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Hulksmash wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Sweeter than up to 40% discount plus free miniatures?

It's not all 40%. It's disingenuous to suggest it is. Let's look at it assuming everything gets unlocked.

Guess I should have said up to 40% then. Wait ... I did!

Hulksmash wrote:He never said they are the same. Hell, the quote you quote shows a range. Take a breath.

Yes, an obviously false range.

Azazelx wrote:Do you know of any online UK retailers that actually stock RH with a discount?

That's an interesting question considering all those claiming to get them at a 25+% discount.

But I guess it is easier to personally attack me than to disprove the facts I present. Esp. as the mods don't interfere.

grefven wrote:
I think that the almost 1 year wait time is quite an important factor here. If I put those money into a stock market for this year and buy the items when they hit retail, one might actually make a better deal than "pre-ordering" them in this KS with a (potential) risk of not actually getting any items at all. Mmm...

This is exactly what I mean "money today is worth more then money tomorrow"; consider that the S&P closed on June 5, 2013 at 1,631.38. A year ago it was 1,278.18 (+353: ~28% ). Dow Jones went from 12,101.46 to 15,177.54 (+3076: ~25%) in the same time span. An investment in index shares in either of them would have had a return of roughly 25%.*

Rather close, it would seem, to the overall discount as calculated by Hulksmash above (27.5%).

In a very real sense, once the opportunity cost of paying so far in advance is taken into account, if one were to buy an even distribution of items there is practically no discount at all.

*Of course, past performance is no guarantee of future returns. An argument that would seem to cut both ways with regards to a kickstarter campaign, heh.

I think you're spot on Buzzsaw.

As of right now, since the pledges have been 'freed up', it makes sense to concentrate on the 'best deals', if they happen to also fit in your chosen faction.

Given the somewhat chunky nature of the initial Kurganovas (WIPs only, of course!), I'm now not sure on which faction I really want.

I could pick and choose with Kurgas and Jailbirds, but the Iron Empire isn't really appealing to me.

Still, a long way to go and I'm really looking forward to more Mech reveals, and the bikes... and the snipers... and...!

I am interested in parts of all factions, so many interest me.

The Kurganova troops seem off because on the render the torso is only 2 heads but I feel its perspective issue, I do not think they would release a 1/2/3 proportioned model.

So how about that local sports team of interest?

Seriously, guys, let's all take a deep breath and calm down for a second. There's no reason for any of us to be attacking anyone else. Everyone's in this thread for the same reason; we all want the Kickstarter to go well. I'm sure that no one on Dakka would be so crass as to troll a thread like this deliberately trying to get backers to abandon the campaign. While we may dislike some of the business practices (I don't, but what do I know?) or some of the Kickstarter related decisions, or even some of the minis, (heck, I'm pretty much ignoring one entire faction!) we're all here because we want this company to do well.

There's no reason for us to turn on one another. (There'll be plenty of time to resort to cannibalism later.) It's obvious that some people are very critical, in the name of providing assistance by pointing out weak points in the business plan here. Others feel that this criticism in so public a forum is actually detrimental to the cause rather than helpful, and should thus be fact-checked, argued against, and otherwise scrutinized. Both sides are working towards the same goal, though.

I don't think this is a situation where either side is going to prevail over the other, so we should all keep in mind that arguments only serve a purpose when they are capable of exerting influence. If you aren't willing to let your opponent change your mind, then there's no point in even reading what they have to say, much less responding to it. If you've already made your point, then anyone who would have listened to you will have already done so, and arguing about it only serves to diminish your own credibility.

TL;DR - Let's all try to be a little more civil to one another. We're all friends here.

Well pending on some shifts at work I had to pull my pledge, ended up buying a new rifle to kit build over the summer to get psyched up for gunsmithing school, but a couple extra shifts and I can probably get back in.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Well pending on some shifts at work I had to pull my pledge, ended up buying a new rifle to kit build over the summer to get psyched up for gunsmithing school, but a couple extra shifts and I can probably get back in.

A little OT, but what did you pick up?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:


10$ hero models are 40%
15$ hero models are 17%
20$ hero models are 20%

15$ troops are 25% for jailbirds 17% for the others
20$ troops are 20% for the Lulus 16% for the others

15$ artillery are 30%
15$ bikes are 25%
30$ mecha are 17%

40% off is only if you select heavily on a single category other discounts are less, but my point is:

On the majority of the cases the retailer discount will be better or the same (snip)

Is that a fact? If I recall, they make other stuff that's on the market right now, right? Those disco pose commisars, the 2 naked elf princesses, the DE lady, that demon baby, the topless dark elves... right?

Are there retailers right now selling those things for a minimum of 17% off, an average of (and yes I added those all together up there) 22.7% off, and in some cases in excess of 30 to 40% off? LIke, can you put in an order right now on some site? Honest question, I don't know the answer, but I think this hypothesis can be answered today, instead of waiting a year.

 Alpharius wrote:
Still, a long way to go and I'm really looking forward to more Mech reveals, and the bikes... and the snipers... and...!

I'm a real sucker for both so I know what you mean, and I've always liked the penitent engine so anything that has echoes of it is intriguing to me.

The same with snipers despite the fact the only game I could fit these into is 40k, and I already have wayyy more snipers then I can use. Of course, these seem to be a lot nicer looking.


Also, it looks like we're $400 from unlocking:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Well pending on some shifts at work I had to pull my pledge, ended up buying a new rifle to kit build over the summer to get psyched up for gunsmithing school, but a couple extra shifts and I can probably get back in.

A little OT, but what did you pick up?

I'll PM you with details Buzzsaw

 Ouze wrote:
Is that a fact? If I recall, they make other stuff that's on the market right now, right? Those disco pose commisars, the 2 naked elf princesses, the DE lady, that demon baby, the topless dark elves... right?

Are there retailers right now selling those things for a minimum of 17% off, an average of (and yes I added those all together up there) 22.7% off, and in some cases in excess of 30 to 40% off? LIke, can you put in an order right now on some site? Honest question, I don't know the answer, but I think this hypothesis can be answered today, instead of waiting a year.

As a matter of fact, and in response to Kroot also, you can search Raging Heroes own website for a list of retailers.

A simple Google search on those shops showed I can get pretty much anything that Raging Heroes makes, right now, for 20% off.

 Ouze wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:


10$ hero models are 40%
15$ hero models are 17%
20$ hero models are 20%

15$ troops are 25% for jailbirds 17% for the others
20$ troops are 20% for the Lulus 16% for the others

15$ artillery are 30%
15$ bikes are 25%
30$ mecha are 17%

40% off is only if you select heavily on a single category other discounts are less, but my point is:

On the majority of the cases the retailer discount will be better or the same (snip)

Is that a fact? If I recall, they make other stuff that's on the market right now, right? Those disco pose commisars, the 2 naked elf princesses, the DE lady, that demon baby, the topless dark elves... right?

Are there retailers right now selling those things for a minimum of 17% off, and in some cases in excess of 30 to 40% off? LIke, can you put in an order right now on some site? Honest question, I don't know the answer, but I think this hypothesis can be answered today, instead of waiting a year.

This seems an odd question to ask. Right now RH is barely a presence on the scene, one can only presume that they will be much more after this... it is in fact one of the consistent goals put forward by the heralds.

Assuming that these lines are eventually stocked by retailers such as the Warstore, do you have a reason to believe they will not be subject to the regular discount?

This is not to say we ought not take a gamble on the deeper discounts, but, again, as I pointed out above, anything less then a 25% discount at this great length of time is, in a sense, not discounted at all. Heh, in fact, the items that have the least discount, the 17% discounts, would be more profitably bought when they come to market (assuming they keep to their deadlines) at full retail.

Something to consider: the longer the date of delivery from the payment, the less the discount. Until, at a certain point for each discount, you actually are paying more then retail.


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 TalonZahn wrote:
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As a matter of fact, and in response to Kroot also, you can search Raging Heroes own website for a list of retailers.

A simple Google search on those shops showed I can get pretty much anything that Raging Heroes makes, right now, for 20% off.

Heh, and it appears I didn't need to even hypothesize.

Not everything and not from everywhere though, both battlefield Berlin and firestorm for example sell at the RH RRP and CMON sells at more than RRP, but there are other stores, that been said and that is important, the average "I don't know them, looks cool" backer will take for granted the usual 20% off RRP that is so common nowadays.

 Ouze wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:


10$ hero models are 40%
15$ hero models are 17%
20$ hero models are 20%

15$ troops are 25% for jailbirds 17% for the others
20$ troops are 20% for the Lulus 16% for the others

15$ artillery are 30%
15$ bikes are 25%
30$ mecha are 17%

40% off is only if you select heavily on a single category other discounts are less, but my point is:

On the majority of the cases the retailer discount will be better or the same (snip)

Is that a fact? If I recall, they make other stuff that's on the market right now, right? Those disco pose commisars, the 2 naked elf princesses, the DE lady, that demon baby, the topless dark elves... right?

Are there retailers right now selling those things for a minimum of 17% off, an average of (and yes I added those all together up there) 22.7% off, and in some cases in excess of 30 to 40% off? LIke, can you put in an order right now on some site? Honest question, I don't know the answer, but I think this hypothesis can be answered today, instead of waiting a year.

Fantization Miniatures carries Raging Heroes and offer discounts up to 20% if you hit a certain purchase level ($250+) and periodically run sales with flat discounts (Memorial Day was the most recent).

They have carried the product line for months, yet their site still says everything is on pre-order. I have contacted them to get clarification on whether or not they have anything in stock and will update this post when I receive an answer.

For anyone interested: http://www.fantization.com/Raging_Heroes.aspx

Total Wargamer is the only shop (I can find) in the UK who offer 20% discount.

Oh, and again, just make my position clear so there is no mistake.

I have a thousand dollars, right here, to spend on this KS. I want this KS to succeed and get better.

If they want that money, they need to convince me to hand it over.

They haven't convinced me yet.

The point is, people can find them at discount, so something must be done to make them look better, I am against lowering the price, it could have a negative effect, so something else could be used, extra models, extra parts, BOGOF, something else?

The freebies could work, but they need to be showing more of it.. also as I noted in the comments, more kickstarter exclusives, even if they go down the 'movie/book' inspired characters route, so not ones they need to worry over the fact they won't be doing any more of after it is all produced/shipped.

Those Kurganovas look pretty decent.

Can't wait to put them in with my Cadians... that's the only downside with this project. I've downed all my tools regarding Imperial Guard for the rest of the year, because I don't want to half paint, move around troopers into other squads when they turn up.

Good job I've got plenty of other things to keep me busy.

$330k...

my normal discount retailer is The War Store, who don't carry RH...
i just ordered Skaarlys (or Snarls, as she's called in my house since my girlfriend read the name wrong) from CMON...
she was $19.99, metal, and totally worth it...
the detail is incredible, and painted up as a Lady Malys stand-in she should sell...

makes the Kickstarter prices seem pretty good, though...

cheers
jah

Saxon wrote:
Total Wargamer is the only shop (I can find) in the UK who offer 20% discount.

Given past comments on (and personal experience with) Total Wargamer the 20% discount may be tempting but something ordered now might not turn up until the KS stuff ships direct anyway. They've had serious issues filling even basic orders this year, so not really an option unless they improve stock levels / set customer expectations appropriately.

Back to the actual topic at hand though, maybe now that we've had the $330k SG unlocked we can see what's coming after the mecha and whether or not we're set for a range of $10k spread SGs or if the mecha was a one off.

@jah-joshua: http://www.thewarstore.com/RagingHeroes.html

Couldn't find how to navigate there on the website, but I googled raging heroes warstore and they have a section for them! More than half the stuff is sold out though

This is an interesting underexposed good evolution http://bit.ly/13q6tUI

 recruittons wrote:
@jah-joshua: http://www.thewarstore.com/RagingHeroes.html

Couldn't find how to navigate there on the website, but I googled raging heroes warstore and they have a section for them! More than half the stuff is sold out though

RH is only listed under "Fantasy Miniatures" despite having all the Sci-Fi ones there as well. Not sure why that is, but that's why it looks like the WarStore doesn't carry them.

I look forward to Neal getting some in stock after the KS and snagging some characters.

Loud'n Raging (9 minutes ago) wrote:
I'm working on a cool update now...

any minute now

Here are some images of that Skyraa figure painted. She comes with many different arm options, all of which are very good. The left over pieces were actually used to convert some of my Dark Eldar Kabal warriors!

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2013/05/skaryaa-blood-mistress-from-raging.html

 Minx wrote:

Loud'n Raging (9 minutes ago) wrote:
I'm working on a cool update now...

any minute now

I'll look forwards to reading it with my coffee in the morning

But slightly more seriously, their updates are getting better, both time and content wise.

prankster wrote:
But slightly more seriously, their updates are getting better, both time and content wise.

That's my impression as well and i hope we get at least a (partial) unveiling of the mystery $350k mini.

Remember when talking about discounts you also have to factor in the free stuff you get with some pledge levels (KS exclusives & extra heroines

Lieutenant: $15
Commander: $25
Captain: $35
Major: $45
Colonel: $75
General $105

if somebody wants to factor these numbers into the discounts above