the bottom:

We split the casting between two foundries: One in metal and one in resin, so that neither gets overwhelmed with volume should this KS exceed expectations. And if this Kickstarter was to go extremely well, we also have back-up plans for injected plastics.

Thanks, i must have missed that. Interesting.

Edit: new SG $225k:

Oh god, just noticed you guys have that Abe Lincoln guy in your kickstarter comments as well.

Have fun with that for the next month or so, if Deadzone is any indication he will be consistently and loudly negative about every single thing (even stuff that others like) for the entire month.

Yea, Abe's been parked there since launch. I don't mind when he makes valid points but he does tend to be more negative than he really needs to be.

I'm having trouble reconciling the the discounts on some heroines.

Msrp of 18...get it for 3$ off
Msrp of 16.50...get it for 6.50 off


Long term the 10$ heroines are much better choice.

Aaaaand .... 2000 % reached after less than 9 hours

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Long term the 10$ heroines are much better choice.

Depends on how many $10 Heroines there are to choose from, I guess. Also, I would hope that the $15 and $20 Heroines are more complicated and/or bigger (not necessarily taller) sculpts than the $10 ones.